Why did Germany and Russia end up fighting each other in 1914? It doesn't make any sense...

Why did Germany and Russia end up fighting each other in 1914? It doesn't make any sense. Neither side really had anything to gain from this. And why did Russia enter into an alliance with Britain? Britain spent most of the 19th century thwarting Russian ambitions in the Middle-East, and more recently, Britain had denied Russia access to the Suez Canal during the Russo-Japanese war, costing Russia the war. So what caused Russia to think that it would be beneficial to help Britain against Germany? Besides that, weren't Nicky and Willy friends? Like actual friends? What the fuck happened that made them suddenly want to dismantle each other's empires?

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Why did anyone start a war with anyone in WWI? Maybe if you looked into that and its myriad of facets, you'd answer your own question.

just a little game between friends

As one reactionary said, Nationalism destroys itself.

Why can't brainlets understand basic diplomatic moves that led to WW1?

>Why can't brainlets understand basic diplomatic moves that led to WW1?
>t. brainlet

The question of OP is in fact very good.

Nicky and Willy simply didn't have that much power. They weren't really absolute monarchs.

>BUT THEY WERE FRIENDS HURRRRR
That's a brainlet reasoning.

Wait, WW1 was a war of nationalism?

You'll notice Russia and Britain are usually on the same (winning) side in Great Wars.

Pan-Slavism was Russia's goal

Austria-Hungary was a failure of state built by the most retarded Germasn with other ethnic groups in the empire (who were given rights; the biggest plunder) and stood in the way of that goal.

Russia and Germany were going to be allies, but Willy fucked that up by removing Emperor Bismarck and all his genius that kept the balance of power in Europe.

Russia was a constitutional monarchy in name only, Nicholas II was basically an absolute monarch. Wilhelm II had more limits on his authority, in theory, but he still had a big effect on Germany's military policy. Both men had the ability to stop the war simply by forbidding mobilization, and even once the war started, they could have ordered their armies to hold purely defensive positions.

Russia was pro pan-slavism,they were in alliance with France who helped alot in developing them
g*rmany was paranoid that Russia would usurp them as the most dominant military in a few years so they thought that 1914 was the best time to go for war before Russia got more powerful

Bismarck was a drunken moron whose retarded actions paved the road to great clash between great powers. He himself realized that eventually.

Nationalism led to the decline in the powers of monarchs, and the increase in war dangerousness, as now soldiers saw the other side as part of an unchangeable group who wanted to destroy their own group, rather than someone simply working for his Lord, where his job was to kill. And there remains the fact that it was started by a Serbian nationalist.
By the way, /pol/, nationalism and racism aren't the same thing.

>create the most powerful empire on earth
>drunken moron

>the most powerful empire on earth
Bismarck created the British Empire? Woah.

Wilhelm was a man who could start an international crisis just by visiting Morocco. How is that not powerful?

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the German military's primary goal in WWI was to cripple the Russian Empire before they ultimately industrialized and became too much of a threat in the east.

No one is really arguing why the personalities didn't prevent war. I personally think there had to be some sort of conspiracy among them all. Most of the north European monarchs were inter related in some way.

>Be Bismarck
>have collection of German speaking small states
>get French empire to declare war on you
>kick their ass
>????
>German nation formed
>German empire grows out of it
>Prepare to shame the French twice in the future with wars the French declared

i sure remembered how Germany shamed France in 1919 at Versailles

But what made them think that Russia needed to be crippled? When did Russia do anything to hurt Germany before WW1? Hell, Russia helped Germany in a very important way during the Franco-Prussian war.

Bismarck himself predicted that the great war will be instigated by some retarded action in the Balkans. Well guess what, he was the one that caused for that retarded action to happen by granting Bosnia to Austria-Hungary in Berlin Congress.

>most powerful empire on earth
Wilhelmine Germany was a complete upstart with unrealistically high ambitions that eventually cost them everything.

>Orchestrate the wars that united Germany
>Controlled Europe with more skills than Napoleon
>Knew if he remained in office and had times to prep a successor/fix the current arrangements in Europe the empire will be fine and Europe will be semi-peaceful.

