Attraction and body

I don't get it. When I am in great shape I have a hard time with women. But when I let myself slide into average territory I get alot more attention. The only thing I can think of is because women see me as beneath them so they can control? Whats the deal?

It's because women aren't as visual as us.

Women like to be "the pretty one" in the relationship. And since they aren't going to get their skinnyfat ass down to the gym to outdo a guy who actually exercises and eats right, they wait for him to slide a little until he's no longer the hot one. Basic bitches, anyway.

wtf does this meme mean

reps for jesus

but still, why would it make a diff. then?

Personally as a Huy I know that I don't bother that much with girls who I think are way out of my league, even if they show a bit of attraction towards me.

Maybe this is happening to you but on the grill's side?

This is the correct answer

user you are stressed hedging all bets on your body when you should in fact be focusing interacting and being real with the girl

In good shape:
>not good enough socially/mentally for high tier women
>too good physically for low tier women

Not in good shape:
>not too good physically for low tier women

guys look at girls and like them based off looks more than girls do, and girls like guys for other reasons appearently

If you're too ottermode 90% of girls will think they'll never be able to keep you and that you'll reverse-cuck them.

Woah

>reverse-cuck them
kekerino

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Can confirm this.
This kinda works in the opposite direction for me as im a dude.
I mean today is a different story because im jacked, but a few years ago when i used to be skinny and ugly, i would never ever have any slight interest in those perfect 9/10 qt + hot girls. I mean i was aware they were hot, but i never had any interest in them, and the few crushes i had were average 5-6/10 girls.

And recently i noticed, the better looking i get, the more interest i have for really hot woman.

Obviously there are always exceptions but yeah i think lot of girls feel like this too.

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Girls are intimidated by jacked men. Believe it or not, while they are mirin and attracted in silent, they are too intimated by a muscular guy to ever just go up to him and start talking. I used to have so much more female friends and female attention when i was skinny and ugly.
Now you might think
>why not stay skinny and ugly then
Because all this attention was just that; attention. They were just friends, they liked me and hanged out with me, but nothing beyond that.
Now that im jacked, i have less female friends, but everytime i hang around with a female, it always ends up in dates or sex or whatever.

Girls are mostly attracted by the way you act desu

(You)

I found that when I was younger, I was far less concerned about my appearance. My haircut was shit, my glasses were ugly, but I had a youthful confidence thanks to ignorance and time to kill. I wasn't concerned about the future and I was able to live in the moment. When I was like that, I had lots of girls like me thanks to being charismatic and confident.

Nowadays, I look a lot better all around, but my confidence has dropped due to reading and realising how dumb I was in the past, and now I doubt myself in the present. I still get attention, but I've never been able to seal the deal with any girl that has a shred of respect for herself.

To sum it up, I pretty much changed from right brain to left brain and lost some drawing power.

can relate, I think overthinking is the main culprit here

Checked

It's hard to find the balance of being smart and not over thinking.

I know this feel to well user

Chad here

I think a lot of you are just autist to be completely honest. I get alot of attention and some girls have leveled with me and basically summed it up to this ( already knew btw)

> Face is 9/10
>dress nice
>smell nice
>Confidence shows

Alot of you dumb shits are probably pretty attractive but have 0 awareness when girls are actually showing attention and dropping hints.

>when girls are actually showing attention and dropping hints.
enlighten us

Whenever the fuck I l'm even a little bit invested in a girl from the beginning nothing happens with her. Why the fuck is that? I don't even act needy when I'm around girls like that. I like them but I act in the logical way and don't let the feelings get the best out of me. I play my A game.

On the other side, when I'm like whatever with girls then everything happens.

WHY?

your probably trying to hard you dingus...you just answered your own question.

they why do all of them constantly go for chads who are much more attractive if this is true?

lets start with this...do work at a job that has alot of girls or are you ever in a situation with a lot of girls around? Work is the easiest place depending on the type of job.

Because you start to become the man woman wanna fuck but don't want to date.

A good physique increases your raw sexual value, much like that one chick you know with a smoking bod. Would you date her? Or would you rather fuck her.

Women are insecure as fuck btw, hence "wanting to be the pretty one" and all this dadbod bullshit. It's pathetic and the calling card of a low value, low self esteem women.

