So Veeky Forums, why aren't you hittin the needle yet?

because everyone knows that when you start juicing you magically make muscle, lose all your fat and can just fuck around in gym for an hour while eating what ever you want

I start my cycle April 4th when I move out of my parents' house.

Medical care is cheap as fuck here I've just been a degenerate NEET and haven't had any issues that have warrented a portion of my $, but yeah I'll get everything sorted this year, that's my main focus.

Also from what I understand the test itself is cheap as fuck but it's the PCT and sterilizing gear that costs the most, looking at around 600$ for a 10 week cycle of around 500mg test-e

sometimes i think this is what natties actually believe

I'm 18 and getting on gear this summer

>$600
That shit better be pharmaceutical grade

where the fuck do you live retard.

4/5 vials of test e = 100-200 bucks
Nolvadex = 50 bucks
Needles + pads + alcohol = 45 bucks.

Aren't you afraid of not having kids down the line?
Also fucking up your natural test level?
Growth plate fusing(this one isn't problem to me, i am 6'3, but it doesn't hurt to grow couple of centimeters more)

couple reasons lad

1-no money
2-no knowledge of substances
3-no source (cali)
4-no doctor for monthly testing
5-to much autism

new zealand and I haven't actually looked into prices yet this is just a ballpark figure I've been given.

>to much autism

confirmed not autism, I'm not autistic and this triggered me

Because I'm not competing atm nor making money off of my body, plus my ego isn't so fragile that I need to roid just to feel big and impress guys on an anonymous, fitness-oriented, homo-erotic image board. Seriously, if you roid for the sake of it just to "look good"/be strong af yet you aren't competing or anything then you're beyond pathetic.

No money atm, but will be looking into it when my situation clears up a bit. Not sure I want to roid though, gotta do the research first.

>Aren't you afraid of not having kids down the line?
What is hcg
>Also fucking up your natural test level?
What is hcg?
>Growth plate fusing(this one isn't problem to me, i am 6'3, but it doesn't hurt to grow couple of centimeters more)
Don't take hgh.

>NZ

rofl good luck. You might have some luck on international vendors but NZ is as buttight as australia in that regard.

It is true

Question for the professionals: ever tried plugging? Anabolic suppositories? Yay/nay?

roid users are like that annoying brazilian kid using wallhack+aimbot in online fps

I'm not the guy you are talking to but I'll answer some of these questions being that I'm a 19 year old roider.

>I personally do not have any desire to ever have children. Mainly due to the fact that I've had a shitty life struggling with severe depression and confidence issues until recently and wouldn't want to bring another person into the world and have them feel the way I have. With that said, stopping the gear and using HCG, many men are fertile again within 6 months to a year.

>Natural test levels tend to come back actually. It just takes about a year some times. I personally am just going to always run a TRT dose and never come off.

>I'm 6'2" and if anything wish I was 2" shorter so again, not an issue.

Also, steroids have improved my life dramatically. Now that I look good, I have tons of confidence which has allowed me to escape depression. I now have a high paying job, friends, a house, and two cars. Still working on the GF thing. But for 19, I'm feeling fucking awesome.

>Needed to roid just to get all that.

Truly pathetic. It's good to know that people like you are willingly killing off your sub-par genepool.

Dunno, even hardcore roiders tell me to wait till i am atleast 20-21 to start taking roids.

Hard to get, very expensive. Overall not worth it.

>"You're still young, you can make good gains while you're still in puberty kiddo".

but good luck to you senpai..

Never listen to the fags on this board. You need to realize that the majority of people on here are either social autists, betas, or ego lifters. Even pros are constantly preaching about how if you're 18, you shouldn't be roiding. If you aren't competing or making money off your body, you shouldn't be roiding.

>Inb4 "muh bodi muh choice"
Yeah, your choice, but I wouldn't recommend getting your info from the fags on here. Just know that on here, a majority of the people you're interacting with have a few loose screws.

This
Also.
Be aware that roid shills do indeed exist and post here.
They make themselves obvious when the do things such as minimize or deny the fact that your body will cease to ever produce normal test levels ever again after most cycles.
You will likely need test forever.
Don't even get me started on side effects and the risk of getting poisonous Chinese crap (which you can't test for).
Use critical thinking lads.

To be honest i am not any better, there's reason why i am here anyway.
I would've started roiding if it weren't for my dying mother, i promised her she will have grandkids and she promised me she'll be alive to take care of them. I've met people who gone sterile because of roids and they left really good impression on me.

