ITT: Unpopular Veeky Forums related opinions

I mean I don't think its an unpopular opinion but

>only losers and dumb cunts do powerlifting

wrong again

I do full body then two-days rest which I spend on Veeky Forums, then I work out again then two days off. It's okay.

Did SL for some months as absolute beginner, bench and ohp often overlapped. Personally I can give my all to a max of 3 compounds, then my intensity fades.
Helped me a lot for noob gains and learn proper form.

>Squats are a meme

Since I stopped benching, squatting and deadlifting I'm more aesthetic than I have ever been. It's all about isolation exercises if you want to look strong and don't care about being strong. The only time a barbell should ever be in your hands is if you're doing The Press.

whats your routine then? enlighten us idiot

what lifts do you....

>Veeky Forums always complains about not progressing on OHP when they do it immediately after benching

push pull legs is dumb

at least alternate between doing OHP first and benching first every push workout.

Key Pokes xF

>PPL's are only really good if you're 100% in; diet, sleep and heavy lifting. Even then it's only minimally better
>SL/SS is a meme memes are started by people who don't lift; newfags who didn't lurk believed them
>Trappy mostly gets flak from non lifters
>Cheekie mostly gets flak from literal virgins
>SL/SS is good, but must have accessories; the ones included in the book/program are fucking retarded though. Should be tailored to a trainees desires. Want big traps? Do shrugs. Cookie cutter add ons are retarded
>Sips are the funniest shit I've seen for a long time
>The majority of Veeky Forums don't lift or are beginners; and the actual heavy lifters are either /frauds/ or left due to autism
>Veeky Forums should be accompanied by /out/ activites; doing manly (or womanly) shit like climbing mountains, hunting and fishing shit and building cabins and camps
>Functional strength is a meme; it's no different from regular strength
>That being said, most people who lift don't train stabilizing muscles
>Nofap isn't a meme; just reddit cultists took it to meme proportions. In reality, there's nothing wrong with trying to cut out fapping when it becomes unpleasurable or takes over too much free time. Taking 3-4 days of not fapping is only beneficial
>Veganism isn't really that environmental; if you really gave a shit about where your food came from, you'd be doing small scale urban farming and supplementing your diet with homegrown shit
>Height helps in being attractive; it is by no means vital
>It's possible to not look good and give decent advice; it's also possible to look good and give shit advice

>tripfag sympathizer

Oh boy.

If you are 6'1 or above it's literally impossible to not look DYEL unless you are roiding

Been running this for three months. It's actually a great program. Give it a shot, I've made a lot of strength gains on it. That's what I moved to after SS.

PPL
Push:
The Press
Dumbell chest press
Tricep pulldowns
Lateral Raise
Cable Flies
Tricep extensions w/ rope on cables

Pull:
Lat pulldown
Dumbell row
Dumbell bicep curls
Standing lat pulldown
1 arm lat pulldown
Bicep curls w/ cable machine
Face pulls

Legs
Leg extensions
Leg curls
Calf raise
Generic ab workout

I'm sure a bunch of autistic fitfags will tell me this routine is shit but I've made good size gains despite this being my third year of training.

>tfw most of Veeky Forums can't fathom giving full intensity to two upper body compounds because they're all dyels and have 0 muscular endurance
>tfw Veeky Forums doesnt train any core because of muh skwats
>tfw Veeky Forums is probably your horny nephew who masturbates to pictures of Dana Linn Bailey in his mother's bedroom while wearing her clothes.

thanks, that is reassuring.
did you do 3x8-12 on everything or bump the reps down?
3x5 seems more appealing to me but I'm unsure which is better for a beginner

i think 3x5 is good
look up coolcicada ppl for a decent one

PPL with intensity on the first day of the week hitting a muscle and more volume on the second time is the best for me. I wish I tried it earlier.

this

I do PPL, without the "L".

now what

you have a tiny wiener

> Zyzz' heart was in the right place, but the onslaught of cancerous aestheticsfags he spawned has done more harm than good
> curls are a meme, you can work your biceps enough from rows and pullups
> SL is superior to SS in every way and is the only routine a beginner should be doing

My bench and ohp pr are from the same day.

It's not much at 275 and 195 but it is a pr. And then I do weighted dips.
That same day I did 185 on ohp before my quad locked up for 3. Then I tried 205, then I tried 200, then I did 195. I also did 275 twice on bench because the first one was inches from my chest.

Flat bench might hinder it a little bit, but incline right fucks it.

As long as you're progressing in weight workout to workout, your 1rm will go up. That might not be your true 1rm for ohp, but if you're always doing bench and ohp on the same day, it doesn't matter.

