Almost 2 weeks into no fap

Penguins, horses, dolphins, and squirrels, elephants, ferrets are not animals?

So if animals can't make complicated tools then humans making them is unnatural?

>he spent time looking for animals who masturbate to justify masturbating
>that list

Do you see how ridiculous you look right now?

>horses
>mfw

>the point

>your head

>was wrong
>"c-can't fact check me, or you're lame"
I have no stake in this, but you should learn how to argue. A big part is not making baseless claims.

Keep going. There will be ups and downs in your mood but the ups and downs get higher each time (source: anecdotal and pic related)

Gonna post some anecdotal evidence collected from anons

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*Ignore the nazi imagery lmao*

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Doing god's work user

>lower libido due to no fap
>Worried about test levels
Maybe dont do nofap

[citation needed]

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Animal wildlife have mating cycles, something humans havent needed since we could build stuff to Ward off the elements so we didnt have to base our reproduction behind it

And some animal species do have sex without the intent for offspring (seals fucking pinguïns)

So dont comparere the two, but if you do get your facts straight

>After seven to ten days your test will actually begin to drop off
I believe this too, however the study that found that was a shitty Chinese one yet to be replicated. Also the number of androgen receptors you have and their sensitivity plays a big part in the effects of testosterone.

See here

>And some animal species do have sex without the intent for offspring (seals fucking pinguïns)

What does this have to do with the post you're referring to?

Learn to comprehend what's being discussed before providing any input.

>4 minute difference in posts
Keep pretending you dont lack common knowledge

Animals cant masturbate like humans cause no thumbs so for animals the next closest thing to masturbation is fucking something without the intent to breed

If I ask you what 1+1 is do you need step by step explaining on that too you unimaginitive twat?

lmao. The level of broscience in this thread. Hilarious.

don't you dare fap, it's the worse thing, when you break up your streak, no alpha ever faps, get out your mind, if you can't resist your weak, i'm being serious, prove to yourself that you can control yourself, once you learned to master that, you can do anything.

don't you dare, don't be another deer from a herd be a tiger.

nice try t-rex

>day 3 of NoFemdom

I miss it so much.

>no alpha ever faps
Everyone faps

i never understood nofap, what if i fuck my girlfriend every night, are you saying thats a bad thing?

are you saying that you think sex and masturbating are the same?

>high test pics encouraged for test boosting purposes:
If you want to naturally increase test, eat more meat/protein, sleep more, work out more/harder than you already do, have more sex and fap more
>No fap is a meme
>no animal in wildlife masturbates.
Except they do
>masturbation is abnormal.
No it's not. It's completely normal and healthy and demonizing it with pseudoscience is retarded.
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html?zx=5c392185e96536fa
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation#Health_effects
>europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
>webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
>urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
>frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
>m.joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/52/1/51.short
>answers.webmd.com/answers/5004889/what-nutrients-do-you-lose-when-ejaculating-or-masterbating-do-you-lose-testerone-
>healthtap.com/user_questions/1294935-how-long-does-your-body-take-to-replace-the-nutrients-lost-by-masturbation

Whats the difference, you just blow a load.

well the process is differen butt the end result is the same

>those sources

Yeah let's take life advice from a website called ''chaosandpain'' fucking hebrew

Not really. There are a lot of other senses and chemicals involved in sex. Nofap is primarily done so people will make an effort to get sex. You can masturbate all you want, dude. As long as it doesn't fuck with the rest of your life

>Yeah let's take life advice from a website called ''chaosandpain'' fucking hebrew
>Yeah let's not read any of what he posted and provide no actual argument because "blog lolz"

>cuckold can't stop fapping and resorts to making a blog about it to reassure himself that his habit is good for him

Neuroendocrinology is incredibly complex and anyone claiming to have proven or debunked something without numerous replicated studies is a complete pseud. Abstaining from fapping probably won't give me cancer but your shitty, meme-y blog just did.