Expect these women to be all over you when alcohol is consumed and they become more low inhibition.

Don't listen to that bullshit. Period.

I'm not. That's where the problem is. When I'm around them I act in the same way I act around the girls I don't really care about. I text them in the same way. I just think about them much more when I'm not doing anything compared to girls I don't really care about.

Girls get turned on by status and confidence this is why they jerk off to 50 shades of grey rather than pretty boy porn where the focus is on a super attractive male actor

Ok so are you making it CLEAR that you are attracted to them or interested? You need to plant that seen in their head that it could POSSIBLY go somewhere.

Yeah, I flirt with all girls. I throw compliment to girls I want to have something with (both to girls I really like and girls I'm "meh" about). I text them and try to set up a date. When I make a move on a girls that I like nothing usually happens while girls I don't really care about go crazy about me. wtf man.

>When I make a move on a girls that I like

they either reject the date itself or date goes nowhere. And I can guarantee that I act the same way around them and girls I'm indifferent. I can do it because I'm autist like all of you and I can hide my emotions and act normal. It seems like they can sense that I like them and think about them a lot and it turns them off or I don't know.

Well it sounds like your on the right track honestly. The difference between you and me is I KNOW if she is into me WAY before any date happens. Are these girls that you are into showing CLEAR interest in you?

I'm at college but computer science is a sausage fest

I also can sense if the girl is into me and something could happen with great accuracy.

>Are these girls that you are into showing CLEAR interest in you?

Now that I think about it, not really. They give me their number and we text a little bit and maybe even flirt a bit. But to say they're clear into me... not really. Wow, mindfuck. New perspective. Okay, so let me change my question.

Why are the girls that I'm into not into me? And girls that I'm whatever into me? Should I just fugg them even if they don't like me. It really turns me off when I know the girls is too into me. Idk why. Fucking paradox.

>Should I just fugg them even if they don't like me

CORRECTION: Should I just fugg them even if I don't like them.

Yep this. Whenever I see someone with a great physique and while I do admire their body, I don't stare and drool all over the place. Actually, I look away almost instantly.

That's the way of the game man. Girls your not into will be up your ass until the end of time. The whole phone number thing is pretty basic, ive seen some ugly dudes get numbers.

As far as the girls not into you...i mean its possible that they are out of your league or you are just completely fucking up the text game.

>As far as the girls not into you...i mean its possible that they are out of your league or you are just completely fucking up the text game.

probably latter, i hate texting because girl can interpret things I write the way she wants them to. that's why i avoid texting too much and try to get a date with her and I use texting mainly for setting up dates. So my texts go like this.

I chat a little bit and turn topic to date, I suggest time and place and most of the girls always say they don't have time that day or agree and then come up with an excuse on the day of date and want to move it. The next time I text them in few days I push for the date again. Maybe it looks needy and turns them off?

I'm glad I chat with u, great introspection man.

>Thinks he's a chad
>can't even form a coherent sentence

So lets switch it up now. I know you dont like to text but spend more time texting them so that they can feel you out. You never know, they maybe nervous about hanging out with someone that they dont know that well yet. Unfortunately texting is the way of the world now ESPECIALLY for girls.

Were gunna make it bro

good one bro

What do you text about usually? Which vibe do you give off? Flirty, normal, friendly?

I usually open with some joke or something and than talk a bit and push for a date.

>do work at a job that has alot of girls

No sorry I don't do a FAGS profession. I work on a farm where there's no bitches to be found unless it's sorting fruit because doing exercise is too hard for females.

>Girls are mostly attracted by the way you act desu

Start with casual and work into flirting. You will get a very clear picture of what she is thinking once you drop some compliments. Dont go full autist on how drop dead gorgeous she is but small things like the way she dresses. Lets be real...they dont dress the way they do and do their make up for no fucking reason.

I had this problem as well.