>Willy II goes fucking full retard on Bismarck and makes the most irrational decisions.
>Bismarck gets fired because Willy II feelings were hurt that he was the true Emperor and he wasn't.
>Bismarck called that Willy actions will cause a great war in 20 years since he's undoing everything Bismarck did and Bismarck never got to set his shit up.
>Dies a quiet death in his bed.
>WWI happens 20 years later.
Bismarck wasn't a moron or drunk. He was a genius, Will II was retarded.

Not necessarily, but I was answering the OP question. Germany broke its alliance with Russia by cheap nationalism, nationalism that Bismarck himself was responsible for promoting. Russia was the greatest and best ally that Germany could have.

because French were allied with Russia and didnt continue the league of three emperors

>First World War wouldn't have happened if Bosnia was an independent state.
t. Gavrilo Princip

>Why did Germany and Russia end up fighting each other in 1914?
Because they were allied to the French and had competing interests in the Balkans.

Likewise a failed bluff.

>It doesn't make any sense
Yeah it makes no sense at all that Russia would isolate its largest source of foreign capital. Nor does it make any sense why France would want to see German influence contained.

>And why did Russia enter into an alliance with Britain?
A combination of resolving their disputes in central asia, France and concerns over Germany. + it was more the UK going France and Russia.

Also dont forget Germany's treachery in the Russo Japanese War of goading Russia on then refusing to help when push came to shove.

>Britain had denied Russia access to the Suez Canal during the Russo-Japanese war,
They only did this after the Russian Navy murdered 3 British sailors and destroyed some fishing ships on the pretense that Cod Trawlers just outside of the baltic were in fact Japanese torpedo boats.

>costing Russia the war.
Don't be ridiculous, Stessel and US capital cost Russia the War not the slightlly delayed but otherwise pathetic Baltic Squadron

>So what caused Russia to think that it would be beneficial to help Britain against Germany?
Because they settled their long standing disputes in 1907 and saw the advantage of having them compliment their anti German alliance.

>Besides that, weren't Nicky and Willy friends?
He was also friends with George V.

>What the fuck happened that made them suddenly want to dismantle each other's empires?
Competition and the French mainly. Remember that the Tzar and the Kaiser created an alliance prior to 1910 only for the Tzar and the German government to back away from it when they realised the implications.

Everything Bismarck achieved was short-termed. He was a great manipulator but without a vision, and the little vision he had eventually doomed Europe.

if he was a genius he wouldn't carve off Alsace and Lorraine since that was one of the leading cause of revanchism

Where did you get that from? Princip was a Yugoslav pan-nationalist, not Bosnian separatist. He wanted Bosnia and all south Slavic parts of AH to join with Serbia.

Alsace-Lorraine was absolutely critical for the industrialization of Germany.

The Germans were spanking the French usually with 1/2, 1/3 ratios in battles. They literally won a war on the backs of everyone else in Europe except for autistic Hungarians(the real huns) and Bulgarians helping out. They were outside Paris ffs.

We have the thread every time a commie beta boy tries to argue how shitty Russia's prospects were. In truth, Russia was poised to become the center of the world. Before WW1, they had 3-4% growth rates. They had a plane bigger than a 747 and a tank design that had five times as much power as the heaviest British tank in ww1. They had agricultural reforms that replaced the failed imperial collectivism before. They had the positioning of the geographic pivot, and access to all the markets of Eurasia. They had manpower, and they were set to close the infrastructure gap with western Europe in 30 years(it took the commies 50). If it weren't for communism, Russia would probably be the single most powerful nation in the world right now.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History

That ultimately got the Southern German states on-board with unification under Prussia.

Bismarck vision was to unite the German states (Without Austria) and have it be a peaceful hegemon of Europe, keep France isolated, and hope Russia doesn't go batshit insane.

>hope Russia doesn't go batshit insane

Too bad that's exactly what happened to and after the Tsar.

literally because of how trench warfare favors defenders and that the balance of warfare certainly favors defensive tactics during that time (barbed wire,mg etc) and how the french were obsessed with elan
and also what are you talking about the ratio again?
90 km is not outside of paris btw
too bad it eternally pissed off the frogs until they got back their clay

And Britain would never allow German hegemony on the continent, just like they never allowed French hegemony. He thought for some strange reason that Britain, France and Russia would dance to German tune.

