/roids/

dead thread is dead

also worth noting,
i was fine for about a year, during which i did 2 blasts at 500mg

i've been cruising for the past year at 250 and its just been getting worse it seems.

are you shooting tgirl porn finally ?
I dont want your ass to get ravaged anymore bimbsy,you are a cool namefag.

>currently dropping from 250 to 200mg/week
test?

yea.

thought it might be estro related so i overdid it on the ai for a period of time but no luck

idk man.

250 is usually well above natural test levels and it takes rbcs 3 months to die. Do a normal trt dose of like 150 or even 100 for a few months u fgt

:(

i just want the redness to go away. when i lift or get embarrassed i turn this deep red color all over my face and ears.

dang i thought 250 was the standard cruise dose

looks like were going down even more. id do anything to get rid of this shit.

>250 was the standard cruise dose
for people who respond fairly low, or see a cruise dose as a "eh, it'll do" dose after blasting hard. i myself am still technically supraphysiological at 200mg (not that I care, but alas).

>tfw choosing non protein source
>decent tasting, clean foods like peas, beans, lentils and chickpeas are only 80 calories per 100grams
>sugary lactosey yogurts and rice pudding are 60 cals per 100grams but tons of sugar
>the really good stuff like chicken or steak pies, pizza, bread, etc are 250 calories per 100grams
>averagely fine food like rice, pasta, etc are 150cals per 100grams

why is life so shit? id like to eat a lattice steak pie but then I can literally eat 3x more baked beans and kidney beans than that for the same cals

who gives a shit nigger

>the cutting meme

me, when giving presentations in an unairconditioned room in the summer, nervous b/c my presentation is being observed by my bosses and something unexpected comes up leaving me flustered. Normally I'd recover like anyone else, with hardly anyone noticing but instead i turn deep beet red and fall through a downward spiral of discomfort

How do I get in touch with Chem?

Guys I've been up for the hours and have gotten like 6 boners, is this what being high test supposed to feel like?

Dies the beard go away when you stop?

Best injectable and oral for a mild cut/recomp?

Last 10-20lbs until I'm shredded enough for summer wondering what I should run to take me there. I was thinking low test moderate tren and sdrol 4 weeks on 4 weeks off

Sounds good?

>beard from gear
meme

Age, weight, experience with cycles/lifting. Tren is amazing but it's not to be fucked with lightly or with new frauders

Also I'm not one of those guys that'll tell you not to do it as long as it's not first cycle, but experience dictates how much, and what you can throw with it. Personally I do my recomps on 200mg test e, 300mg tren e, at these doses I don't need an ai or caber but I keep caber, adex, letro all on hand, if I have issues I can kill the shit out of it.

23, 205lbs at 6'3" been running test since late October. Was 250mg e3d now it's 125mg e3d while I cut.

I'll have caber on hand by the time I order any tren, and I already have plenty of ralox and asin.

That's young, you going to take a break in there at all or you blasting and cruising for life now? I'm 31 so I don't worry about pct, my natty test levels were terrible but not bad enough for my shitty doctor to give me trt so I trt myself, if your natty levels aren't bad I would personally come off for a little bit before hitting the tren, you don't wanna permanently shut down if you don't have to. If you are gonna do it though, I get amazing results and no sides expcept a little insomnia and a raging hardon that lasts pretty much the whole time I run tren, I don't fuck with high doses, results are there for me at 300 a week.

BnC until I'm done BnC basically, I'll deal with the consequences when they come.

Don't think I'll come off with summer so close and the opportunity to look 10x better than I ever have before. Possibly after summer I'll load a bunch of hcg and stop the exogenous test to give my balls a boost for a month or two, we'll see. I want to research it more.

Glad to see low doses get results I didn't really want to run a bigass dose in the first place, don't think it's necessaryfor me right now.

The 4 weeks on/off sdrol protocol look alright? I haven't done that one either but people seem to love it besides the liver beating it gives.

I personally would drop the sdrol, tren test and a good diet will shred the fuck out of you, you really don't need anything else. And the less stuff you run, especially new to you, the better you can deal with the sides, start adding a bunch of things in there and you have more to worry about. I do long runs usually about 16 weeks with my test-tren, but I've ran it as long as 20 to get where I wanted to be without any issues

While you have a point, I think you're being a little over conservative.

I'm not plugging mast/deca/tren and then chomping on every oral I can find. I'm adding one injectable and when levels from that stabilize I'll add an oral, which can be dropped at any time.

If possible I'd like to "grow into the cut" and this seems like a babbysfirst protocol for something like that.

Yeah, it probably is overly conservative but If it works I'm not gonna fuck with it, I don't really like messing with Orals at all personally, I'm sure you would be fine with it and you can always drop it if you have any issues. You do seem like you have researched this some which is good, you will be fine, make sure that diet is in check and you will see a change in the mirror damn near daily.

