What's is best ideology for you Democracy? fascism? Socialism? Comunism? Anarchy? etc... and why?

is it really Veeky Forums unless there's 4 goddamn shitty "muh ideology" threads at once?

>You have to argue better. Because a stable and outstandig development of China is a commonly accepted fact.
Forwhat? I didn't deny their development.

>Incidentally, they did significantly better with both protectionism, ecology and general wealth than other backwater
What do you mean bythat? How did they better than say the catch up of Ireland or East Germany after the fall?
And again what part ofthe chinese system do you credit with that? Sorry if I sound dismissive. I'm not but these threads are ridden with vague platitudes.

Look man if you can't even accept the obvious and basic aspect of our reality that China has engineered the most impressive growth and improvement in history over the past two decades, we can't really have a discussion on this.

Fascist autocracy ruled by 1000000 IQ AI

>Look man if you can't even accept the obvious and basic aspect of our reality that China has engineered the most impressive growth
Can you read? I asked what part of the chinese system you credit withthat rather than the population andconditions.

>we can't really have a discussion
Probably for the better.

Their merging of state and corporate power for the collective good. Their patriotism and devotion to the good of their nation.

You seem upset.

>Hybrid of American and China
The entire planet will be covered in concrete in 20 years.
>The corporations should ultimately be submissive to the people's will.
Corporations shouldn't exist then. They are private command economies, how do you even think that is possible?

About what?

State owned and/or controlled

>Their merging of state and corporate power for the collective good.
Inwhat form does that manifest itself and how does this positively influence theirgrowth beyond what is tobe expected by corporate power and state power for themselves.
>Their devotion to the good of their nation.
Who their? The party? The population? Remember that we specifically talk about the systems. I don't doubt that selfless national-oriented leaders are positive but you can have those and a lack of those in every system.

Do you honestly think the state is answerable to the people it governs?
Its not, this is especially true in china and China's actions internationally.

A lot of it comes down to the state being able to direct their society by having more control over the economy rather than it largely being determined by the actions of private and independent groups with their profit as their primary goal.

So you credit government control over the economy? If that would be the case why wasn't the success recreated in other socialist countries and why did the chinese economic growth increase with less government regulation?

Have you ever heard of tibet, Zimbabwe, or China's international fisheries?
State and private bureacracies work exactly the same. Large scale protest against corporate-state crimes are frequently repressed in china.
You want to take the worst aspects of the two most criminal countries in existence and combine them. It makes no sense. You must be thinking of some sort of idealized version of how these work. The way those economies work in real life is very different

Democracy isn't an ideology, its a form of government. Ideologies are lenses by which we see the world.
Its like saying Fascism is Dictatorship, you are thinking of Liberalism

>ideology
>good

>How did they better than say the catch up of Ireland or East Germany after the fall?
Comparison between China and either East Germany or Ireland doesn't make sense at all. They were decades, not centuries behind in development. East Germany was completely integrated by one of the richest countries in the world.
China can be compared with other Asian and African states, in particular India.

What is the strength of Chinese state?

First, an influx of extremely talented, motivated and devoted individuals, which is the first generation of every revolution.

Second, a unique meritocratic system, in which every administrator has to start at the bottom, and gradually get promoted as his efficiency is tested in practice.

Third, a scientific approach to governance, which allows all possible political and economic solutions to be tested and experimented with small scale before applying them large scale.

General things that are important for republic: transition of power, collective leadership, guiding ideology that declares aims and values that the general populace agrees and that are achieved reasonably well.

Democracy isn't a form of government. It is a property of an actual state, that may or may not be present no matter how its government styles itself.

The property is simply defined: A collective decision making is democratic if it is based on individual opinions of its' members about the issue in equal measure.

Anarchy because all the evil it causes is self inflicted while governments will always enrich those in charge at the expense of everyone else

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National Transhumanism.

About my first post apparently

Some form of direct democracy at municipal level. Some form of representative government at regional level.
Some form of autocracy at global level.

Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology. A communist democracy would be a tricky thing to pull off, but would be the objectively best system.

Technically it’s both a form of government and a property states have to varying degrees.