>Bismarck vision was to unite the German states (Without Austria)

Allowing Austria exist as an independent state was a mistake. It should have been incorporated into the German empire. This alone would have prevented WW1.

The other powers would have gotten involved if Prussia started annexing too much of Austria.

>literally because of how trench warfare favors defenders and that the balance of warfare certainly favors defensive tactics during that time

If that were so true in effect, then how did the Germans break into France despite their British and later US troops they were using along with all those defensive advancements?

>and also what are you talking about the ratio again?
Doesn't include their war with Russia, their assistance in the Balkans, or their assistance with the Ottomans. Tactically, look at how they performed.

>He thought for some strange reason that Britain, France and Russia would dance to German tune.

He always said the exact opposite of that. You could've spent the 10 seconds searching his position on any search engine. He warned not to go from realpolitic to weltpolitic because he didn't want to pose a threat to Britain or Russia or France(more than they already were). Kaiser decided to take hedge his bets. He gambled big and lost but that was never Bismarcks position.

Too much annexation of Austria would have caused problems with the other powers. There was also the problem of Austria's royalty not wanting to play second fiddle to Prussia and its royalty unlike the royalty of Bavaria (Who recommended Prussia's king be Emperor), Saschen, etc.

>If that were so true in effect, then how did the Germans break into France despite their British and later US troops they were using along with all those defensive advancements?

The Germans advanced into France in the very beginning of the war, when neither the British nor the Americans were there yet
Then trench started to be dug and it turned into attrition warfare, with the Germans being deep into France

honor and or fear

its true that Germany was the strongest army during the war
but to say that they kicked the French ass
The shows how ignorant you are to the situation
Schlieffen plan worked so well because of the assumption that the Germans wouldn't work their way up to the low countries,and while the Germans caught France with their pants down
the most pivotal moment of the war was the first battle of Marne,once the Germans lost that any hope of a decisive battle was lost
subsequently battle after that shows why people would call most WW1 battle a stalemate
the turning point for that was 1918,the Spring offensive was built off the backs off returning Eastern Front veterans and were based on stormtroopers tactics,this allowed them massive gains in land but barely any closure to the war since they couldn't hold the land or use it as springboard to capture Paris
Entente experienced allowed Uk and France to learn some important lessons such as the usefulness of combat engineers,supply and logistics,integrated command and combined arms
conquering grounds means nothing if you don't have the position to control it
in the end France became the strongest military in Europe with 8 million personnel,though the scars of war with the most devastated land and being the hardest hit by the spanish flu and the subsequent pacifist movement put and end to that

>Then trench started to be dug and it turned into attrition warfare

The trenches came before the German advances. The French still had other defenses other than the maginot. They still had MG's and heavy artillery. They still had the advantage of larger numbers deployed per kilo than the invaders would. Honestly this Frankaboo shit is pathetic.

Your first two statements conflict with the overall point being argued. ffs

Having to go the entire way around Africa because Britain won't let you use the Suez canal is not a "slight delay." It was a huge problem for Russia during the war, because it meant that the fleet didn't get there in time to relieve Port Arthur before it fell to the Japanese.

sweetie,they were no such thing as the Maginot Line in 1914
the period of 1914 was a period of mobile warfare,the trenches really came about during the race to the sea
and France was the power that is less enamoured with trenches since the doctrine states that trenches primary use are for offensive springboarding

what was the point again?
that Germany kicked the French ass?
i already why you're wrong and how the strategic situation shows how the war being played out

>They only did this after the Russian Navy murdered 3 British sailors and destroyed some fishing ships on the pretense that Cod Trawlers just outside of the baltic were in fact Japanese torpedo boats.
There's a greentext about the entire debacle that was the Russian fleet. It is hilarious, and I hope someone posts it here.

>If that were so true in effect, then how did the Germans break into France despite their British and later US troops they were using along with all those defensive advancements?