Awesome.

What do you think diet should look like?

Lately I've been eating only protein sources during the day and post workout a big meal with a carb source. All of this at a mild caloric deficit. Throw in an occasional psmf day and occasional carb up/refeed/cheat day (obviously within reason on the cals for those).

what are you guys' general opinion on sarms
have you tried them
do they work as well as roids
do they fuck your shit up

Diet seems person dependant, but I usually do keto on all my recomp cycles, some people hate it but it keeps my lifts up while losing the fat, I eat pretty close to maintenance cals while ketoing, and do a carb refeed once a week after the first few weeks strict with no refeed.

what is this

>carb refeeds

literally ruining the point of keto

u wil get huge

Ive tried lots, Ive yet to try YK11, keep in mind that YK11 is steroidal. And allegedly the way YK11 works is by real myostation inhibition - apparently its a very weak direct anabolic.

The two sarms I recommend are ostarine and LGD-4033. I didnt use to rate ostarine, but after it fixed up my tendons I was like holy shit. I just yolo dosed (50mg) a remaining bottle while taking 200-250mg test iirc, about 8-9 days I noticed my nagging tendon issues were gone.

LGD is great and the general purpose go to sarm. Ive never noticed healing benefits on it like ostarine, but for everything else its much stronger.

Works reasonably well on its own. Really shines when combined with test and probably other steroids.

The reason for this is it crushes shbg and effectively amplifies the dosage while keeping your response high over the long term. As well as adding its own effect.

Be careful with this though, combined with test it means free test goes way up which means estrogen goes way up and not much shbg for the estrogen to bind to.

ie: Please take an ai if you take LGD with test. The first time I didnt take an ai, I took 500mg of test with LGD and got smashed hard with estro sides (normally 500mg is fine for quite a while before needing an ai).

LGD and Osta dont fuck your shit up, on their own recovery is much faster than coming off roids since 1) they have very short half life. 2) LH and FSH dont appear to get crushed as with roids.

Combined with roids recovery is the same with or without the sarms (unless you bridge to pct with sarms only after the roids or some shit).

>have you tried them
a few
>do they work as well as roids
nope, some can provide added benefits while on rons, but that's hardly recommended
>do they fuck your shit up
yup

an overshilled pile of garbage

Garbage

thanks

>Ostarine and LGD-4033

I'm not ready to try a real cycle, maybe ill do one of these based on your recommendation.

I love how Crazybulk goes out of their way to come up with (((suspicious))) names for their garbage.

"TRENOROL (TRENBOLONE)

STACK WITH:
DecaDuro (Deca Durabolin), D-Bal (Dianabol) , Anadrole (Anadrol), Winsol, (Winstrol) Clenbutrol (Clenbuterol) and Testo-Max (Sustanon) for best results."

What is it like running tren? Do you feel like a demi god when you are cycling? Just genuinely curious as a guy whos been lifting for 6 years and has made little to no gains as of lately. Its hard not to go to the dark side but im still in college and am worried about the stigma of taking steroids since my friends find everything to poke fun at me for since they are mad jelly at gains. I cant imagine how much steroid insults they'd throw at me. Also, when someone asks if you're on roids what do you say to them?

>the downsides of roids
>but none of the real benefits

why would anybody even consider this shit holy fuck kys

both of those have exactly the same sides as the real deal, but with minimal benefits

shit results, even at ridiculously high dosages, all the sides, including heavy shutdown of your HPTA

kinda disappointed testo-max isn't called sustonon or w/e tbH, they're ruining the appeal lmao

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>when someone asks if you're on roids what do you say to them?
h-haha n-no just buying t-tighter shirts

>Also, when someone asks if you're on roids what do you say to them?
I laugh nervously

Running my first dnp cycle
Currently on day 4 at 200 mg/day

Feel flushed all day but not getting the insane sweats everyone talks about
Also feel hyper lethargic and experience shortness of breath and wake up with dry throat

Wondering if the lack of sweat but presence of other symptoms means anything?

If you want gains then LGD is better than Ostarine in that regard, Ive heard S23 is stronger (its modified form of Ostarine somehow) but its hard to find.

LGD will suppress your total test quite strongly, at least 50% or more based on blood works. Free test on the other hand may be only a little lower or even the same depending on the individual factors - which is why you dont feel like absolute dogshit on it like you would taking most oral steroids or pro hormones on their own (Ive done this once and it was fucking hell) - though some report lethargy mid cycle, most reports are either feel normal or a bit lethargic mid cycle, libido a bit lower to a bit higher.

iirc lethargy for me hits around week 6 or 7 and picks up again after that. Its not liver toxic so you can run it for an extended amount of time.