Give yourself an adequate rest period and if you're strong enough you should be fine

It's great if you only have three days out of the week if you can lift.

y-y your head looks almost as big as your entire torso?

are you an honest to god midget?

Kek, if you saw some of the stuff I called cutetomato or that Sol autist you wouldn't be calling me a sympathizer. Trappy had a specific function (spoonfeeding noobs) and only got annoying when drama was caused. Cheekie is fkn hilarious and I'd hazard a guess she spends more time without a trip than with one.

Tripfags are fine on a board like Veeky Forums where progress is kinda a big thing. Keyword being in "moderation".

I like cheekie. And I want her to bully/ tease me.

im 5'11".
also weird you say that because i have a small head.

Trappy is and was a huge faggot who thought he was always right even when he was blatantly right, and used attention whoring photos and pics to divert attention away from topics.

And he acted like he wasn't trying to attention whore when he fucking pretended to be a girl and made sure everyone knew that in every post.

The guy pretended to be a tranny on a fitness board. What about that seems right to you?

The idea of trappy... well without being a trap, and helping new lifters is a solid idea. The problem is Raffy executed it terribly and stepped on everyone's heels to try and tell them how wrong they were when the reality is he can't read properly.

The funniest thing is he would tell the powerlifting tripfags they were wrong and doing something wrong when it turns out he could only deadlift sub 3plates with terrible form.

>strength~=size in a calorie surplus
>sips are a rip-off, you can get preworkout powders with more caffeine per serving (plus other good shit) that cost less per serving
>PPL is inferior to full body 3x a week done properly (ie not SS) for natty size gains due to its lower frequency
>powerlifting as a sport is as bad as bodybuilding and has also deteriorated a lot since its "golden age", modern fat powerlifters who rely on equipment and use bare minimum ROM are as bad as modern bodybuilders who have distended, swollen guts from slin abuse and claim they only ever do high rep isolation movements and don't need to get stronger to get bigger
>there is nothing wrong with using clen or DNP to make cuts shorter provided you can handle and manage the sides and know how to cut without them
>people who get far with PEDs are still impressive
>almost no one on Veeky Forums has been lifting for more than 3 years and there is almost nothing of value here for anyone who's been lifting more than a year outside of /plg/ and /fraud/
>looks matter when it comes to getting women but muscle mass makes up less of the equation than Veeky Forums thinks
>IIFYM is self sabotage in the long run, you're better off eating 80+% clean even if you're slightly off with your calories and macros
>acceptable form with heavy weight is better than perfect form with less weight
>masturbating, alcohol and recreational drugs in moderation are unlikely to noticeably hinder your progress
>the same things don't work for everyone, genetics is a huge factor in how you respond to nutrition, training and drug use and what applies for some people might not for you and vice versa
>CICO and macros aren't all that matter for body composition, glycemic load and TEF matter too
>the only especially impressive things about Zyzz' physique were genetically determined like insertions and muscle bellies, his actual size and conditioning (especially considering the drugs he used) are good but not as good as people seem to think

LOL epic

>tfw i got kicked out of the Veeky Forums discord because I bullied too many people for being dyels filled with degeneracy

>how the fuck can you expect to go hard on OHP

Uh, you don't. If you don't even understand how to periodize a PPL properly, you shouldn't be posting advice on Veeky Forums, period.

*blatantly wrong

Also him getting into arguments with that honestpt is hilarious in retrospect considering he also pretended to coach so many people to get massive lifts.

Trappy was just a big ego delusional lying attention whore.

We all do user. We all do

Yeah, you've got me there, and I'm still butthurt over when Trappy was trying to tell noobs that they should follow some guide for rest breaks, which was clearly retarded. I was one of the people who spoke out against the Trappy attempt at a new sticky. I believe my words were along the lines of "that's retarded".

But I generally gave him points for at least trying to help out noobs. There aren't that many people on Veeky Forums who do that anymore, and I'm intermediate at best, so I don't feel qualified myself.

It was pretty hilarious seeing him get btfo'd by other tripfags though, but I laugh my ass off at all tripfag on tripfag action.

my head is way too small for my body so i can only train so much or i'll look completely and utterly retarded.

>you can get a perfectly good workout without needing to do any kind of power lifting.
If getting huge and stronger is your goal yeah it's great for that, but if you're just losing weight, it's fine to start small with dumbell exercises and shit.

I agree with that. It's a stupid meme.