At first there were no trenches, no Brits and no Americans
Just plains and armies marching Napoleonic style

The Germans attacked and advanced quikly through France

Then the French stopped them at the First Marne (not far from Paris) and repulsed them a little

After that the Germans began to dug to avoid being kicked out of France, and it turned into trench warfare

Then in 1916 the British arrived (well there were a few before that but in insignificant numbers)

And then in 1917 the Americans arrived

Russia and France were part of a subscription package. To side with Feance unfortunately you had to accept the Russians in the bundle as well

the fear of it was real though
torpedo boats already showed their effectiveness in previous battles and the italian war and there were reports of the torpedo boats being launched
being escorted by the royal navy was probably a huge relief since it meant that the japanese torpedo boat wouldnt dare launch any attacks

>sweetie,they were no such thing as the Maginot Line in 1914

lol I wasn't saying that the maginot was built, I'm saying that the French had a concept of defense other than that. They still had other fortifications, they had time to prepare before the Germans could route Belgium. They still had per kilo more troops,artillery, and air support for recon.

>the period of 1914 was a period of mobile warfare,the trenches really came about during the race to the sea

Trenchlines weren't even the only defense ffs. There's no reason France should have lost land with trenches. There's no reason France, if they were equals, should have lost land with it's other fortifications. There's no reason France should have lost land with just the army without any type of defensive tactic, when comparing to the Germans who were also less reliant on them(although, according to Rommel's Infantry Attacks, they adopted foxholes early on). Your whole argument is that the Germans were the best army of ww1, but that they didn't do comparatively much better than the French? Your just here for (you)s at this point.

>i already why you're wrong and how the strategic situation shows how the war being played out

The war was lost, no doubt, but if you took the time to compare situations, economies(French, British, Russian, and American empire to Germany and it's 3 major allies, one of which is Bulgaria ffs not including ALL the other allies of France) then it's pretty apparent they did well to even crack into France.

Not reading that reddit spaced post until you retype it without the tedious format.

Nicky felt betrayed after Willy encouraged aggression and crossing paths with Japan which eventually lead to the disastrous war with Japan

>shit that never happened for 500 please

Panslavism was detrimental to the tsar and was more a thinf promoted by middle class and conservative nationalists and intellectuals. The imperial fanily never came out and supported it and were tepid at best sbout it. Any show of support was forced upon the tsars by a shrill press and well placed insiders

France was also highly rural and having low population growth
Russia had huge population but was very underdeveloped
UK never had too much interest with having a poweful land army
all and all it was set for Germany to win,but they didn't

Russia would have easily won that war if not for British duplicity.

>inb4 yes *you're here for the (you)s

can you point out exactly what defense that the French had during that time?
you're being very unclear and making asinine statements
France was never equal with Germany after unification,that's why they allied themselves with Russia
warfare stagnated for about 100 years since Napoleon came about and the thought of defensive war coming about was not in people's mind during that time until the race to the sea
by God you're stupid and insufferable

>i haven't done any reading about the Great War and i'm just here to give some ignorant remarks
cool,now i know i'm dealing with an ignoramus

What exactly was the goal of Panslavism, anyway? Just to make Russia even bigger?

the political ideology concerned with the advancement of integrity and unity for the Slavic-speaking peoples
ironically Germany's unification was one of the driving points for it

>France was never equal with Germany after unification,that's why they allied themselves with Russia

Good. There's nothing to argue about then. You're just mad because your contrarian statements aren't being met with full agreement. Also, why the fuck are you typing like that? Fix your fucking format rookie.

Sure. From Brusilovs autobiography to Rommel's Infantry Attacks. Just because you can't form a point and argue it doesn't mean everyone else is as ignorant-or as stupid- as you apparently are.

Slavic expansion as a whole. Russia was a vehicle for Slavic culture in general, that's why they fought wars in the Balkans and absorbed other Slavs.

> it meant that the fleet didn't get there in time to relieve Port Arthur before it fell to the Japanese.
You mean the fleet that was obliterated in a single day? The fleet which fired upon stationary fishing boats for twenty minutes only to sink one out four and in the process killed 2 of their own?
The fleet was not in a position to make a decisive impact on the war.

Likewise Port Arthur had a huge supply of food and resources at the time of its surrender - so much so that the Japanese couldn't understand why they surrendered.

