Could WW1 have realistically been avoided in some way?

I don't like to speculate too much in alternate history but this has always made me think. You guys think The Great War was inevitable? Or could it have been avoided?

I think it was inevitable. Germany wanted to expand its influence in the world, at the cost of British and French influence. Austria-Hungary was a shit-storm waiting to break loose. Serbia along with all the other Slavic nations were the ones trying to break said shit-storm loose with Russia as their insurance. The other nations involved, saw it as a chance to gain new territory for themselves. While I don't believe that WW1 could have been avoided, I do believe that certain elements could have been removed. I suggest reading Grey Tide in The East. It's a what-if Germany focused on Russia instead of invading Poland to get to France scenario. An interesting read.

>invading Poland to get to France
nani?

No goyim wars are necessary to make you view the nationalistic world order as obsolete so you will gladly accept our global new world order with no nations at all :)

Willy, Georgie and Nickie were all cousins. They could have had a good ol' family reunion and hugged it out.

The only way it could have been avoided is if the nations at the time were willing to accept German dominance of the continent. It was clear that Germany was the most powerful country on the continent. They defeated France in the Franco-Prussian war, and the French still wanted revenge. They were light years ahead of tsarist Russia technologically and industrially and they beat them anyways in the eastern front, destroying the Russian empire in the process. If the Brits and consequently the Americans hadn't gotten involved the Germans would have dominated the continent and won the war if there even was one, but this was against the British concept of 'balance of power' to support different powers on the continent against one another. In order to preserve this concept of 'balance of power' there wouldn't certainly need to be world wars and millions would die.

By no means do I support the A*glos, but from a nations standpoint isn't keeping a 'balance of power' among your neighbors necessary to your own survival? If the war was just Germany and France and Germany demolished France, what would stop the Germans from expanding their borders further? What would have realistically stood in the way of the Germans taking over, be it militarily or diplomatically, all of Western Europe? From a nations standpoint the Brits were right to hold a 'balance of power' ideology but from what I know about them they weren't. Complicated stuff.

*Belgium
Sorry, if the Germans hadn't invaded Belgium, the British wouldn't have had much justification for joining the Entente.

Britain was already part of the Triple Entente long before that
Belgium was just the perfect pretext but their choice was already made

They would have had an even harder time selling it to the public though as well as the States.

I think even just something as achievable as Britain making its intentions unequivocally known that in the event of a war it would side with France and Russia would have gone a long way to tempering the rash behavior by Germany in the July Crisis which could have averted the whole war. What happens after that is pure speculation you can muse that German's insistence for a bigger seat at the table would have render war an inevitability but I'm not so sure a diplomatic solution was impossible.

WW1 being avoided or the various alliances being different is honestly a likely alt-history scenario.

>Germany could have been allies with Russia to fight British and French domination of Asia (they backed down)
>Germany and Britain relations could have been warmer had Germany not tried to play colonial and naval games
German and Britain relationship being warmer had Frederick III not died of cancer
>Austria-Hungary avoiding collapse and possibly becoming a federation had Franz Ferdinand's driver not taken a wrong turn

Both Germany and Austria were one man away from liberalization, Frederick the 3rd died of lung cancer before be could do enough and Franz Ferdinand was assassinated before he could become Emperor.

The entire thing is honestly a dark comedy of errors that pushed us towards WW1.

The English were unequivocally on the side of the Entente but their agreement to aid the French was by no means ironclad; they were in a position to stay neutral if they really wanted to. After all, what did Britain really stand to gain from WWI?

So in other words, if Willy wasn't a retarded manchild?

before russia joined it was avoidable

before germany joined it was 'avoidable'

before belgium was declared upon it was "avoidable"

Only way it wouldn’t have happened is if Germany stayed out of it, but they were so jazzed up from forming the empire they had to show everyone their dicks

>After all, what did Britain really stand to gain from WWI?
Keeping Germany from becoming the dominant power on the continent?

Bismarck is immortal and never sacked, making it so he's always in control of his insane Bismarckian Politics

>everything in history is a jewish plot
Why even bother coming here if you've already got it all figured out?

>The only way it could have been avoided is if the nations at the time were willing to accept German dominance of the continent.
I agree with this. Look at the EU, the countries that remain basically accept German Domination. No war.
>yfw if Germany had just extended its Zollverein to non-Germans, it would have made EU kneel without a shot

They amount of chances Germany had to not fuck this one up...

This didnt need to happen

Conrad von Hötzendorf started the war so that he would have a chance to impress a girl he met at a dinner party.

>After all, what did Britain really stand to gain from WWI?
They wanted to destroy Germany. They couldn't do it alone, so they pushed Russia and France to war, and then jumped in once they were committed.

>stormniggers in charge of having even a child's understanding of history

A diplomatic solution was possible, but Perfidious Albion publicly postured as disinterested, while privately assuring the French and Russians that they'd jump in later. It was dishonest, but they got the war they'd wanted.

The problem is, Germany was indeed the strongest nation in the SHORT time, but if the war didnt happened at all Russia would have become the economic superpower of the world before the mid century.

German military command wanted a war with Russia asap to avoid that at all cost

>After all, what did Britain really stand to gain from WWI?
From 1700-1950, British foreign policy can be summarized as "how do we prevent any other great power from building a larger navy than us"? Germany was coming uncomfortably close to building a fleet that could credibly threaten the Royal Navy. Also, France and Britain were getting along pretty darn well at this point, so it wasn't in Britain's interest to just sit back and watch France get mauled. It helped that Russia and Britain had reached an understanding in 1907, which meant that Britain was no longer so concerned about Russia and could focus more on worrying about Germany.