I actually tried it exactly once and I felt sick halfway through my workout and had to stop for a few minutes before I could continue. The crash was awful and I felt depressed and like garbage for a couple of days after while my body readjusted.

Do you think you would need to build a strong base before doing this routine? I'm a DYEL. I half assed SS a couple years ago and all I had to show for it was big legs. Also how long does it take each day?

Sipposters incoming

No fap IS a meme.
Anyone normal knows you should take a break if your fapping is like an addiction but the retards pulling months without it because they think they're gonna bust a huge load when all they're gonna do is cum instantly and make the girl laugh at them.

Porn builds unrealistic expectations for sexual encounters but fapping is healthy and natural.

>PPL has good volume
Based on this , you average intermediate to advanced powerlifting or weightlifting program has more volume in one workout than these things have in a week.

>Porn builds unrealistic expectations for sexual encounters

the trick is to get a lot of money and hire porn stars or quality whores to fuck. You can even show them the videos you like and pretty much live that shit. Get your life together.

This. Insisting on not fapping can also become an obsession and unhealthy. Most animals who're able to fap, fap occasionally. If you force yourself not to fap when you're really horny, you're just blueballing yourself.

Trappy's site in general was hilarious because you know it was a blatant attempt to be THE source of information. That's also why he helped people, because he wanted to be the guy who people learned from. Which was obvious back then, but even more obvious as time went on. He wanted people to listen to what he has to say, no one else.

That being said, again he would have been a lot better with less ego and less pretending to be a tranny, because he was a great starting off point for people. He didn't have more infor than a simple google search, but he did have the infor directed towards you in a convenient package.

It's a shame a better person doesn't take up his mantle. More people need help here and no one wants to help. Or they don't want to listen too... which might have sullied people's interactions with newbies

I was an intermediate lifter when I started - so a strength base would probably help. But after your first year or so of lifting, unless you are a strength athlete there is literally no reason to keep doing compounds if your goal is aesthetics.

Mirin' the pec line, mind telling me what chest exercises you do?

Oh and it takes me 45 mins - 1 hour for 4 sets of each exercise. No fucking about with long rest in between. Also do 20 mins cardio after each session if you have the time.

It doesn't look like it would take too long at all. Without all the big heavy compounds it should cut down on how much rest you need. And it should tax you less.

Nothing in there looks difficult. It'd be the weight you choose to use which is the difference maker.

Hammer curls are superior to regular curls in every way.

Im Matty and 6'2" and everybody tells me that I look jacked without me talking about lifting in the first place. You either have shit genetics, don't train/eat/sleep enough, or haven't trained for enough years. Stop talking out of your ass.

Also the legs workout is shit.

I'd say switch leg press in for leg extensions.

Add in hip thrusts or glute bridges and take out lying leg curls.

Add in good mornings, or hyperextensions if you don't want another hammy/glute exercise.

You should always train your lower back to some degree. You might not be deadlifting or whatever, but it will help throughout life.

*natty

Is your name Matty at least?

nothing special, i do lots of incline work. incline benchpress, incline DB press, shoulder DB press which is basically incline too.

no flys.
here and there i throw in some flatbench DB press..

The other guy isn't me...But I do the rep scheme they outline. 3x8-12 on the accessories. Otherwise there's no point. Accessory exercises don't respond like compounds do and that's not the point of them.

What's hot in porn isn't always fun in life. Derpthroat hurts if you don't have a floppy nigger dick. You bend that shit at like 45 degrees

Shhh. You're going to destroy Veeky Forums virgins illusions.
Also, hard anal without prior cleansing will end up in a shitstorm, litteraly.

retard

>push1 (heavy bench, volume ohp)
>push2 (heavy ohp, volume bench)

easy

>chest acne
not natty

> Worrying about the tastes of others
Could make it, but still one of the lower goats on the mountain.

noob here. who is Trappy and Cheekie? thanks.

As a sipper, this is true. You're better off using actual pre, cuban coffee, or caffiene pills.

Training for strength and hypertrophy isn't mutually exclusive, but your training style can prioritize one over the other.

>SL/SS is good if you don't do the program

LOL HAHAHAHAHAHA

Trappy gave good advice, and SS is miles better than SL

for strength ppl is good
for aesthetics I would do brosplit
still on full body routine I made decent gains and it takes way less time than a brosplit

I thought this is what everyone did?
It only makes sense
You have to be really dumb to think 100% of people who do ppl bench first both push days

>veganism isn't environmental
>saving hundreds if not over 1000 gallons of water each day by not eating meat isnt environmental
T. Not even a vegan, work in AG

I...

>takes breath

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