>contrarian statement
rather than your asinine and meaningless statement
>france was full of defenses and was toe to toe gais even though they had a lower population and there's no evidence to show that they were geared for defensive warfare
>germany totally kicked france's ass even though they lost their best chance of it in 1914

>A recurring theme of Wilhelm's letters to Nicholas was that "Holy Russia" had been "chosen" by God to save the "entire white race" from the "Yellow Peril", and that Russia was "entitled" to annex all of Korea, Manchuria, and northern China up to Beijing.[37] Wilhelm went on to assure Nicholas that once Russia had defeated Japan that this would be a deadly blow to British diplomacy, and the two emperors, the self-proclaimed "Admiral of the Atlantic" and the "Admiral of the Pacific" would rule Eurasia together, making them able to challenge British sea power as the resources of Eurasia would make their empires immune to a British blockade, which would thus allow Germany and Russia to "divide up the best" of the British colonies in Asia between them.[37] Nicholas had been prepared to compromise with Japan, but after receiving a letter from Wilhelm attacking him as a coward for his willingness to compromise with the Japanese (whom Wilhelm never ceasing reminding Nicholas represented the "Yellow Peril") for the sake of peace, become more obstinate.[38] Wilhelm had written to Nicholas stating that the question of Russian interests in Manchuria and Korea was beside the point, saying instead it was a matter of Russia

When Nicholas replied that he still wanted peace, Wilhelm wrote back in a telegram "You innocent angel!", telling his advisors "This is the language of an innocent angel. But not that of a White Tsar!".[38]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War#Pre-war_negotiations

>Russia would have easily won that war if not for British duplicity.
What duplicity are you thinking of?

How did Russia have such high population growth

>The fleet was not in a position to make a decisive impact on the war.
Yeah, because they had to go ALL THE WAY around Africa, which took months. They arrived too late, and they got wiped out because of it. If Britain has simply allowed Russia to make use of the Suez canal, they could have relieved Port Arthur and repelled the Japanese. This is why it is so hard to understand why Nicholas II was willing to ally with Britain during WW1 after they had already screwed him over.

industrialization,railway networks,roads etc
with high economic growth comes a great population boom

You say that France had a lower population, disregard the fact they had a decently sized starting army, and then say that they left the war with 8 million troops and support services. Make up your mind. You say Germany had the best army. Then you say France didn't do proportionately worse given what they had. MUYM. You say that I made meaningless statements, but your entire argument from the beginning is riddled with hypocrisy and blowing yourself the fuck out with your own counterpoints. MUYM.

That's Wilhelms correspondence. Okay. Where's the part about Nicky feeling betrayed? It doesn't seem that way at all. Wilhelm calls himself an "innocent angel". Did you just blow yourself the fuck out with your own argument?

Russia could've won if they held out for a few more weeks actually
Japan had already tanked their economy by that time

Wasn't most of the population still living in almost medieval-like rural conditions though?

No, I mean that the Russian navy's attempts to reach the Pacific would make a wonderful, National Lampoon style movie. They lost a ship to snakes in Madagascar, accidentally shot their own ships because someone loaded live ammo at the practice target (a friendly ship), and I think they were under arrest for part of the whole thing before arriving at the war in the pacific, and promptly getting BTFO'd by the Japanese.

He's talking about overall growth, that doesn't necessarily imply urbanization.

I'm sick of these mothafucking snakes on this mothafucking battleship

>France was never toe to toe with Germany to begin with
>They managed to hold out Germany during the most crucial point of the war
>they had a large standing army,but have a harder time for mobilization
>their army was geared for offensive action at that time,with no indication for protracted trench warfare
>they ended the war the strongest which was undermined as the tolls of the war came down upon them
>Germany had the strongest army in 1914
>they didn't manage to win even though they had the best position to do so
this is to counter your direct statement about France's getting their ass kicked during the war or that they were planning up a defensive war
truth is you lost the plot from the beginning m8

>>The next phase in the operation was to rendezvous with ten of the German supply ships off Dakar in Western Africa. Having made contact, the fleet then proceeded to take on double loads of coal. These extra loads had to be stored on the decks, which caused coal dust to spread throughout the ships. The coal dust, combined with the humid equatorial atmosphere, resulted in the death of some of the seamen who suffered severe respiratory problems from breathing in the filthy black air, which congested their lungs.

