How does Veeky Forums view single dads with kids from surrogate mothers? Is this the patrician way?

They allowed two gay dudes to adopt a kid and as it turns out they and were pimping him out in a kiddy rape sex ring.

If that means I can become a bonus mother then yes I would definitely take both in in a heart beat.

male children need dads

I saw this story trending on normiebook
So much ppl shaming him into "manning up" and such. "just come out as gay already xDDD"

The man is a S-tier celebrity, loaded with cash and an endless supply of pussy if he wants. I think he knows very well the nature of women surrounding him 24/7. He's pretty redpilled, and he wants kids, yet he knows finding a worthy woman is extremely hard, even more so if you have such high status as he does.

Lucky.
I'd actually want to find an attractive thicc intelligent woman to have some fun with knock up and then pay her for the kid(s) and to keep her out of my childs life.

I'd raise them as a single father and give them all the love I can and be an obscenely overprotective doting dad.
AND I'll keep 20/10 only VAGUELY legal escorts on speed dial.
Probably will need to hire a maid to keep the house clean and look after the kids while I'm out. Maybe a bilingual fresh over the border 20+ year old latina or chinese woman who can teach him/her a new language and how to do something interesting.

I don't care how much hate he gets, but Ronaldo is like the prototype for a man that has adjusted successfully to the disintegration of the nuclear family:
>pay out mom to raise kid yourself so she doesn't ruin him
>go on vacations with bros for emotional intimacy (and possibly a bit of n-no homoing)
>fuck sloots for sexual intimacy
>as soon as a girl starts playing her games - drop her: no drama, no jealousy, no looking back, nothing
>don't ever fucking marry

that's how you get numales and crash and burn an entire society, like sweden for example.

>>pay out mom to raise kid yourself so she doesn't ruin him
>>go on vacations with bros for emotional intimacy (and possibly a bit of n-no homoing)
>>fuck sloots for sexual intimacy
>>as soon as a girl starts playing her games - drop her: no drama, no jealousy, no looking back, nothing
>>don't ever fucking marry

pretty much this.

>is this an actual thing? I've never heard of it, single men aren't allowed to adopt as far as I know and I figured there'd be similar restrictions on surrogacy.

surrogacy just means you have a kid with a woman who then does not take part in the kid's life. it's still your kid, so what is the govt. going to do? take it away from the dad who wants to care for it and force it on the mother who wants nothing to do with it?

or force it to be raised by a homosexual couple, yeah that's sort of what I assumed.

>in most places it's not illegal for an unmarried "couple" to go for ivf
>when the kids is born they split up, it happens
>mother leaves custody to father
>father likes his ex-gf so much that he gifts her a large sum of money, completely unrelated to custody - of course
and there you have it.

He's a hero.

Joint custody should be the default in the event of separation, the only alternative to that would be men raising the children since woman only know how to raise cowards and whores.

Does everyone here hate their mother? Thats the impression I get.

t. Mamas boy

>single mom raises boy
>shit role model, no idea about proper male behavior
>boy becomes a dysfunctional and socially retarded mess

once the boy finds out that his upbringing has fucked up his early life experiences, and that his mother's past selfishness is the reason for it all, he ends up building a lot of resentment towards her and towards single mothers in general.

Nope, but I was raised by both my parents.
All my personal experiences and most statistics I've come across say that in order from best to worst it goes:
>Raised by both parents (dad is allowed to have a say.)
>Raised by both parents (dad is a whipped.)
>Raised by dad.
>POWER GAP
>Raised by mom.

Nope, women are victims of societal brainwashing that told them being a single mother was 'brave' and worthy of praise on it's own regardless of how much it hurt the child.

also, basically this:

His new girlfriend is pregnant with twins. Looks like he failed in the end. Great attempt though.

Is it worse than not existing at all? Ask yourself that question and before you reply contra to me, seriously ask yourself if not existing is preferable to living life.

Having a dyel body is preferable to being crippled, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't work out and encourage kids to work-out.

I get that it's not a perfect analogy. But your question is pure navel-gazing.

Encouraging less single moms is not going to go back in time and delete all children of single moms.

If that one specific sperm that made you didn't make it trough, then the one after it would have. There would be another person born and living in your place. It matters now: but back then your parents or the universe could have given less of a shit which one made it to the finish line first. Your not the result of destiny or some all encompassing plan: you're a product of lots of random chance. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

All of my negative qualities come from my mom's side. I don't hate her, but I very easily could.

I didn't say anything about single mothers. The context of the question is in relation to the OP who specifies men having a surrogate mother for their kids.

Calling that situation child abuse because the kid doesn't have a mom but has everything else he needs in life is preferable to not existing at all. The inverse applies to a single mother raising a child as well. I literally have no idea what the rest of your post means.

>Calling that situation child abuse because the kid doesn't have a mom but has everything else he needs in life is preferable to not existing at all.
Are you calling ti child abuse? I know you're not, but your syntax is fucking ambiguous.

My basic point is: being raised by both parents is better than being raised than by a single mom, so is being raised by a single father. Where you draw the line, and at which point you think that conditions are so bad that it's better not to have kids is a matter of opinion (or maybe complex meta-analysis of a whole bunch of statistics.)

I'm typing on my phone sorry. It is a matter of opinion but you can probably draw a line when a person's life would be so highly probable to be a living hell that it wouldn't be worth it.

Examples would be the prisoners in Plato's allegory of the cave or perhaps a person with a very low life expectancy born in a dangerous third world slum.

A person born in a first world country with one parent still gets to eat good food, fall in love, acquire knowledge, etc. From an objective standpoint their sense perception is more positive than negative.

Very rough estimation, just to show why I think guys planing on sole custody might be justifiable once a certain threshold in single-mothers is crossed:

Let's give being raised by both parents a happiness multiplier of 1.
Single fathers, statistically, are better for a child than single mothers.
Let's say single fathers give a multiplier of 0.8, mothers one of 0.6.
That might seem unfair, but by happiness I don't just mean that kids happiness. Theirs plus their effect on other people: Children of single mothers are much more likely to be criminals, addicts, abusers in relationships etc.

If half of all children are raised by both parents, 40% by single moms and 10% by single dads: average multiplier is 0.82 ie. better than the multiplier for single dads. A single dad lowers the average.

If 40% is raised by both, 55% by moms, and 5% by dads (which are numbers that you will find in many communities in the US and other places) then it's 0.77. A single dad betters the average.

Nope. That's in another surrogate

>patrician

just so you guys know, if you were born a plebeian back in ancient rome, you could NEVER rise to become a patrician. you would always, always, always be a plebeian.

I'm not so sure, but if that's true - Ronaldo collecting fucking kids like pokemans.