Any intellectual brahs out there?

doctors are seen as pretty intellectual where i come from

I study comp eng but don't know how posting a pic is relevant.

I'm a "business" major so I've always viewed engineers as really smart. Are you saying that's not true? Those dudes have to take full sequence calculus, different equators, linear algebra, 3 years physic, all that.

Law with Criminology student here.
The course is difficult as fuck but no one sees us as intellectuals, more like greedy cunts.

Regardless Law school is second when it comes to qts, Business/Marketing being the first.
>tfw school of business students throw a party
MUH DICK

I've got friends that are top of their class, interviewed with all the top business firms. They told me there is never a shortage super model-like qts in all those firms...and something tells me it isn't because of great interpersonal skills and 3.9 GPAs

>Get Stem degree
>Get big af
>????
>Winning

STEM is not intellectual. Anyone can learn math and logical thinking. True intellectuals are economists, analysts, artists, musicologists etc.

There are intelligent people and stupid people in every field, I imagine. As long as someone is motivated to learn something, the only thing that matters is putting in the time to understand whatever it is.
t. Engineer

Also, I'm hating how people are throwing around the word intellectual -- it doesn't mean smart, it means someone interest in things regarding intellect like reading, chess, classical music, etc. Fuck intellectuals.

This guy is right on the money.

>seen
That's the whole point, everyone thinks that since medicine is co competitive it's extremely difficult. When it's literally stamp collection tier. Average IQ is around 110 compared to math/physic degree which is around 130.

Just take a look at Veeky Forums, engineers are pretty much considered as a joke and a baby science.
Here's an example for how they are viewed:

Oh, is the professor a mathematician? I love stories about mathematicians teaching courses for non-mathematicians (non-mathematician, synonym of brainlet).

I have one too.

In the past the mathematics department taught calculus classes to ALL the engineers. Some were soft, but my Calc 3 professor is now in the history books for how he would fuck them over. His course is incredibly hard, even for mathematicians but for mathematicians he has a near 100% pass rate as we all can figure out a way through. But why is he in the history books? Because almost every fucking engineer would fail his class many times. He was Trump's wall and engineers were mexicans. But it had a sad ending. This made the administration very concerned about mathematicians teaching outside of their department and after many attempts to call out this Calc 3 professor to make him dumb down his shit, the administration popped. Now the engineering departments has their own calculus professor for all levels. Calc I, II and III taught by engineers.

Fucking amazing, what a legend. And from what I know from my engineer friends, this happens:

>No definition of limits
>Barely any work with limits
>No definition of the integral
>Barely any series
>Calc 3 mixes calculus and linear algebra, dumbing down both as they have no full linear algebra course so they have to cover all they can in calc 3.
>50% of the engineering students STILL fail.

The guy is famous. I wish to be like him in the future but now they don't let mathematicians teach engineers lol. Maybe if I find another university to teach at I could do it.

You'd love the business calc class I had to take then.

They squeezed in parts of Calc 1, 2, and 3 in one semester. We started with limits, then derivatives, then definite/indefinite integrals, then partial derivatives. I had no idea what I was doing and used Wolfram Alpha for more than 90% of our assignments. My professor has a Masters in Applied Physics from Cal-Tech so he'd always remind us that the way we're doing things wasn't the correct way.

>economists

Lol

Also upper level mathematics like analysis and algebra is mostly abstract thinking.

Lol no, thanks for the laugh though.

Give me an example where doctors use hard logic? It's all memorization and nothing more.

>no limits

And I thought engineering was for tough people. Jesus.

You think your doctor remembers every presentation and diagnosis? Ofc not, they collect your history and work out the most likely diagnosis through logical reasoning

These shows how unconnected with society are math majors, since they think engineers are stupid lol, probably think the rest of the society is brain retarded

I had to deal with really stupid people in my work and hobby, and I would easily choose an engineer as a intelligent guy compared with the rest 99.99% of society seriously

So using common sense is an intense logical process?
Compare them to mathematicians or physicists which blow them out of the water when talking about intellectual depth.

>Engineer is still intellectual as fuck

engineers round pi to 3

it's basically applied applied maths

the only engineers I respect are electrical engineers because they're basically engineers who also need to know a decent amount of high level math

t. physics phd

These threads*

I'm a grad student in financial engineering and I'm pretty fit

engineers, truly the master race

Yes, middle-school tier logical reasoning plus memorization

Well you can go only as deep as the subject field allows you to, clearly there's a limit with human physiology and disease pathology however to say it is common sense is pretty ignorant. But I'll take your hit, medicine is not nearly as difficult as people make it out to be.

Engineers are usually more well rounded, most engineers have a lot of hobbies and then of be jack of all trades people

Math and Physics majors usually jump in these threads to make themselves feel better about their very specific set of skills, usually play chess and do powerlifting with really shitty form and look dyel

I'm a pharmacist. Do I get any love?