How did they go from this to the red october?

To lift their spirits, the crews collected exotic pets on shore visits - including a crocodile and a poisonous snake that caused a panic on one battleship when it wrapped itself around the guns and then bit the commanding officer. The fleet turned into a floating zoo as a bizarre menagerie of birds and animals was left free to roam the decks. Events took a more severe downturn when the cooling plant on the "Esperance", the fleet's refrigerated supply ship, broke down. A lot of rotting meat had to be jettisoned which resulted in the fleet being followed by sharks.

>Yeah, because they had to go ALL THE WAY around Africa, which took months. They arrived too late, and they got wiped out because of it. If Britain has simply allowed Russia to make use of the Suez canal, they could have relieved Port Arthur and repelled the Japanese

How? Though the pacific fleet was already broken almost a year earlier and the Baltic Squadron had proven itself to be wholly incapable of even hitting stationary targets that didnt fire back. What makes you think that with even less practice and experience they would have done a better job?

Its like saying Iraq could have won the first gulf war if they had an extra couple of months to prepare.

>This is why it is so hard to understand why Nicholas II was willing to ally with Britain during WW1 after they had already screwed him over.
Did you forget everything in my post regarding the role played by the French desires to contain Germany ?

>after they had already screwed him over.
Because poltics isn't based on more than feelings? You know for the same reason why France and Russia could be allies despite their history.

>truth is you lost the plot from the beginning m8

Projection. The very first statements user delivered were simultaneously
>Germany was the best army
>France didn't do proportionately worse

Germans can't be objectively better than Franks if the Franks were equals. Then there's the population issue. If the population is low, but they can still mobilize 8 million people for direct action and support, then bringing up the overall population is pointless. Then there's the issue of defense. We all know how bogged down it became so there's no point reiterating it, but even in situations of comparable mobility, the French got spanked even though they had the best light and medium artillery(the recoilless designs). Then there's the issue of saying the Germans started with the strongest army even though:
>they had to divide it into two theaters
>they had to send troops to train Ottomans and help the AH thwart the Brusilov offensive
>the French gained British expeditionary troops for support
>the French later gained US troops on top of that

The fact you think "holding out" but losing land and tactical scenarios against Germany, but hold Germany to a success standard far higher is hypocritical.

>Because poltics *is* based on more than feelings? You know for the same reason why France and Russia could be allies despite their history.

>Likewise Port Arthur had a huge supply of food and resources at the time of its surrender - so much so that the Japanese couldn't understand why they surrendered

This is actually the origin of the Japanese NEVER SURRENDER meme that Imperial Japan drilled into everybody's head during the lead-up to WW2. The Japanese command wanted to be absolutely sure that nothing like that would ever happen to them.

Accuracy was always very low for battleship guns, especially for pre-dreadnought battleships. The fancy fire control systems you see on WW2 battleships weren't invented until much later. Besides, if they were worried about a possible torpedo attack, then they probably kept their distance, meaning that they were firing from long-range, further reducing accuracy.

Actually, to correct that, the Germans had to divide into three theaters given Falkenhayn being sent to Africa and the conflict there.

>That's Wilhelms correspondence. Okay. Where's the part about Nicky feeling betrayed? It doesn't seem that way at all.

>During the war, Nicholas who took at face value Wilhelm's "Yellow Peril" speeches, placed much hope in German intervention on his side, and more than once, Nicholas chose to continue the war out of the belief that the Kaiser would come to his aid.[29]

The Kaiser sent him tons of letters egging him on to be aggressive and take everything from the Japanese and Chinese. The Kaiser painted this as an epic crusade to save Christianity and the White race, yet refused then refused military aid and support. How do you not see this as deceit and betrayal?

>Wilhelm calls himself an "innocent angel". Did you just blow yourself the fuck out with your own argument?