>screencap
>my (((psychology professor who specialises in psychology of sexuality))) and remians to be (((anonymous))) (I wonder why)
>no sources whatsoever, everything based on claims of the (((professor)))
>all the links you linked either link to anecdotal evidences of literally whos, prove nothing or just say about the 30% less chance prostate cancer (the prostate cancer is THE ONLY real argument the fappers have)
Basically your entire post can't even debunk any of the major claims nofapers make (such as nofap allowing the release of testosterone to your blood)
You know, most of the people who just responded in the thread just posted insults, or other short posts. It was clear that they tried nofap in the past but didn't succeed
Your post however is carefully and fanatically constructed, as if YOU'RE PAID TO POST THIS, nobody would make a post like that on a topic like this based on a pure enthusiasm

You jews ruined this fucking board, nofap was a general in the past, but you managed to purge it entirely
Porn and Women rot your brain (Neuroplasticity 101, especially porn)
Fap doesn't allow the testosterone to pour into your blood and control groups of nofappers show fantastic improvements in both mental and physical health

>have more sex and fap more to increase test
top kek. But do you realize that the test would BE USELESS because your organism blocks the access of the testosterone to your blood since you ejaculated recently (and if you ejaculate every 1-3 days YOU NEVER EXPERIENCED THE EFFECTS, MAYBE SINCE THE FIRST TIME YOU CAME, you are stuck in a different state of health)
>Nofap is primarily done so people will make an effort to get sex.
Not true, I visit various nofap communities and people view sex as a mean of reproduction there mostly, they do it mainly for mental and physical health, women only help with mental help though.

Also, just lmao at the blatant advertising on your blog for your super male vitality:

>The scent of fear mingles with respect as you stalk through your iron hunting ground. Your single-minded focus on your weighty prey pushes the realization that the gaze of dozens follows your every step to the back of your mind. A feral grin stretches across your face as the weak cower amongst the cardio machines to escape your path.

In your iron jungle, you are at the top of the food chain

Weaker animals shall bow in fear and reverence before you

You are the ultimate Predator!!

To unleash your ultimate predatory instincts, you have to eat like a predator! Apex predators, sitting atop the food chain, fear nothing... and they fear a loaf of bread least of all. Stop acting like a simpering [expletive deleted] who wets their pants in fear when entering a pastry shop start using Cannibal Predator to unleash your full potential!

autist

I've seen this guy around a few times I think, it's really retarded how much he tries to defend choking the chicken.

>Abstaining from fapping probably won't give me cancer
>During 480831 person-years, 3839 men were diagnosed with PCa. Ejaculation frequency at age 40–49 yr was positively associated with age-standardized body mass index, physical activity, divorce, history of sexually transmitted infections, and consumption of total calories and alcohol. Prostate-specific antigen (PSA) test utilization by 2008, number of PSA tests, and frequency of prostate biopsy were similar across frequency categories. In multivariable analyses, the hazard ratio for PCa incidence for ≥21 compared to 4–7 ejaculations per month was 0.81 (95% confidence interval [CI] 0.72–0.92; pIn a large prospective study with long-term follow-up, men who reported more frequent ejaculation in adulthood had a lower risk of total incidence of prostate cancer. Ejaculation frequency represents a potentially modifiable risk factor for prostate cancer.

>chaosandpain.blogspot.com
Holy shit, I'm having so much fun reading this right now. This guy is honestly retarded, he's like a stereotypical high school drama football player with 70 IQ
He fucking listed dopamine as a good thing, saying that it improves mood and gives pain pressure and adviced to FAP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE
>For those guys, who like me, want kids like they want AIDS, there's more good news with this type of a compulsive fucking/masturbating scheme- your sperm count drops like a motherfucker (to about 27% of norm). That means (though I'm not endorsing this) you can go bareback without the bare facts and not worry quite so much.(Freund)
If you want to be even considered to be taken seriously then remove links to that blog completely, or at least not put it on the very top of your links.
Thanks for the laughs though

What's retarded is how much you and people on this board try to pseudoscientifically demonize something completely healthy and normal

>correlation = causation
Kill self
Have you thought that the reason some people weren't masturbating in age 40-49 were not because they didn't want to but almost surely because they aged too early and/or had other health problems which prevented them from masturbating and the cause of the cancer was their already existing health problems that had the nofap as a symptom and not the nofap?
Also the cancer rates among healthy people are way lower, I'm not an average person, and I hope most of the board isn't as well, the statistics are completely different among people who care about their health and don't have manboobs.