I havent tried irc's LGD but they seem to be well rated.

Btw your pic was YK11 and I wouldnt take that without a test (or trest) base because of its steroidal nature I suspect it may fully shut down your HPTA instead of just suppressing it partially, which may make you feel like absolute shit.

I also think RAD140 is more sutiable to do with some level of test rather than on its own.

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not at all lol

pretty much the only side of lgd is suppression (not even full-blown shutdown). no spike in bp, no cardiac issues, no aromatization whatsoever, no trashing of lipids, no hematocrit increase...

Yeah it means you're on day 4 of literal babby dose. give it a couple more days then go up to 500/600

>meanwhile
>take a tiny bit more test than your natural levels
>make more gains than the SARMs would provide throughout your entire life
>have the same if not fewer sides

>heavy shutdown

You're an idiot. Shutdown means production is stopped. Steroids do that.

Sarms give you suppression, which is a partial reduction in production of testosterone which is somewhat compensated for by reduced SHBG, FSH and LH typically dont take much of a hit either.

Please learn something before memeing.

I forgot where I ordered my fucking medical supplies from. What is that popular store called again? You know for needles/alcohol pads/BAC water? It's not on my credit card statement anymore and i can't find it in my emails

>Being this idiotic.

If you combine it with test aromatisation can became a major issue if you dont control it. People dont realise it effectively makes the test dose a lot highier.

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It's not source talk you stupid nigger. This is for legal medical supplies.

CIA pls go

So you think injecting 500mg of test a week is safer / has less sides?

what the fugg m8. almost no steroids cause "shutdown".

"steroids" are not just one magical substance, just like "sarms" are not.

most SARMS were dropped during the phase 2 testing, because of too heavy suppression/shutdown (such as lgd4..)

testosterone suspension for example, does not shut you down much at all except for some hours around when you injected it

nandrolone decanoate is just about the only "steroid" that actually gets close to "shutting you down" although testosterone production is still not stopped to 100%

some children's cycle like 250mg test per week barely suppresses a healthy males test production. If your balls even shrink at all from that you have shit genetics.

Im tired of fucking endlessly searching the internet for this fucking shit. I know i know no source talk but jesus fucking christ I have no one to ask and everyone on the internet flames anyone who asks so if there is someone in this thread that would be so kind as to direct me where I can go about retrieving some skittles in a polite and legal, but discrete manner that would be most incredible.

Yeah and he'd be an idiot. Test has more sides. LGD was also found to be a very safe substance. The sides extended use or extreme dosing of test provides makes it potentially unsafe, not so for LGD. The test may be more effective at that dose of course.

Of course I recommend using due diligence and taking precautions and looking after your health while combining the two.

depends.. on how long you are going to use it

if you can promise that you will only do 1 or 2 short cycles.. then perhaps ostatine will have less sides. But what is the point of doing that?

to get actually permanent/impressive gains you are going to be wanting to use stuff on/off for most of your life

if that is your plan, to dedicate much of your life to fitness, then yes testosterone is 1000% more safe, if you also get regular checkups

nobody even has any idea at all about long term effects of sarms (i.e. cancer, heart problems, etc etc). The warm RAD140 was dropped due to cancer already forming in the short term for example.

you are full of shit.

there are no long term studies on LGD, nobody knows what the sides actually are.

testo is well known to be safe for long term use from HRT studies. Certainly safer than for example regularly using ibuprofen

you are a complete fucking retard. please refrain from posting ever again

r/sst is the only thing you're going to get

everyone here has roid rage apparently, look:

if you use steroids you'll get breasts when you come off them and your balls will shrink and you'll lose any and all gains that you made. That's a scientific fact.

How's this look for an oral only cruise / cycle, as I'm headed to Korea / Japan for 4 months and I don't want to come off after years of blasting and cruising for years.

I'm using labeled E-Juice bottles for the solutions, which uses the same suspending compounds anyways.
Visine dripper is for sleeping-aid on plane

(Pic related)

nice comeback m8

read some actual studies imbecile

of course if you use test enanthate for 20w+, your testes won't produce much test at the end of that. BUT IT WONT BE ZERO.

If you do 50mg of osta a day for 2 months, your values will look almost exactly as after that test cycle.

even at 12mg osta showed suppression in studies.

LGD is MUCH MORE suppressive than osta

fuck off with your sarms shilling. SARMS ARE WORTHLESS POSs, and they GIVE SHIT RESULTS unless you are 80+ and want some mobility back.

Just get rons in Japland, apparently it's legal there

that will happen with LGD, it has much estrogenic sides when people use it at actually "effective" (still shit results) dosages.

so fucking gay. So fucking gay that this shit is fucking illegal so now I get to dig through reddit to look for the one thread that points me in a direction that MIGHT lead me to a source that im not sure is reliable. I just want to do the shit and do it the safest way possible but I can't because everyone pussy foots around just giving me direct answers.