When I was dyel I had women lined up, fighting each other. When I started lifting, women immediately began making these rash judgments about me. They all seem to think I'm egotistical or whatever. However, once I started juicing, it has changed back to women becoming more interested. There may be an in-between phase when lifting.

kek i have the same conundrum

when i was leaned out for the summer girls wouldn't even give me a second glance. come fall i went on a dirty bulk and ballooned up to 240, was litearlly wearing sweat pants 24/7 because they were the only thing that fit me, and girls would eyefuck me anywhere i went.

i did exactly that with last chick and we were texting late at night and i asked her why isnt she sleeping? what about the good night sleep?

she said that yeah she should be going to sleep early but she can't make herself do so

i said: if u ask me it doesnt seem like u dont get your beauty sleep

she said: haha well thanks:) and then soon went to sleep

not really enthusiastic, am i right???

Sorry, didn't mean to offend you.

I like this philosophy.

Basically if you don't lift it shows you aren't really working towards bettering yourself, so you won't pressure a spouse into doing the same.

Before you've "made it" you are showing a desire to improve yourself and if the girl doesn't believe the same it's a turn off. If they believe the same they might already be out of your league (because you didn't start believing it the same time etc) so you have to make it to reach the next level of women that actually care about bettering themselves.

they were looking at you in disgust...

Did you ever talk to her again?

>girl would eyefuck me anywhere i went

lol ok

i did, in few days i asked her for the date for the 2nd time (1st time she agreed but couldn't make it due to legit reason and recommended we postpone). so when i asked her for the 2nd date, we first chatted for a bit, then i asked her for date and when is she free this week.

she didn't reply for day and half.

after that she said that she didn't think it would be like that and that she thinks i see things in different light and she thinks it's fair to tell me that she has been seeing someone for some time now while it's nothing serious she likes him. and she thinks it's better we don't meet up at all and she hopes im not mad.

i replied that i appreciate the honesty and that i like her and as i'm man of action i always try to move things foreward and show my intentions, but i didn't know she's seeing someone. i said that im not mad at all. then i wished her luck for college and said that if she ever wants nice company she has my number.

i think she made up the guy tbf (she needed 1.5 days to respond, probably her gf gave this stupid excuse to make)

idk where i fucked up and what to do with this girl now? what would u do brah? i will see her in college in 2 days and i was thinking about saying that i don't like to keep things like that in texts (because things can be misinterpreted) and that i think it's good if we talk about face to face, then i'd say that i wanted to invite her for the date to get to know her better, while im not searching for a serious thing right now (i like to be honest with girls) i'm never rulling it off if right girls come. then i'd say i'm telling her all of this because i don't want to have awkward situations at college with avoiding eye contacts in the hull and weird vibes going on.

whatcha thing, should i talk to her on monday and tell her what i wrote rn?

thanks for help brah

Nah man...on to the fucking next. She's making this whole thing difficult. Dude you are in COLLEGE. There is so much ass walking around that she should just be in the past now. Do you got to parties at all? What you need to do is start doing this with 3-4 girls at a time. Texting, flirting then SMASHHH.

i'm going to parties, i can hook up at almost every party i want but i'm not really into ONS desu.

i really liked this girl and i wanna know where i fucked up to not repeat this situation with the next one. if you feel me.

i like to keep things cool all the time that's why i wanted talk to her in person. i showed texts to my sis and she told me that she thinks that girl just wanted to fuck and i came off like i wanted realtionship with all this date talk and scared her off. if thats the case AND if i tell her in person what i wrote u maybe she will see that she misunderstood me and we will still smash.

u got skype or anything bro? u seem like a chill dude and i'd like to have ur contact.

Considering where we are I don't expect my opinions on this to get much traction, but I don't believe most women value a fit body all that much. And the ones it does attract are usually immature or shallow.
A healthy and active social life will do so much more than a toned body. Not saying it doesn't matter at all, just nowhere near what most guys expect. Still, you see and hear about guys getting girls after they got fit all the time. My opinion on that is that getting fit gave them the confidence to put themselves out there more. Also, getting fit usually means you start dressing better as well, which I think has a much bigger impact on first impressions than a toned body unless you're at the beach or something.

Yea bro, drop your contact info. I would put mine but has my name.

You can try to talk to her in person but dont be to pushy or she'll just be bugged out. Sometimes you gotta quit while your ahead.

shiet mine has name too, i will set up 10minute fake mail and if u send it to this email in time i will be able to see it and add you on skype. what u say?

