Are power cleans a meme?

then is there any point in doing power cleans? because from the book it gave me the impression that that was the only reason... improving your vertical jump

high pulls and snatch-grip deadlifts are better for upper back hypertrophy in my experience

>because from the book it gave me the impression that that was the only reason... improving your vertical jump

It does, just not to a major degree. Its also for training speed of the floor. Which helps the deadlift and squat.

Heavy dumbell rows beats anything for upper back hyperthrophy in my experience.

They're not, but hang snatch pulls are defo better, easier and safer.

thanks it's more clear now, I will re read that section to make sure I completely understand.

that's bullshit and we both know it

if a 660lb deadlift was achievable for """"most""" people, you would see 660lb deadlifts much more often

PCs only have carryover to deadlifts if you are a good cleaner and terrible deadlifter, otherwise they're too different in poundages used

same with squat

doing PC for carryover to other lifts doesn't make much sense really, variants of those lifts would carry over much more

The problem is really just that most people don't have the will, knowledge or want to progress to more advanced programming, or they switch to ineffective roider programs like Smolov.

I mean even George Seeger, genetic dead end and cuckold porn enthusiast can pull over 300kg.

Just do speed pulls with 50% of your Deadlift max. It has the same effect as cleans without having to learn the technique. Unless you have a coach or you've recorded yourself for hours doing clean, I highly doubt your form is good.

Isley is a GDE at squat and bench, but a gifted deadlifter

and he's still not far past 300kg after 10 years

so no, most people don't have a chance in hell of ever hitting that number, and that's just reality

No you wouldn't, because """"""""most""""""" people don't go to the gym, let alone regularly train deadlifts in a serious manner.

I said it was achieveable, not easy. The vast majority of people dont even have the dedication to simply not be overweight. Which is easy, yet we have an obesity problem.

not the person you are replying to, but I mean, sure it takes time to achieve that, but I don't see why it's not achievable. Most people go to the gym because they want to look good, they go for size, for dem muscles. They give up after a couple of months because their goals are shit. To notice any actual difference you need to train for months, and you need to have a good program. Strength however, you can see the difference week by week, so it's a good goal to have. Anyone doing strength training can achieve a heavy deadlift if they train and eat properly. It might take years, but eventually they will.

literally 3 years of disciplined lifting, some knowledge about your body and respectable lifestyle

What about Filip then? Not really anything special genetically, just a hard worker.

You gain the strength increase from doing every other compound to progress on them and then your pc will still end up being shit. Rip only put them in the book to make the program appeal to coaches doing entry level athletic training. Average joe will only have heard of them because hes doing ss and should have dumped them and added rows.

just power clean to set up for OHPs

it feels GOOD

I the only power cleans I do are when I clean the bar to OHP instead of pressing from the rack, which I recommend everyone do

Only way to do it.

Why fuck up your hand position just to do a 1plate clean.

Just reposition your grip when you're in the front rack position?

That being said, it's not without a reason that oly lifters jerk of the rack is higher than their clean and jerk. You pre-exhaust yourself with the clean and limit your performance on your press.

That matters a hell of a lot more with the jerk than with a strict press. It's a much heavier, much more leg-driven movement compared to pressing where even most bros can retard up their press max no worries.

>most people don't go to the gym

how is that relevant when you're talking about seeing a 300kg deadlift? you are obviously already at the gym, seeing a selection of the population that does go to the gym

even among serious regulars that I see going to the gym and deadlifting for literally years (been at the same gym for 4 years), I have never seen close to 300kg deadlifted

are you basing this on your years of experience, or on something you think should be true? this sounds like something a hopeful novice/intermediate would say

xD

talentchads out

That's true. My clean is around 75kg (I don't have the best technique) and I can easily powerclean 1pl8 to do my working sets for OHP, but I still prefer the rack. I just feel like I'm preexhausting myself and phsychee plays a big role in lifting, especially when you get close to your maxes.

psychee*

Probably my favorite exercise but do a full clean. Never understood the point of a power clean. It's like doing a half squat.

I did them in HS as they were part of our football training regimen then went about 10 years never doing them. Gave it a shot last year when I was 28 and the flexibility it creates, upper back strength, grip strength, and explosiveness is GOAT. I still do deadlifts too but cleans are better for the posterior chain and anyone who disagrees is just a power lifting fatty with no flexibility

>implying I didn't see OP's digits

Literally a deadlift, high pull, and front squat in one exercise. Not a meme.

That would only be true if power cleans were easier (in terms of strength/power, not technique) than full cleans. Which really isn't the case.

>The problem is really just that most people don't have the will

No, most people just don't give a shit about having a 660 lb dead lift.