Hes calling the Tzar an idealistic cuck and saying that he is letting the white race down (hence the whole "not acting like a White Tzar") for not being more aggressive with the Japanese and going after more land in Asia.

look at his fuckin retarded left arm. wilhelm was ultimate manlet autist

except you can see the numbers here for 1914 here
troop numbers were basically in parity with fluctuations by offensive,for example heightened disposition of troops in sectors such as north belgium during passchendeale or the area around verdun,which were considered to be a quiet front up until 1916
BEF numbers didn't reach a considerable sum until 1916,and even then they were sent to less volatile parts of the line and US troops didn't reach up to significant until 1918
Germany still had one more chance of breaking through after Brest-Litovsk which freed up large number of troops to the front yet still fail to gain a decisive victory
all and all the western front was a stalemate,with no clear sides "kicking asses'

>People are robots and their personal relationships never influence how they make decisions

Seems like the brainlet here is you user.

and France and Britain divided troops to the middle east,Italy,Salonica and the African colony
so your point is?

Assuming you are the same user that's avoiding the question of the efficacy of the Baltic Squadron and its ability to someone how break the siege and Japanese fleet.

>The Kaiser painted this as an epic crusade to save Christianity and the White race

Objectively true.

>yet refused then refused military aid and support

Because he didn't need it at first. Russia had already secured French loans. J**** attacked Russia, not the other way around. It was a surprise attack, the declaration had been delivered after the dirty J*ps attacked(they do this sort of thing, like when they bombed Pearl Harbor on a Sunday morning). It just doesn't make sense why the Tsar would feel betrayed. He didn't even go through with Kaiser's crusade mentality to begin with. He was just trying to hold the east at this point, and the Franks were helping with that. I really don't see how this would be a betrayal at all.

Germany is the only major power on the central powers side, and their troops are not only fighting across three theaters but being sent to help it's allies. Contrast this to France, who received British troops in it's home territory and US troops later on too. Germany was being spread thin, France was being reinforced internally and had far larger and more powerful allies.

>except you can see the numbers here for 1914 here
It's dated for 1918 user. That pic actually is an admission you were wrong. Earlier you argued that the French had a stronger late war army, and this is a reversal of that.

France and Britain had colonies to provide them with extra manpower. Indian soldiers were used anywhere the British empire needed extra boots on the ground. Germany technically also had colonies, but they were cut off because of the naval blockade, meaning that they weren't much use to Germany during the war.

My point is that the Baltic squadron would have performed much better if it hadn't been forced to go all the way around Africa before reaching their destination. By the time the Baltic squadron reached the relevant area, the crews were exhausted and demoralized from their very long journey, and they didn't get a chance to rest and recover before they had to engage the Japanese. They never stood a chance under those conditions.

its for the linked post,if you cannot even do that go look up for the first battle for marne
the schlieffen plan states that Germany focused 70% of their efforts on the Western Front,and while it was stretched thin it didn't compare to the manpower exhaustion that France is facing
because Operation Michael was in the spring offensive where Germany got an influx of troops freed up due to Brest-Litovsk being signed

>Objectively true.
You think its objectively true that the Japanese invading were planing to invade Europe with Chinese soldiers and that all Asians hated Christianity?

>Because he didn't need it at first
You think he didnt need the help of the 2nd or third most powerful navy in the world? You think he didnt need their help later on?

> It was a surprise attack, the declaration had been delivered after the dirty J*ps attacked(they do this sort of thing, like when they bombed Pearl Harbor on a Sunday morning). It

You mean just like the Russians did when they went to war with the Swedes? Or is it only ok when Russians do it?

> It just doesn't make sense why the Tsar would feel betrayed.
Because he genuinely believed that the Kaiser would support him and then made decisions based on that thinking. The Kaiser then did not support him when that support would have made the difference.

Its akin to the behaviour of the Communists during the Warsaw Uprising or the Americans in Hungary/

>He was just trying to hold the east at this point
Actually gaining ground the Japanese were happy to let the Russians keep all of Manchuria in exchange for the Russians letting them keep Korea but the Russians got greedy.

>The Kaiser then did not support him when that support would have made the difference.
But realistically, what could Wilhelm have done in this situation? How could the Kaiser have transported German soldiers to Manchuria and/or Korea in time to influence the result of the war?

>The question of OP is in fact very good.

Nope it isn't, the reasons are pretty straight forward something something Serbia?