It's nearly impossible to find syringes and needles and I'm not just staying in Japan.

This. Sarms are shitty, but LGD ran at 25mg+ ED (Too scary for Reddit) made me look juicy (very full and vascular) and gave pretty good strength gains.

>Nobody knows what the sides are

Extreme dosing has been tested and at a longer period of time than most people would normally use it at a much lower dose, it has passed safety protocols.

TRT is low dose, the "cruise" dose people use is higher. Long term testosterone usage requires semi regular blood work as it will otherwise fuck some people up.

The reason regular testing is required is because so many things can and in fact do unfortunately go wrong for some people so it is better to catch that before it gets out of hand. Meaning it is unsafe for long term dosage, especially at supraphysiological doses (eg typically above 150mg/wk - dont lie to yourself saying 250mg is trt level).

If it was safe it wouldnt need testing, people wouldnt get fucked up on it from cruising for too long without getting checked up.

All cruisers should get tested semi regularly to know where their health stands because of their habbit.

Just because you or nobody else here experiences issues from long term usage doesnt mean its safe. Not everyone who drink drives crashes for example, but it is still not safe.

Steroid usage can be done semi responsibly with risks mitigated by looking after your health, keeping your cholesterol, bp in check etc, and if youre on long term, getting bloods done. Just stop lying to me and others by saying its fucking safe when it is not.

Nobody advocates or uses LGD for years on end without break.

Dont be a fucking dipshit.

I live in Japan, its not impossible to find it, its actually easy. A domestic source has domestically shipped pins (dont ever import pins by mail or baggage into Japan, steroids? a-ok to import a limited amount) 200 yen for a syringe + drawing pin + injecting pin.

Test E 300mg from the same source is about 7000 or 8000 yen iirc.

That source also does cash on delivery to a Japanese address (you need to be there at the time to pay the postman).

According to a few anons in nippland you just have to pay premium for japenese syringe. Look around on the web I'm sure you'll find a syringe source, got to be better than dbol only for months.

Did you experience negative sides or require anything after using it to get back to normal.

The main argument here seems to be whether or not it has heavily negative side effects like dick loss of bitch tits. This guys says it doesnt; the other guy says it does.

Still, long term studies on any SARM have not been done, because they are way too new. Check again in 10 years. Why would you gamble your health on something like that when there are so many other substances with proven track records?? I don't get it.

Furthermore, hopefully, the reason people want to use PED is to significantly changed their physiques over time, because they need it, to be the best in the world in some sport, or to earn money from BB or fitness modeling.

Some short LGD cycles will do nothing for you long term if you have a goal like that, unless you gradually move to stronger stuff.. And if that was you plan anyway, just getting on the testo WOULD have been safer.

Just face it, nobody just does a few short LGD cycles and calls it a day. And if someone actually DID that, he is a retard, as it is completely pointless.

Shit is expensive man; I'd do that if I lived there, but I'm also leaving every other week for work to Korea.

Thanks for the information though, as I'd like to find an American company to hire me in Japan. Favorite place I've been.

If you're gonna be there then inject once a week? Again, fluctuations in levels must be much better than dbol only

I didn't get bloodwork after 2 months of the LGD; it was done when travelling and I maintained / made gains despite being 6'2 12% 225lbs. I went right back to 200mg Test, so I'm not sure.I didn't feel too bad only using LGD though.

google LGD + gyno

then google anavar + gyno

more hits on LGD, is my guess (didn't check)

The time spent finding domestic testosterone and pins, even with a known source, while working and being on the move doesn't make it worth it desu.

I think D-Bol can be ran long-term - I'll be able to switch right back to my Test-Cruise once I'm back home.

Only expensive compared to u.s.

Import sources are cheaper for steroids etc.

The pins are high priced compared to most other places yes, but at twice a week its still not much of a cost.

If my first raw import goes all well, Ill bring in a second and do some homebrewing of injectables.

>Every other week to Korea

If you're going to the same place each time, Id just keep a locked box somewhere etc to keep a set of pins and test etc at each location to avoid flying with it, since its not illegal in Korea either (always check specifics and foibles of the local law).

Source talk is allowed on 2chan's steroid thread.

Why don't we move to 8ch to avoid moderation here?

It's a superior forum in every respect except it's lack of user base

>8ch
maybe less mods but way more eyes watching, FBI runs that board. You talk about doing illegal steroids you're likely to get arrested on suspicion.

>Why don't we move to 8ch to avoid moderation here?
>lack of user base

You answered your own question

You don't know what the fuck 8ch is its servers are in the Philippines