[email protected]

post your body user, I need to see

>Thinking girls value intelligence AT ALL apart from its ability to let them leech more money off you

good one bro

women love a "smart man" because it makes them feel like there's somebody to guide them & give them the answers.

that doesn't mean STEM smart memorizing equations, that's more like thinking psychology students are smart because they have more 'insight' and can 'understand me'.

I'm described as good-looking a lot, and while I am flirty, I can never pull the trigger with women.

I think the memes about looks not mattering are really true.

STEM smart isn't memorizing equations, it's understanding them

cool, point is women don't view that as smart.

smart is a different world perspective and having a unique way to view things.

it's why women find psuedo-intellectual spiritual faggots as 'interesting' and 'captivating'.

you could graduate cum laude from harvard with any STEM and a woman would not care more than if you graduated community with a bachelor in psych.

the only thing the woman would find impressive is the harvard part because it's status.

>you could graduate cum laude from harvard with any STEM and a woman would not care more than if you graduated community with a bachelor in psych.

im all for sluthate but this is just stupid.

Women know the difference between STEM and Arts degrees mate

sure, do they care? nope.

that's not shit talking women, they just don't value it like you do, much like they value things you don't.

>the sheer amount of pathetic justification in this thread

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that people on here are "too ugly for girls". If you work out, you're already a step above most men, and the only thing holding you back is yourself. If a girl seems interested in you, why don't you just fucking ask her?

Reflecting on my entire life I can't think of a single time I've heard a woman be enthused about a man graduating with a chem/bio/engineering degree. It's usually just "oh .. ok .. so you like chemicals then? that's .. interesting".

Law/Business/Med is a bit different.

This

STEM isn't respected even though it's much higher echelon than retarded law and business degrees.

From my experience in this world, women view it like this:

-Business
-Law
-Athletics
-STEM maybe, only if they themselves are in STEM
-Everything else

When in reality it's like this
-STEM
-Everything else

STEM is a massive category and there's shit tier STEM majors but you get the point.

Yea women don't like STEM because they don't understand it. Even if they are a STEM major they don't understand shit. They just pull the "I'm a woman in STEM xD help me please" then 50 thirsty men go and do all of her work for her.

This statement shows me that you're probably a retarded person, who only talks to other retarded people.

This

Any girl with even a modicum of intelligence knows the difference between majors, and how valuable certain degrees are.

>Law/Business/Med is a bit different.
I'll agree with Law/Med because those are respected, but a business degree? Are you serious? I'm sure girls swoon over that $35k annual starting salary...

t. highschooler

You're gunna get fucking cucked at some point in your life by a girl that's way fucking smarter than you.

Women don't care about the annual salary, that's the point.

No woman here's the degree and thinks "oh its worth X money per annum"

They hear the degree and think "what man do I associate that degree to"

Female detected

I'm actually a graduating senior in EE, the pinnacle of STEM. I can't help but roll my eyes at the idea that women in STEM are oppressed. They are sucked up to by every male in the major.

they understand the difference they just don't respect it the same way you do. that's the point.

Ummm he's right?

Source: I majored in a STEM field

The 3 girls in every class always had a big posse of about 5 orbiters who helped her with everything

This isn't exaggerration, it's real

Disagree, even the most humble girls take annual salary into consideration. I'm against the whole "all girls are gold diggers meme", but any generally intelligent college age girl will treat an engineer different than a graphic comm major. There's something to be said about girls treating guys different based on the major, but to say that they don't consider and know salaries is ridiculous.

They don't understand the difference, they literally don't

They don't care about reality, science, math, how things really are - they care about how things appear to be, society, sociology, our bullshit hierarchical respect structures based on archaic bullshit

Women hold society back by continuing to value alpha jocks. Alpha jocks are not inherently superior in any way except in that they attract more women. Women's sexual selection preferences have not kept up to date with society

Most women value a degree in literature or history from {prestigious university} over a degree in physics or math from {good state university} because they don't get it

They focus on buzzwords, on memes like "Business majors aren't idiots"

they don't value salary because they're not men, no woman has ever gone "oh well this degree is worth 35k upfront with a scaling 5k every 1 year of experience .. hmm but his degree is 65k but with very little vertical grwoth .. hmm who do I fuck".

they hear the degree and think about the man behind the degree

doctor? handsome, tall, compassionate, smart, would treat me well.

business man? suits, aggressive, dominating, successful

you don't seem to understand female psychology, they do not think like men.

it's neither good or bad, but again, they don't think like you do.

you need more experience with women bro or you're in for a world of hurt once you start playing with them.