Oh man, sucks to be you.

and tend to be *

true, but doctors, at least surgeons but certainly to a lesser extent many other kinds, must have a pretty fucking intense skill level to do what they do. i think that as respectable as deep reasoning

also, anesthesiologists x-ray engineers and shit like that must have to do a lot of calculating and critical thinking

Say it to my face.

Faggy elitism

Math isn't some magical skill only fit for mathematician

Math feels like your studying grammer

Engineers are practical
Abstract mathematical theories get annoying when all you want to do is design some robots and bridges.

>gets a PhD in engineering
>all the while maintaining a succesful modelling career
>90% of Veeky Forums thats easy as shit lmao

fuck you have against classical music, dog
some of the most beautiful shit in the world right there

100% this. Medicine is full of average people who work insanely hard.

> pretty fucking intense skill level to do what they do
You've basically described every job.

> to do a lot of calculating
Wtf does that even mean.

>Abstract mathematical theories get annoying when all you want to do is design some robots
and bridges.
brainlet detected

>Math feels like your studying grammer
I see that you haven't studied either

>Abstract mathematical theories get annoying when all you want to do is design some robots and bridges.
enjoy building bridges that fall down and robots that don't work because you can't solve a simple ODE

>Math feels like your studying grammer
>I see that you haven't studied either

o shit

few med school rejects in this thread kek

b8

>You've basically described every job.
cutting and sewing the flesh of a living creature with incredible precision is certainly not what i would describe as ordinary

Nigga, you better learn to solve PDEs numerically with FEA or Finite Difference.

You might as well do philosophy
You're so superior

>with incredible precision
It's basically carpentry. Cardiac and neurosurgeons are the only respectable ones. Those are physical skills though, and not intellectual ones.
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>You must be fun at parties
>>>facebook

Dude, our Mathematics department taught out engineering calc.

Yeah, the work is different. But we have to solve real actual problems... not make some new mathematical theory in our careers.

Although I did take a Graduate level Partial diff eq course for my Mech eng Masters - like what the graduate math students take, and it was just proving and showing shit, hardly any real problem solving... mainly because of the nature of the subject.

Got a B in it though...

how's the job market?

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Departments/Courses rivalry is one of the dumbest shit that you can stumble upon in college. Had a teacher like that and he was the bitterest guy I ever knew. Good life goal there.

>claims to be physics PhD
>doesn't even round pi to 3
>somehow gets quads anyway

>In the past the mathematics department taught calculus classes to ALL the engineers
If you go to a school where the math department isn't teaching the engineering department or comp sci department or all other STEM departments their math, you went to a shit school.

I can't even think of a halfway decent school where this is not the case.

I went to a school where the math program was considered to be one of the top ten most rigorous programs in the country (US, so probably about the top 15 in the world), and every single regular math course for all the STEM people were taught by the same professors, same classes (e.g. you could have DiffE where a third of the room were engineering, a third physics, a third math majors; although most likely it was like 75% a mix of eng/CS and 25% a mix of all other STEM).

Likewise with physics classes, etc.

The only department that got special ed. math at my particular school was probably architecture.

>tfw cs major math minor making over $10k per month interning

I'm guessing this cuck doesn't even make six figures

Well I'm a uni student with a 4.0 GPA but a

You are actually retarded.

Also, you are extra special retarded for thinking EE's "need to know a decent amount of high level math." Yes, my focus did use PDE's pretty often (RF/microwave/optics in EE), but I took the same exact math classes as practically every STEM major: up to DiffE with Lin Alg. It's not that special.

Did education go to shit in the last few years or something? Because I see a lot of you retards claiming so much shit that just was not the case in any school I can think of.

Then again, all you retards are still in school.

I was Human Intelligence for 6 years in the US Army and at this point speak 5 languages, several more if you count different dialects of Arabic individually. Unfortunately, I have a pretty high hairline. I was born with it and it's not receding, but it still brings me great shame.

Dude what sort've shit school did you go to?

I go to a top 5 Engineering school and a top 20 Math/Physics school and honestly Math/Physics classes were the ones where I improved my GPA. I think I had a 3.4ish on engineering classes and a 3.8ish on Math/Physics classes.

I strongly considered changing majors(and I still do sometimes think about it) because it was so easy.

Kek

What's your work/specialisation like? Would you recommend it?

t. Electrical Engineering student

Neuro isn't that hard either.
Every field of medicine... Rather Every discipline and field of study are easy when it is all you do.
If you are that concerned with "knowing more" or " look at me im smurter bc my work is hharder" then your issue may not like in the field but in the inadequcies of oneself.

But what do I know I'm just some dumb pre-med who's never gonna do anything beyond General Science that's needed to get into med school.

Reguardless, I know in some way, shape or form, we're all gonna make it.

>different equators

economics is a joke, they try to act like meteorologists, but they're even more inaccurate.