>They make themselves obvious when the do things such as minimize or deny the fact that your body will cease to ever produce normal test levels ever again after most cycles

Got any sources on this?

>bro, dude, literally why not use roids? It's so000 easy! Just take some of this and use it twice as much as some of this and then take some of that to negate the side effects of this and be sure to get your doctor to check if you're developing some of this from that and make sure you never take this if you take that and don't ever use this even if you take that and always be sure that you take some of this when you stop using that but only if you didn't use this for the side effects of that and remember when taking this that you use half as much that and if your body does this you need more that. Only retards fuck it up lol XD!

Sure.
Convention.
You got any sources that i'm wrong, shill?

M8, if you wanna roid then do your own research and don't be swayed by the literal shills on here who just want more people to roid with them so that they can feel better among company. Take your time researching, and if it comes down to it make sure your source is reliable and not some Chink, poison or mislabeled shit. If you're 18 then you're still growing and it has already been proven time and time again that if a teen roids it'll fuck up their overall growth. You need to take a hard look at yourself and ask "Do I need to roid? Will roiding REALLY help me reach my goals? Do I plan on competing? Am I just interested in picking up girls?" Etc, etc. I don't know you but I care for your wellbeing. Just be careful.

Not a shill and never done it, but everything I've ever read has said that if you're smart about your cycles and follow your bloodwork the correct PCT and assure you have no lasting effects like this. It just seems like a pretty important revelation you've just stated so some back up would be great as it could weigh pretty heavily on me ever doing test.

Injecting testosterone doesn't fuse your growth plates, the excess estrogen the testosterone converts to fuses the growth plates.

Using an AI effectively remedies this, wonder why some kids who start early keep growing.

People keep misusing it without any knowledge and give it a bad rep.

If you've been browsing for more than three years you won't need a source. This shit is right in front of you. And if you actually know people who compete and don't just roid for their ego you'll know that a lot of shit that is posted on here by roid shills is just downright misinformation.

I enjoy lifting, but it does not define my life so I dont see the need to go on gear.

Already have a gf, and girls come up to me in clubs and tell me I'm gorgeous.

lol, don't let me stop you from playing scientist on yourself. It's only an endocrine system. They all basically work the same way for everyone, right?
there's no reason you won't be as success story.
I'm sure all the men with breasts and 5% natural test levels were just being way more dumb than you will be.

The tone of your posts make you seem like you have an agenda and strong bias towards juicing. Gonna need some sources to take you serious sorry.

You're right. We're dumb. Go needle up.

Again condescending, rude, arrogant, and judgemental in everything you say, if you genuinely cared about people not fucking themselves up why would you post like this? I'm outright saying I haven't juiced and am not a shill but I'm highly considering it.

I think you're full of shit and DYEL and you need to post proof otherwise you're filtered.

The first post you listed isn't even me. Idc if you roid, I care that you do your own research and not take everything on here as fact. You need to be aware that you're on Veeky Forums of all places. You need to be aware of the kinda people you're interacting with (very unlikely that the person telling you that roiding is A-Okay and that "as long as you're smart, you won't fuck up lol" is a professional bodybuilder who competes in Olympia), and you need to know what it is that you REALLY want and whether you need roids to get there. You don't need roids to fix your shitty confidence levels and low self-esteem. You don't need roids to help with body dysmorphia (it makes it worse). You don't need roids to get a job or a gf, etc. MY OPINION is that you DO need roids to compete or if your job requires you to roid (male stripper, IG "fitness model", porn, etc).

Forgot the pic.
>Inb4 photoshop

It's a game of chance AT BEST. You can do all the prepping in the world and still get it wrong because you have a unique body. You are not a scientist and don't know what to monitor or how to properly assess things. I doubt you even know how to properly measure liquid in a syringe (it's not as easy as you think). My job is make people aware that disnfo shills exist. Once you know that, I no longer feel sorry for you if you ruin your body. Yea, lots of people roid and get lucky and tell you about it.
Do you think the people that fuck up post their stories as often?
Sources are a reflection of what is possible IN A LAB.

>properly measure liquid in a syringe
so you fucking load 1ml of your 1ml/250mg test e.
What does it fucking matter if its actually 0.9 or 1.1ml?

