Stopped drinking milk and all dairy products including whey protein because I was getting uncommon acne...

The last holdout in my diet was mass gainer. Then i found truenutrition and ordered 20lbs of plant based gainer with the same macros and my embarrasing bacne left over from middle school disappeared within the month. That was 8 months ago and you couldn't pay me to go back.

ITT: op stopped drinking milk for a week and replaced it with steroids instead

around my chin. literally nowhere else, googling tells me that's a hormonal thing but I'm 24

>can of tuna a day
pretty sure that's bad for you

>after 1 week acne was gone
I don't have any, thankfully not a teenager anymore.

>I got a shit ton stronger
>from less protein

>broke plateaus
>from less protein

>got bigger
>from less protein

Okay OP. Sounds like you're just looking for an excuse.

>can of tuna a day
>pretty sure that's bad for you
no

>can of tuna a day
>pretty sure that's bad for you
every other day I eat tuna and every other day I eat pic related .

What hormones are those exactly? Could you post a single shred of evidence to back that up?

It is unless you're a fat fuck.

yes, because heavy metals poisoning is a thing.

The mercury in your bloodstream has impaired your ability to make a rational argument user!

not less protein friendo , less dairy protein , I still get the same amount of protein in my diet

this is now a dubs thread

Now with more mercury poisoning!

>canned chicken

It's fine short term 6 months max. I wouldn't go about doing it for the rest of my life. That's what Tilapia and Sardines are for.

estrogen has 0 oral absorption you fucking faggot, take your shitty bait thread and fuck off

>dairy protein
As if adding the word dairy before protein somehow invalidates it

Mood Swings. Dairy also contains hormones that can lead to mood swings. Estrogen and testosterone are our sex hormones, and when they get out of balance according to our bodies' needs, we suffer mood swings as a result. Dairy milk promotes excess estrogen in the body due to it containing estrogen from female cows.

you wont be saying milk was the cause after you reach another plateau....

Underrated

We care about you user. We don't want you to go all Qin Shi Huang on us.

Nice source, faggot.

>promotes excess estrogen in body due to intake of excess estrogen

Biologically speaking, that makes absolutely no sense at all. The usual course is negative feedback inhibition which would mean an intake of excess estrogen would inhibit further stimulation for synthesis of more estrogen. Unless I'm wrong here where more estrogen promotes production of more estrogen, i can't make sense of that last statement.

you aren't too bright are you ?
>not knowing there are different types of protein

I think OP is mostly experiencing placebo effect but I also get acne and am wondering if it's from all the sugar in milk.

>Mood Swings
I wish dairy could make me feel something again but I don't think it works that way.

> the amino acids in dairy are somehow different than those found in meat, legumes, plants, and grains

user, I-

>Oral absorption of estrogen from milk that isn't destroyed by the liver.
Here's a test for you user. Get a blood panel done after not drinking milk for a month, take not of your estrogen levels. Then drink milk for a month and post blood panel results. I will laugh at you in 2 months.

>incomplete protein

I realized eating dairy was breaking me out and that's probably been the best realization I've had for my skin. Even after going on Accutane, dairy still makes me break out. It just really fucks some people up, and I'm one of them.
I'm by no means saying you shouldn't eat dairy if it doesn't give you any problems, but I'm way less bloated, have clearer skin, and consume less fat calories as a result. Plus, I still get enough protein from stuff like eggs, meats, and peanut butter.
I can't like I don't really miss cheese, though. And living in Wisconsin, it's tough to avoid sometimes.

If anything, a constant intake of estrogen from an external source would lead to a deficiency in estrogen in the future when milk is taken off the diet. This would cause imbalance in hormones which would cause the body to produce excess estrogen to try to maintain equilibrium. Of course this would only be the case if the male body naturally produced at least a small concentration of estrogen. I dont know much about estrogen and its effects.
So perhaps OP was on a estrogen high when he broke his plateaus and may be pointing his finger in the wrong direction when it comes to pointing out faults.

yes there are different polypeptide chains, too many to count. But an amino acid is an amino acid. In other words, protein is protein. You can't say its not protein because it came from somewhere you don't know of.

They are, you dumb fuck.

>not knowing different types of protein have different bioavailability

Perhaps you body is incapable of producing the right amount of enzymes to break down lactose.
The ability to breakdown lactose is actually not natural and only came about due to mutations. So those who are not lactose intolerant were able to pick up this mutation as an advantage to expose more nutrient resources.

Not an argument.

>Correlation is causation
Gr8 b8 m8

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19496976/

Not OP, but this is the study that convinced me. Just look at the results. I doubt it's in whey though.

>.gov
dropped

>ncbi
>thinks gov can persuade all scientists in world, present and future, to fake results and go along with it

agris.fao.org/agris-search/search.do;jsessionid=68AB17ABE55296F8F29A869EB28E6EAC?request_locale=es&recordID=US201500065393&sourceQuery=&query=&sortField=&sortOrder=&agrovocString=&advQuery=¢erString=&enableField=
sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160803124441.htm
>Estradiol from dairy products is extensively inactivated in the gastrointestinal tract and only about 5% survives the first pass to the liver. Thus daily dairy product intake would supply only about 0.25% of the FAO/WHO upper acceptable daily intake of estradiol.