>Ejaculation frequency at age 40–49 yr was positively associated with (good things) and negatively with (bad things)
>The main cause of people not being able to ejaculate at age 40-49 is Erectile dysfunction
>The main cause of erectile dysfunction is ejaculating too much in your younger years
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET DISEASES THAT COME BECAUSE OF NOFAP, THEN DO NOFAP, THIS IS NOT A PARADOX

CHECK
FUCKING
MATE

All no fap does is lower your standards. Have fun fucking a whale.

well tiped

>Everyone faps
It's a jewish meme, also a logical fallacy. "Everyone" eats candies and watches TV series, that doesn't mean I should do the retarded thing just like "everyone"
Look up research on control groups of people who abstain, these people do exist, and they will make you nofap too

how much is too much then?

If you don't want to go hardcore nofap then just have a 3+ days of a nofap window once in a while and normally don't fap unless you really want to (e.g. "I'm bored, oh, I can fap to fix that" is bad, "I want to fap, I'll fap" is ok)
And if your balls hurt/penis doesn't go fully hard/the fapping sessions go for 15+ minutes/semen is not fully white and thick, or even worse is just white liquid then you DO have a problem
Just google about erectile dysfunction

There are wierd ways to guarantee an ED too, such as tight pants/underwear or riding a bike (the seat smashes your balls)

>correlation = causation
>Kill self
Except it isn't and you don't have have any right to go on about me killing myself if you're still trying to go down his line of argumentation or keep claiming fappings the devil.
They did this study, the most recent of it's kind and published December last year, with diffirering variabldiffering variables and across age ranges with tens years of additional study and still found lower risk of prostate cancer along with the fact that
>Associations were driven by low-risk disease, were similar when restricted to a PSA-screened cohort, and were unlikely to be explained by competing causes of death.
There's no argument here. And if you want to prove that jacking's it's the devil so badly let me know when no fap has anything like this that can conclusively debunk this study as well as the ten years of additional work that went into it, and all the other scientific research that says fapping's fine for you
>The main cause of erectile dysfunction is ejaculating too much in your younger years
Except fapping is inversely related to ED, and has been successfully used to treat it, The act of cumming by itself is also associated with health benefits. You haven't check mated anyone.
Just fap as much as you want to/reasonably can. You'll be fine

im new to nofap, but why do people care about test? if ur test is low, go get trt,

i fap a few times a week, im married with kids. i fuck a few times a week also.

if there are whole communities devoted to this, shouldnt there be enough data points to state some things definitively? i've i wanna boost my test, ill just roid. im already jacked. im not following any of this shit. im autistic as fuck (anti social) but i dont give a shit about that.

people here only lift to get a girl (in the best case),
you're a step above.

>but why do people care about test? if ur test is low, go get trt
>i've i wanna boost my test, ill just roid
Why waste time, money, needles and doctor's visits to fix something you could just fix on your own

Civilization is a zoo. You know how animals in captivity tend to act strange, and die earlier, and do weird shit? That's all of humanity. Masturbation is one of those weird things we do that we wouldn't do in our natural habitat.

Humans are pack apes, and we evolved from a group of apes that became Chimpanzees and bonobos. Our warlike behavior can be seen in apes, and our sex like behavior can be seen in bonobos.

Human nature is meant to be having lots of sex. Not as much as bonobos (go look them up, they bang each other all the time. They only pair they haven't observed banging were mothers and sons. Siblings, cousins, even old monkeys banging newborn ones happened).