Also just get bloodworks done you retard, enough frauds here actually go to an endocrinologist or just a doctor in general for checkups.

>22.22% difference
>"What does it fucking matter"
Shills, everybody.

>OH WOW I MUST HAVE MISTAKENLY INJECTED 270MG TODAY AND NOW MY TEST LEVELS ARE 2700NG/DL INSTEAD OF 2500NG/DL WOE ME I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO

you're actually fucking retarded and I want you to fucking leave this place forever.

you're actually a fucking drug dealer and I want you to fucking leave this place forever.

Oh man i fucking wish dude

It's not my body that's growing, it's science that's growing. It's lazy, and there's no real point. You get results faster? Okay, but you're just a liar, and anyone who doesn't take steroids (which is like 99% of the population) will think you're an idiot. I understand steroids in sports, because they're people born without true talent, skill, and athleticism, and they want to make lots of money. I don't understand steroids outside of professional activities, because you're just a fucking liar.

Well, actually, the pro athletes roiding (in sports where roids help) would still be the best in the world at what they do had they not. They start roiding once they can beat all natties at their sport to edge each other out.
The rest of your post is legit.
Just trying to be helpful.

Here is the problem you are ignorant. Lets not even get into the "quality" of street drugs.

Well it is actually a huge difference.
225MG vs 275MG injection which is 50MG or 20% or about a 300ng/dl give or take difference in the first 1/2 life.

Also the younger you are the more risky this type of behavior actually is.

just putting aside enough money to buy a full cycle, pct and anti estrogen. Veeky Forums was right, I seriously just had to ask one of the big dudes at my gym.

wait until your 25 at least, ride that teen test while you can.

>quality of street drugs
wowie labmax exists.
>300ng/dl difference matters
You're not doing TRT, you're blasting. 300ng/dl is not gonna matter one single fuck. You're AI dosage basically stays the same.

what if you have autism and homegym? should I wait outside a gym for a big guy to walk up and ask him?

>c-can I b-buy some st-steroids ?

google reddit sst

> this is what natty lifters believe

Kek

I don't know. When I think of roiding athletes, I think of Ryan Braun, who went from NL MVP on steroids to literally shit off steroids.

Well you never make test at the same level you did before you roided after the fact. You can recover and maybe (if you get lucky) get close but test levels will be impaired to some degree forever.
I don't know who that is though.

what you're forgetting is just being in the majors puts your in the elite category. Sure he hit .220 or whatever, but being able to do that at major league level is still mindblowing and better than 99.9% of natty baseball players.

It makes a huge difference and all the science says so. The balance point of positive vs negative both in long term and short term effects is around 125MG and generally speaking anything beyond 200MG is supraphysical and gets exponentially more dangerous.

Your an idiot and your dangerous.

Again can you post a source of this? and is this why it's best to wait till you're late 20s/30s to cycle because your test is already downhill?

Bitch, this isn't esoteric shit. There are sources confirming this on exotic and confounding websites like Steroid dot fucking com.
Stuff contradicting it exists in droves as well, mostly in the form of testimonies.
Pick your poison.

You really haven't researched this at all.

I'm done talking to you, if you seriously think a TRT dose which is not even going to boost you past supraphysical levels unless you are already high-test, then you're retarded. There aren't gonna be any more risks to being 1500ng/dl or 4500ng/dl besides estrogen conversion.

Besides its "you're".

Not the OP, but start here once read then read some of its reference material. The risks are real ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2646607/

Prostate risks.
>"This conclusion is congruent with recent endocrinological reports arguing that there is no adequate scientific basis for the long-held belief that testosterone stimulates prostate cancer to grow"

Permanent suppression
>"thus when a “cycle” of AAS is stopped, male users will often become temporarily hypogonadal. Although HPT function usually recovers spontaneously within a few weeks to a few months, the authors have encountered several men where hypogonadism persisted for more than a year after discontinuing AAS, and several recent published reports have documented post-AAS hypogonadism of similar duration"

So, prostate risks are a meme. Permanent suppression is a meme.

Cardiovascular problems are real though, which is why you shouldn't blast and cruise for absurd long times.

This guy claims he gained 35 lb running just test and deca for six months, then held onto all of his gains after stopping everything for a year (with no pct).

What do?

youtube.com/watch?v=JM4gjX2sk1k

Its possible, everyone's different. Maybe his HPTA is just strong af.