That flawed study is debunked here

suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html

The lack of control group makes the results meaingless since all of those hormones change like that after ingesting any source of calories or protein after a fast from reduced counterregulatory response

>he plateaus on lifts
faggot

pea and brown rice powder my dude, no need for the calcinated jew

I hope you're right.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23670169/
That study says milk is associated with lower sperm mobility, but it's pure correlation again with no placebo. I'm trying two weeks of no dairy to see if I feel any different. Three days in right now, no effects yet.

Here's one showing better sperm function after adjusting for confounding smokers and saturated fat intake
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24636397

>he can't digest milk properly

That study shows low fat milk increases sperm mobility whereas high fat cheese decreases it. Since the estrogens in milk are in the fat, that study doesn't help the "estrogens in milk don't affect us" argument

bioavailability != different AAs, unless you're comparing certain plants to meat

but while we're on the topic of bioavailability, guess what has the highest? dairy and meat

not even joking i did the same thing and i had way more energy, heart beat had lower resting rate and my acne cleared up pretty quickly.

i dont any calories from liquids anymore

Really thinking about doing this, but not sure if it is a meme or not
Purely for last resort skin gains

My stomach is always fine with milk

Gave up milk totally last week, skin is softer than its been in years and my acne is almost totally gone. Would recommend.

The no milk diet works, especially in conjunction with a simple sugar load spanning 3 weeks.

Also cuckholdry increased my testosterone. I've never felt more frustrated and aggressive than watching cuck porn.

There are water soluble sulfate salts in low fat and right but it doesn't advance it either because there's another component of the dairy fats, saturated fat, that is known to adversely affect sperm function in models compared to unsaturated fat

revistas.bvs-vet.org.br/animreprod/article/view/35904
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/and.12040/abstract

Sperms need high unsaturated fat and low saturated fat for plasma membrane flexibility and also in mitochondrial cardiolipin for high energy demand when swimming. Picograms of estrogens surviving in plasma have no receptor affinities. Do you consider avoiding kissing/sexual contact with women for this reason also?

>le milk causes acne meme

Stop this. There is literally no evidence supporting this """fact""" yet faggots still meme it like there's no tomorrow.

>This is shit tier bait
and you still reply to it

If that's so then phytoestrogens such as soy isoflavone should be the same then. Thus debunking soy causing estrogen

Fermented milk especially fermented milk with with added lactoferrin reduces acne

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20692602

>CO is structurally similar to CO2 and therefore can be tolerated at isomolar concentrations

Chunk white tuna also has high levels of selenium which bind with the mercury and allow it to pass through your body without harming you. Look up selenium and mercury in tuna and there's alot of studies. I know because a few years back when I was a skinny fuck I did 5 cans a day and someone told me I'd get mercury poisoning so I did a shit ton of research. It's perfectly fine

The music is not that bad

>a hormonal thing but I'm 24
Not too old to get hormonal acne. A lot of women suddenly get acne around this time and go on birth control to sort it out.

I have acne, I'm taking accutane now. Last year I stoped drinking dairy for 6 months and didn't get any better. Started drinking it again and didn't get any worse.

Milk contains Estrogen, it literally comes from a female cattles tit and lowers your T levels.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976

That study already got debunked in this thread

I am willing to bet most of your guys acne/pimples is from poor hygiene or young age, or a combination of both.

Im nearly 30 now and I have clear skin despite drinking milk/whey and eating cheese.

kek

yellowfin in olive oil with lemon/dill or garlic is fucking amazing.

shit is overpriced as fuck though for the weight of fish you're getting.

I dont have milk but its fine stop worrying.
I spontaneously became allergic to it at 25, not intolerant but allergic and i wish i could have it again.

A few weeks ago I switched from Cows milk to Almond milk and I feel much better.

Kissing Goblins, ingratiating goblins.

goblin slop

Totally fucking different things doesn't even compare

compare to what?

I saw OP's thread, and he is talking about how cow's milk is shit and shouldn't really be consumed by people.

Well I think he is correct.

Lmao this overprocessed bs is not good for you

No, milk doesn't
Dairy doesn't do that either
The Murayama study's dealt with in this article as well
>suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html

And as an aside I also have a hard time believing it promotes prostate cancer like the article alludes to, especially when the article says
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.

Same. Skin has improved dramatically.

Everybody has to remember, milks purpose is to pump hormones and fat into NEWBORN COWS. The shit isn't meant to be consumed by ADULTS, or HUMANS.

>tried GOMAD out of curiosity
>gains skyrocketed

feels good, man

the drinking milk leads to acne works only for certain types of bodies.

Not everyone should stop drinking it.

The only valid part of ops post is a lot of people get acne from lactose intolerance, the rest is placebo

underrated post

>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19496976/
>dat sample size
>dat overall trial design
>jumping to accepting the reported alternative hypothesis
>

thank you and also i have switched to almond milk as well , shit is cash

>Never gone more than a month without drinking milk in my entire life.
>6'2.5"
>Perfect skin
>Perfect health. No diseases. Get a cold like once a year maybe.
>Ugly and possibly mild Klinefelters but thats just genetics.

Why would i lie on the internet? Thats for you to speculate. But think about this. What kind of troll/shill puts this much effort into a post?

Just drink your fucking milk you faggots.

Stopped all dairy and protein shakes. No more testicle pain + test through the roof. Skin clear af too. Dairy is the fkin devil.

>Dairy is the fkin devil.

Maybe if you're subhuman.