Masturbation is caused by a lack of pussy. Sex releases a different set of hormones and chemicals than masturbation does. It'll never be sex. It can be done for a quick rush, but in general, when people don't have sex, it's because they were busy trying to find new food sources, or lost a pack and their source of pussy.

>Human beings, which are above animals

we aren't even close. Delusional idiots who think they are more than apes who can do math are by far the most animal-like and primal.

All standards are, are ways beta males convince themselves that they are choosing not to get laid.

If she's healthy, and can have babies, our evolutionary drive wants us to impregnate her. If your standards get in that way, it's because your too beta to get past the way other people will look at you if your banging people that society doesn't dictate are attractive.

A real man spreads his seed to the ends of the earth and back.

But the study is correlation=causation, this already renders it doctored, I already proved that it is false, in fact proving something with logic is even better than with other studies, logical fallacies are set in stone.
You just look at things like "10 years of study", tons of (irrelevant) misguiding statistics that don't directly link to conclusions and claim that it's true. That's propaganda 101 and big pharma among others use stuff like this constantly, even tricking the mind of the reader with the wording that you won't notice unless you pay close attention, assuming that you read scientific papers, and you kinda claimed that you did, then you should know this better than me (unless you're not analyzing what you read).
>fapping is inversely related to ED
Excess masturbation is the main cause of ED
>has been successfully used to treat it
Even if this is true it's not related to the discussion. We're not suffering from ED and thinking about curing it. And I didn't claim that nofap doesn't cause prostate cancer, it might cause it, I just objected your quote from a study that's 100% nonsense since it proves nothing.
>The act of cumming by itself is also associated with health benefits
Such as?
There are great health benefits associated with not cumming too, and right now they outweigh the only real benefit of cumming (30% less chance of prostate cancer) for me.

Ignore him, he probably got his fat sucked at the liposuctor instead of going on a diet
Thats the worst kind of a poster, he also bragged about a wife and kids, he's just a token living trope
I want to improve my mental health first and physical health second, really, I don't even care about the other things, and mental health is really important for me.
If being a 200kg lardmonster was the healthiest way to live I would become a 200kg lardmonster even if it would be considered beyond ugly.

Just to share my experience with no fap. I no fapped for around 4 or 5 months. During the end of this. I had sex with an escort.Then later I had sex with a girl from my work. After that didn't workout because she had a boyfriend. I continued and met a girl on okcupid. She was perfect person for me and I really love her. We got married been together two years now. She motivated me to go back to school and have goals in my life. Nofap really did help me but everyones experience is different of course

>demonize something that makes people treat other people as nothing but sacks of meats for their 5 seconds of pleasure, potentially severing the depth of connection they may have with others
Hmm, I wonder why people might think this is unhealthy.

>"10 years of study", tons of (irrelevant) misguiding
So literal years of study along with ten extra years of follow up, on the exact subject we're talking about is irrelevant and misguiding?
>unless you're not analyzing what you read
The one here that's doing that is you. Your claims the studies are doctored, false and any other variation thereof; do not hold up
>I just objected your quote from a study that's 100% nonsense since it proves nothing.
I'm having serious doubts now that you even read the study as well as any of what I first posted if you're going to claim iit's 100% nonsense and proves nothing
>Excess masturbation is the main cause of ED
No it's not
>Even if this is true
It is
>it's not related to the discussion.
Except it proved your claim that masturbation's the main cause of ED wrong
>We're not suffering from ED and thinking about curing it. And I didn't claim that nofap doesn't cause prostate cancer
>What is decreasing your risk, taking preventative measure's and also increasing your testosterone
>Such as?
They're clearly outlined in the links of my post
>There are great health benefits associated with not cumming too,and right now they outweigh the only real benefit of cumming (30% less chance of prostate cancer) for me.
No, there aren't. This complete bullshit. Also
>30% less chance of prostate cancer
Now you really have to be baiting