200MG is the upper end of TRT with the exception of hyper metabilizers.

200MG is generally around 800ng/dl post injection by week 8 given the 1/2 life of T pre injection the person will be ~800ish add 800ng/dl and they peak at 1600 and spend the majority of the next 7 days past 1000 is supraphyssicolgical. Oh also this totally bypasses the circadian rhythm of T as an added bonus.

Please continue I can make you look like an idiot all week.

I don’t care what you do, but understand it and don’t lie about it especially to others.

Those on that far end are simply on a medically supervised cycle.

Cheers man will read, I'm trying to stay impartial to juicing and just figure out the facts before I pull the trigger.

Yes, because stopping before the end is the intelligent thing to do. Its also intelligent to not read the source documents. Because the gym bros know best.

Taking these drugs outside direct medical supervision is reckless and dangerous.

>t. delusional natty

>"Accumulating evidence suggests that long-term use of supraphysiologic doses of AAS may have adverse effects on a number of organ systems, leading to both medical and psychiatric pathology. Importantly, accumulating evidence suggests that some of these effects may persist long after last AAS exposure. However, the frequency and severity of AAS-induced morbidity and mortality is still poorly understood"

This whole fucking science article only has 100% proof on cardiovascular risks and all the rest is "We don't know for sure, there have been some suggestions/correlations but well AAS are too new to know"

I don't personally care if you juice or not. Just be aware it is not without risks. Whatever you do make sure you have a DR who is aware of what you are doing and has experience with dealing with abusers of Anabolics.

>I know people who compete so I don't need sources to backup my claims

Lol, this is bait, right?

Because my balls are already too fucking small

My job drug tests which is gay as fuck

>balls size change
>possible erectile dysfunction and Infertility
>man tits
>anger issues
Yeah no thanks.

haha, triggered /frauds/, it doesn't matter at all, normies will always know that you pin your ass to success

I recommend lifting at least 5 to 6 years before pinning your ass

Why? because it shows that you won't drop lifting after a while

Consider this: you start pinning at your first year, you grow out of lifting after 4 years, you want to do some other sport or cardio, you don't give a fuck... But now you already fucked up your body so you can't drop lifting at all

>balls shrink
so what? better dick to ball ratio, friendo.
>possible ED and infertility
not if you cycle properly
>man tits
not if you does AI properly
>anger issues
roid rage is not a real thing, people who get aggressive were just already cunts to begin with and are more-so cunts because theyre 30lbs heavier now

1. Lack of money for a full cycle, related meds for post-cycle (e.g. anti-estrogen), and the increased food bill.
2. Lack of a domestic and trusted source
3. Generally lack of knowledge of optimal training while on roids (e.g. do I go back to a beginner program like SS but take out the rest days? Do I keep doing an an advanced program but cut out the rest days? Do I shift days into AM/PM splits by that I mean PPL isn't done over three days but two mornings and one evening). Genuinely interested on this point if anyone with this knowledge can chime in.
4. I am closeish to my predicted natty max based on my wrist and ankle size (I am off by ~15 lbs). I am hoping to get the difference down to a single digit prior to an steroid use.
5. I have advanced strength standards in all of my compound lifts, albeit some of them are just barely over. I would like have all of my lifts at an elite level following my first cycle so I want to improve my strength a bit more so that is more likely.

I need a connect

but I do play darts

They drug test for roids? I doubt it.

All I need is Fight Milk

no connection

Ausfag here, ANZACS get vials about 90 each, but nolva is only like 8 bucks from a doctor and equipment is free from ATODS or whatever they call it in NZ (just go in say you're starting juice and they'll give you a steroid pack of 40 19 gauge and 40 23 gauge with barrels, wipes and the medical bin for used needles), so for a 10 week cycle at 500mg test e (the standard first course) its around 200 bucks.

Wait for 21 man, but you'll be able to have kids don't worry

because i don't know how to acquire the devil's protein in the first place

Well thats good to hear, you'll just naturally have to learn how to turn down meth when trying to source your test, shits easier to get than weed these days.

>roiders so fucking stupid they can't tell blatant satire
Holy shit

Also the sterile shit is people who used to blast for 4 years straight and then stop cold turkey, HCG and pct are important and fix your test back to normal ranges.
Never do a half assed pct, all the horror stories and reasons test is frowned upon is because dumb cunts run a g a week at 18 then hop off cold turkey and fry their shit up.