I don't think it's a matter of thinking females think like you and I - betas don't treat women like they do men.

They just adopt a failing strategy of seduction - beta provider. It doesn't work.

This man gets it.

Junior CPE major here, which is arguably more valuable than EE because I can do everything you do but I can also program. However, I see your point. Girls are definitely sucked up to in our majors, however not all girls want that attention nor need that attention nor warrant that attention. Most of the attention they get is from fucking mouth breathing basement dwellers who have never seen a real girl.

I found though that in higher level classes, no one really cares, because to get to those classes you need to be actually smart, and most basement dwellers are not. I've heard that Computer Science classes are a lot fucking worse about that though.

I guess, but you could say that about any person with any major. I know the exact difference between MechE, ChemE, EE, CPE, and BioE, but the only reason I appreciate it is because I'm in that major. It's not a probably specifically centralized to girls. My non-engineer friends don't understand it either. Just like I don't really appreciate the difference between Finance and Economics.

It doesn't matter, finance and economics are both shit tier majors

Anyone who really wants to get into finance or economics gets a math or physics degree

Now you're just being ignorant.

Thanks for the autistic projection on my sexual life, but I never said that women extrapolate fucking salary numbers in their head like that. I said that most girls consider in general how well you would be able to support them given your degree's reputation. And even that is a little iffy. A sane women is not weighing whether or not you can support them in life the second they hear your major, but they will respect majors that stereotypically make a lot of money more than those that don't. Usually that goes hand in hand with how hard that major is, because that's why those majors make more.

>>>Confidence shows
I never really understood this. I have good self esteem but I'm reserved and quiet, so I don't really know how to do it.

ok, not reading your post as it's clear you've become angry and emotional so it's not worth my time.

you just need more experience, you have a very insulated and mono-didatic understanding of human thought. specifically, you only understand male thought.

so you don't understand the opposite gender, that's fine, but don't act like you're somehow above needing to understand it or that somebody telling you that there is a difference is somehow an autistic (ironic as its more autistic to not understand the differences).

i recommend you go out and talk & listen to women, come to understand how they view things, if you do that it'll help your sex life & romantic life immensely.

anyway, your next post will likely involve you doubling down on your meme rant so I'm not going to continue this discussion.

goodbye.

I mean there's something to be said about really good accountants and economics majors. You make stupid money if you're smart enough to land a job at Goldman Sachs, etc. However most of those jobs, just like in law, are basically given to Ivy League students. Same thing for Actuaries too, however I feel like actuaries will cease to exist in about 20 years due to quantum computers and better trading/insurance algorithms.

Accountants and economics majors are not the ones making a shitload of money at Goldman Sachs. They're the people who have masters or PhDs in Statistics, Mathematics, or Computer Science (with a machine learning focus).

Hey man I'm just sitting on my couch watching college basketball, but I don't really see what you're argument here is... You've just been making unfair ad-hom's. Perhaps you're right, calling you autistic was the wrong term to use. What I've actually been seeing is an arrogant, grandiose sense of self, which is indicative of you being a psychopath. So I wanna change my answer to that.

"Male thought"

You act as if there's some legitimate dichotomy and there is value in both halves, as opposed to the truth - that one half is mentally ill due to their lack of exposure to the real world and real struggles because they are coddled by males their whole lives

My best friend's brother went to MIT, and he used to tell us that his Econ friends who killed all their classes were making 7 figures at GS at like 25 years old. So I guess that's really where my knowledge about the subject is coming from. I'm an engineer so I have no idea.

This thread got way way off topic though...

type of degree is not the only reason people land those jobs

people with masters and phds usually make more money than people without them

He's right you pathetic social autists. Looks help, especially in club settings, but personality is king.

t. ugly as fuck

Maybe if that's investment banking, but have fun working those hours and sucking everyones cock.

The only value that came from his undergrad degree was the status from MIT, which is enough for investment banking. Econ majors are unprepared for a quant/trader careers.

t. someone with no background in quantitative finance

fuck manlets, DIE