>that makes people treat other people as nothing but sacks of meats for their 5 seconds of pleasure, potentially severing the depth of connection they may have with others
>Implying there's no such thing as quitting porn
>Implying fapping as well as our need to get/off spread our genes even does any of this to the extent you claim, and implying these needs are "lower" or bad
>Implying not only that these happen to the extent you claim but these "terrible" effects wouldn't be even worse with sex
>Hmm, I wonder why people might think this is unhealthy.
Because they don't know what they're talking about and choose to believe old wives tails and pseudoscience over what fapping actually does and doesn't do

>So literal years of study along with ten extra years of follow up, on the exact subject we're talking about is irrelevant and misguiding?
You just proved my point that you don't analyze the papers. I can make a study for 50 years on any subject and not come to any reasonable conclusions. You're thinking exactly in the sheep mindset the propaganda masters want you to think, "10 years of study, hmm, should be reasonable then! How did they come to the conclusions of the study? Ah, I don't exactly know, but it sounds reasonable, and it's peer reviewed and a study took 10 years man!"
>Your claims the studies are doctored, false and any other variation thereof; do not hold up
>I'm having serious doubts now that you even read the study as well as any of what I first posted if you're going to claim iit's 100% nonsense and proves nothing
>No it's not
>It is
>Except it proved your claim that masturbation's the main cause of ED wrong
>They're clearly outlined in the links of my post
>No, there aren't. This complete bullshit.
>Now you really have to be baiting
I've never seen such an extreme use of a begging a question fallacy. You either make claims out of your ass without any proof whatsoever or say that "it's somewhere in the studies I linked"
If the study indeed proves everything you said then you're one of the worst presenters possible, just link the parts I need to read that support your claims

You are the same guy that writes those chaos and pain blogs aren't you.You spin shit and make up stuff like him too.user I'm being serious, fuck if nofap works or not, but this kind of behaviour is really unhealthy and you should stop if you want what's good for you.

bro im 205 probably 13% at 6'0' i have benched 345 and pulled 555. im not "bragging" about being married, how is that bragging? I'm qualifying the notion that I don't need no fap to go meet girls. This is all extremely stupid to me.

not jerking off will not remotely raise your test to anything resembling supraphysiological levels, obviously. not any more than getting a good night sleep. are all of yall really fucking retarded?

>Nofap really did help me

NO IT DIDN'T

PLACEBO

PLACEEEEEBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>You are the same guy that writes those chaos and pain blogs aren't you.
No
>You spin shit and make up stuff like him too.
Except I don't and none of what I posted is spinned or made up
>fuck if nofap works or not, but this kind of behaviour is really unhealthy and you should stop if you want what's good for you.
Considering science backs me up, nah not gonna do that
>not jerking off will not remotely raise your test to anything resembling supraphysiological levels, obviously. not any more than getting a good night sleep. are all of yall really fucking retarded?
I posted and agree with your statement, I also posted about increasing test here

Civilization is a DUEL YUGI-BOI. You know how DUEL MONSTERS in captivity tend to act strange, and die earlier, and do TOON shit? That's all of millennium PUZZLES . DUELING is one of those weird things we do that we wouldn't do in our natural habitat.

>Humans are pack FERAL IMPS, and we evolved from a group of IMPS that became 5 STAR DUELING MONSTERS and 6 STAR DUELING MONSTERS. Our warlike behavior can be seen in BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGONS, and our DUELING like behavior can be seen in 6 STAR MONSTERS.

Human nature is meant to be having lots of sex YUGI BOII. Not as much as IMPS (go look them up, they DUEL each other all the time. *SMIRKS* They only pair they haven't observed banging were DUELS MASTERS and YOU YUGI BOI. Siblings, cousins, even old DUELIST banging newborn ones happened).