>tfw BS in chem eng and applied math
>tfw master in finance
>tfw best of both worlds
>tfw Veeky Forums was the real trojan horse all along and /pol was just a whipping boy

what?

what joke of a school did you go to?

there were no "engineering" math classes here, calc I, II, III, diffeq, and lin alg was taken by math majors and eng majors in the same room

>No definition of limits
>Barely any work with limits
>No definition of the integral
>Barely any series

again, what joke of a school did you go to?

this, any decent school will have this arrangement

my math requirements were definitely much easier than my engineering classes at that time, not due to the material itself but because the pacing/workload is much more reasonable

almost believable until musicologists

>tfw BS in chem eng

AYYYYYYYYY

First person I've met who does Chemical Engineering.

What do you work as? I do contract work for Oil & Gas companies. Thinking about leaving it since it's a lot of traveling.

You get your masters immediately after college?

One year out from a PhD in math. By then I'll hit 1/2/3/4, only started lifting a year ago.

Im almost done with my BS in geophysics.

>Teacher is proud that he fails students because he thinks math> everything
Good life goal.

Hate people like this. Math should be taught as easy as possible. No point in learning a theorem or a proof or "by the book" when structured equations + examples can teach you so much more. Get off your high horse faggot.

Engineering isn't difficult? Is that why its one of the biggest majors that most people switch out of and the lowest % of people obtaining that degree?

>tfw I make math memes for Veeky Forums even though I'm just a physicist

>Phd in physics

LOL Youre even more useless

How does it feel eating lunch and doing work at the same time in hopes of making deadlines so a small percentage of people can read your shitty findings that will probably be overturned in the near foreseeable future?

You guys are usually well paid and work great hours. Tbh would love to have a stable job like yours plus i bet a lot of cuties as well.

People just salty in this thread because they think a master degree will earn them a fuck ton of money when in reality it will on get them a mediocre desk job that will be 10x more stressfull than when they were sucking their professors cock and doing their errands

>somebody does something
>"haha how does it feel that your thing is useless xdd"

but I don't do any of those things

i'm glad there's someone autistic enough to do this stuff

LOL ODEs and PDEs aren't abstract at all nice projection m8. Shits basic calcuations once you learn the steps.

Theoretical Linear Algebra and actual theoretical class are complete ass and aren't used by the general public when constructing structures or robots.

>differential equations and linear algebra
Third world country here, we take those subjects in 3rd semester, you have nothing to boast about.

Filthy fucking casual.

actually I can relate to this
>be empowered spic in engineering major
>go to tutoring for a math class
>someone else is doing trig, and getting help with it
>I overheard the tutor say "sorry, I can't help in this part, I'm engineer, not mathmatician."
>wot.jpeg
>"let me ask a mathmatician for this haha"
I check the schedule of the tutors, and there was about 1 mathmatician, and the rest were eng-related majors

still rustles my jimmies

>Actually lives in a third world country

Go put some slices of banana on your rice you fucking peasant.

B-but hes right user a phd in physics is pretty useless

>3rd semester
...who calls the first semester of their second year their third semester?

Anyways DiffEQ is really easy in terms of math classes.

Application in the real world is extremely difficult and knowledge of CS/Math engines become necessary almost immediately.

Plus since he's an EE I assume he does Fourier Series analysis with Linear Algebra. Which is difficult.

I always found math classes kind've a joke but the real world applications are tough as shit.

This

Most of the time the examples youre given in class are almost perfect examples that are easy and easy to work with. In real life its nothing close to that and thats why we use computers.

Basically learn everything the hard way, grind fucking through it and if you ever need it in life just plug into a program. GG

yes you do

I can't. I literally cannot compete with intelligent male models, because I'm neither highly intelligent or good-looking.

Reminded of a conference I went to
>be at IGC special topics conference
>full of experimentalists as well as engineers
>be presenting about classification of topological defects and the QHE in Graphene
>talk of manifolds come up
>segue into exotic R4 and its connection to the geometrization conjecture as an aside
>an engineer in the audience raises his hands: "But user, how do we visualize 4-dimensional space?"
>I said "That's simple. Just visualize an n-dimensional space and set n = 4."
>entire audience laughed, including the engineer that asked the question
>he invited me out to dinner later
>talked and drank until midnight
>turned out that any engineer worth their salt could take the piss out of themselves and are not so insecure that they'd be triggered by comments on the internet
>mfw this realization

How old are you?

yeah my program went straight into it. I'm oil and gas too (gulf coast master race) but I may jump into chemical investment trading for the mad monetary gains if it doesn't require me to move

>tfw have to take all the chemistry and all the math that the pleb eng majors have to
>tfw have to do statics that mech does and circuits that elec does
>tfw lumped into engineering meme anyway

26. Why?

Though so

Yeah youre not fit. Wrong board old man.
>

Why are you projecting so hard user? Who hurt you?

implying im wrong m8