>let me go spend a fortune on either food and become a stronk fatass or spend a fortune on steroids and become a bald, stonk meathead with no friends

>mfw unironically too intelligent for this board
I'm going back to /sp/ for real discussions about sports and fitness

>implying discipline is common
>implying people are gym autists like guys here
>implying everybody has enough luck to avoid fuckups and snapcity
>implying 300kg dl is a common goal, most people don't give a fuck
>implying most people don't have a fucked up mindset like your "it's impossible reeeeee" goofy ass

do you deadlift 300kg?

do you deadlift 300kg?

no, but if my calculations are correct and nothing traumatic happens, I'll do it by next summer

be here and you'll see the webm with success or failure, no kidding

no, I pull 575 @ 215lbs right now

it's a god damn long road to 660, and I'm nowhere near a genetic dead end when it comes to deadlifting

for someone who isn't built to deadlift like I am, and has average strength genetics? 660 is outside of their reach

i appreciate your anything is possible attitude, i really do man, but it's just not reality

plenty of people can pull 660, some of them got there with relative ease, but those are not "most" people

realistically most people will flounder in the mid 500s until they snap something or burn out

what can you pull right now, and at what bodyweight?

215kgs at 83 kgs, classic stance

unless you are extremely talented, you won't get anywhere near 300kg by next summer

making the classic early intermediate mistake of extrapolating your current progress way into the future, I did the same thing and thought I would be pulling 700 by now (getting up to 405 was a breeze)

Well I always had an easy progress on deadlift and quite a shitty squat. But right now I'm recovering for more than half a year from severe leg trauma (ankle, shin, knee and hamstring) and I'm running a customized routine with 5/3/1 on big lifts and it's going smooth slow and steady - so you understand my high hopes. Anyway, getting 300 kgs is by no means easy, but I'm pretty fucking sure most people can eventually achieve it natty.

same exact deal as me, I always had a really easy time with deadlifts and a hard time with squats (extra long femurs, arms)

but you wouldn't believe how fast that progress levels off when you get into the 500s

gl hopefully you actually do it, if not you should still pull something good by then

300kg is exceptionally difficult and most people who deadlift 300 and over are on hormones.

Progress will get painfully slow after about 250 on the deadlift, trust me. You will see yourself

To put this in perspective: In the old strongman era (so pre-steroids), a ~700lb deadlift would've put you amongst the elite.

Most people ain't got it in em to be that good.

Understood and thanks - nevertheless by july/august/september next year watch the catalogue, I wonder myself how long I can push this actually.

Hi paradice

you've come to a board where people unironically do powerlifting man. What did you expect?

These are people who's hobby is to lift heavy shit slowly in a predetermined range of motion.
and they do this for fun.

You seriously expect people like that to have any sort of intelligence.

>mfw completely stopped doing deadlifts in favor of cleans and power cleans

Am I the only one? Cleans just feel so much more enjoyable and athletic to do

Its opposite for me. I feel a lot stronger picking the weight up from the ground, hoisting it to my chest, then throwing the weight above me. As far as wearing yourself out quicker, you only have to worry about that unless you are pressing some champion-tier weight lol. Another plus in cleaning the weight to you is that it helps your lats nice tight position to help give you a nice shelf to press from

>only do clean and jerks
>320 lbs clean and jerk
>barely 390 lbs deadlift

1 in ten guys can lift more than me in the deadlift

no one in my gym can even come close to my cleans

deadlift is a stupid ego lift

Everyone on this board can deadlift more than you

but nice CJ tho. Post back

No. They are fun and doing them hanged builds your traps. People will be impressed if you can power clean 300lbs at least.

Took me 1.7 years to reach a 250-260kg deadlift at 105kg @194cm.

>i'm bad at it, therefore it's a stupid ego lift!

how about you just learn how to deadlift?

I am not bad at it, I never train it and see no point in doing so.

It is a stupid ego lift. If you want to claim you can lift a weight pick it up from the floor and put it over your head.

Your low bar 90 degree strict squats and your rainbow arch bench presses are also shit.

also it was a deficit snatch grip dead. I don't know how much I would lift for a normal deadlift.

you deadlift 390lbs, so you are weaker than I was at 16 years old

>lowbar and arch back bench

nice assumptions pal

you're a fag, i hope you drop that c&j on your head and die

It's a fun exersise but not really needed for most people.

I'm a weightlifters so I do powercleans all the time. But not the way Rip has "taught" it.

Good lift for sports conditioning, very unnecesary for physique/weightlifting strengh development

Just recently taught myself how to do them. The funnest lift IMO. Any of you guys ever try power clean and push press as a combo? Seems like if you throw in squats and rows after it would be a great full body routine.

>Very unnecessary for weightlifting

please go away

try snatching, the lockout in an ohs is more satisfying

Mind you though it took me a great deal of time just to get my technique decent and I'm still working on it, so my progress in numbers isn't as fast

Unless you will be doing power cleans at your competition power cleans are useless. power cleans are not going to help your other lifts very much

This. I can power snatch 135lbs, but when I tried to do Overhead Squats with it I lost my fucking balance. I can barely do 90lbs for 5 reps but my lockout feels so much more secure.

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