DUELING is caused by a lack of pussy. SEX releases a different set of hormones and chemicals than masturbation does. It'll never be sex. It can be done for a quick rush, but in general, when people don't have sex, it's because they were busy trying to find new food sources, or lost a pack and their source of DUEL MONSTERS YUGI BOII.

>You are the same guy that writes those chaos and pain blogs aren't you.
No
>You spin shit and make up stuff like him too.
Except I don't and none of what I posted is spinned or made up
>fuck if nofap works or not, but this kind of behaviour is really unhealthy and you should stop if you want what's good for you.
Considering science backs me up, nah not gonna do that
>not jerking off will not remotely raise your test to anything resembling supraphysiological levels, obviously. not any more than getting a good night sleep. are all of yall really fucking retarded?
I posted and agree with your statement, I also posted about increasing test here*And speaking of increasing test, forgot to post the rest of the studies
>press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>anabolicmen.com/fats-and-testosterone/
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?m=1
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17520786

Animals in captivity routinely live 150% to 200% of their lifespan in the wild.

Masturbation is something that people often start doing as infants or toddlers, without cultural prompting (so to suggest that it's unnatural is ridiculous).

Human sexual behavior is nothing like in bonobo sexual behavior.

I'm not trying to say your overall point is wrong, but your establishing logic is built upon fallacy.

im reading ppls posts on reddit nofap, i feel like the shenanigans that ppl are posting about, like my high school girlfriend has left me so i'm not fapping anymore, i feel like en masse this undermines any type of logic. like i get that we should have logical debates and stuff, but what if you found out the person you were debating also thought the earth was flat or something. im brand new to these ideas and i feel pretty comfortable being totally dismissive by first impression.

Eventually when you do NoFap you will learn to cum Hands Free like me

Is something bothering you, my friend?

lol i just watched the first two episodes on netflix last night

Some apes do masturbate. Cats too. Animals in captivity do not generally die earlier. You sir are talking out of your ass.

Excessive masturbation is a terrible thing but saying "masturbation is unnatural" is flat out wrong.

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brainwashed christian morons like this are the only people pushing this shit

our closest relative (bonobo apes) jerk off constantly you inbred retard. I can tell you've never left you're trailer park, go to a zoo and you'll see literally every primate playing with it's junk

Rape is also ok in animal society, see where your logic is flawed?

Fuck off retard this is all lies, my shitty blog says you are a demonizing scum REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

On a serious note guys fuck what everyone says go for 3 months of nofap and see if it helps you or not it's this simple.

Fapping increaces your tolerance for dopamine and oxytocin, nofap doesn't make your mind feel more clear but increases your sensitivity to dopamine which makes situations like getting a smile from a pretty girl to cause a more intense dopamine rush and makes it feel more vidid.

But this is only if you're addicted to fapping and do it daily, if you fap once in a while I don't think it affects your mental state in meaningful way.

31 days here.
only changes i feel are not being horny, look down on people

>implying rape is wrong
>implying it's not been primary mode of procreation since beginning of time

the most alpha of my friends all fap
it's a good way to relax and fall asleep

So all the bald men throughout history is just because they jerked off a lot?

Don't believe that.

>You're thinking exactly in the sheep mindset the propaganda masters want you to think
I didn't know understanding how, biology and science work as well as scientifically understanding what masturbation and sex do or don't do, is thinking in a sheep mindset and believing propaganda masters
>Ah, I don't exactly know
Except you do know and it's right there in the study
>I've never seen such an extreme use of a begging a question fallacy.
Non of my arguments are fallacial
>You either make claims out of your ass without any proof
Now i know you really didn't read anything in my post
>or say that "it's somewhere in the studies I linked"
because it is. Which you'd know if youd actually taken a look at any of them
>If the study indeed proves everything you said then you're one of the worst presenters possible, just link the parts I need to read that support your claims
>Do my research for me
All of what I posted , supports my claims. I've provided more than enough to back them up and it's not my job to read for you

>no fap

I cant believe this shit hasn't died out. What's it like being retarded?