>A diplomatic solution was possible
Was it? By the time Britain actually got involved, the window of opportunity for a diplomatic solution was closed. Remember that the war started in the east and spread west as a result of the Schlieffen Plan, which called for an immediate invasion of France (through Belgium) in the event of a war with Russia. The moment Germany entered Belgium, any hope for a diplomatic solution was dead. The only way to have a diplomatic solution is if Wilhelm II and/or Nicholas II decide to delay mobilization and agree to find some compromise on the situation with Serbia. And that very well could have happened if not for Conrad von Hotzendorf, who utterly refused to slow down his invasion of Serbia to give Russia and Germany more time to talk things over. Conrad is the person who made the war an inevitability. His actions caused both Russia and Germany to panic and mobilize.

>By the time Britain actually got involved, the window of opportunity for a diplomatic solution was closed.
Which was exactly what Perfidious Albion had been working toward, France and Russia committed to war with Germany. Their plan worked to perfection. They got the war with Germany that their entire diplomatic effort had been geared toward.

You're not describing the situation that actually occurred in the East. Russia mobilized against Germany, which is an act of war. Had the Russians not committed this act of war against Germany, Perfidious Albion might not have gotten the war they'd wanted.

Ban usury. Got any more brain busters?

No because everyone wanted a war.

>Russia mobilized against Germany
No, Russia mobilized against Austria because of Conrad's refusal to even entertain the possibility of a compromise regarding Serbia. Then Germany was forced to decide whether to side with Russia or Austria, and they picked Austria. The war would have been 100% preventable if not for Conrad von Hötzendorf. Both Kaiser Wilhelm and Czar Nicholas expressed interest in some sort of compromise regarding Serbia. It was Conrad's insistence on attacking Serbia immediately that made the war happen. If he'd been willing to delay, even for just a few more weeks, to give Russia and Germany some time to talk things over, the war very likely would not have happened.

False. Russia mobilized against Germany. This is an act of war. This isn't really a debatable point, lad.

>Russia mobilized against Germany.
Russia mobilized against Austria. Germany could have, and probably should have, declared neutrality.
>This is an act of war.
No, it isn't. Merely mobilizing troops for a probable war against Austria is not an act of war against Germany.

The German empire has no rights to exist and it will have to die

WWI was meant to collapse the ottoman empire to begin the construction of Israel, and also destroy the Austro-Hungarian Empire and weaken Germany greatly. One could say it was the zionist first attempt to fuck up whitey.

>court arabs to overthrow the automans
>try the hardest to keep russia on the war
>kikes fought for the kaiserreich and the dual monarchy
>itsa zionist i tell ya

The jews best trick is funding both sides so no one suspects hes the actual enemy.

Fuck off mason scum you’re trying to use disinfo to lay off the blame

>haha lol why didn't Britain just roll over and let another country gain total donination what were they thinking??!

>Russia mobilized against Austria.
And Germany. This is an act of war. As mentioned, this isn't a debatable point, lad. It happened. Educate yourself.

Yeah, by not cucking Bismarck out of his unique position or by not allowing him to weave his diplomatic webs in the first place.

Brit island monkeys do not even belong to the mainland, why the fuck should they care? Getting involved in WWI left them without their colonial clay, getting involved in WWII left them at the border of economical collapse and now they are nothing but a shadow of their former self.
To answer your rhetorical question, yes, they should have rolled over tend to their huge empire instead of draining themselves in a war that did not bemefit them in the least like retards.

>getting involved in WW1 left them without colonial clay
they were at their biggest extant during 1922 dear
>letting any continental power gain control is a good idea
thank god you are some worthless sod rather than a statesman then

>This is an act of war.
Merely getting soldiers ready for a possible war against Austria is not an act of war against Germany. And if Conrad had simply waited for the diplomats to do their jobs, neither Russia nor Germany would have felt compelled to mobilize. Hötzendorf started the war.

Bismark died in 1898.

Mobilizing your army never was an act of war, retard. Did the crates in the army warehouses have a "Bullets for Hans" stamp on them? Is the mobilization of the German army before kicking Polands ass instead of Belgium first also considered a war act?
Very much a debateable point nigger. Kys desu.

You are heavily implying that without the brits the world could not have handled the Germans, which is not necessarily true. Especially considering the brits were only good as target practice at the beginning of the war and keeping the German navy in check, which was only there to oppose the brits in the first place.

>they were at their biggest extent during 1922 dear

And that proves what exactly? Does not change the fact that they crumbled at all corners by that point and current UK is a quite evident proof.

the cracks only started to really show until WW2 dear,when Japan shows that colonial power might not be able to protect their colonies and people started to know that their subjugators are not invincible after all
Yes they didn't partake much early on,but they mobilized 8 million men by the end of the war,only slightly less than France
They had all the reason to get embroiled in a Europe War

If they wanted war they should have stuck in 1905

struck*

You're ignoring the British blockade and the devastating impact that it had on the German war effort, especially during the later years of the war.

they needed some Balkan bullshit first so that Bismarck can be correct

Lad, Russia mobilizing against Germany is an act of war against Germany. This isn't a debatable point. It happened. Educate yourself.

>Mobilizing your army never was an act of war, retard.
Mobilizing your army against another country has ALWAYS been an act of war, retard.

This isn't a debatable point. KYS, retard.

im so sorry sweethearts but if Russia mobilizing means they're going to war than why does g*rmany have the need to declare war to them

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The root of the war was the Serbian situation, and the Serbian situation didn't require a war to resolve it. Even Wilhelm II thought that Austria was being really unreasonable about the whole thing, but he got suckered into helping Austria anyway because his generals talked him into it. Austria and Russia could have worked something out, and both Kaiser Wilhelm and Czar Nicholas expressed interest in a compromise to avert war. The only reason that it escalated into a war is because Hötzendorf wanted it to, and deliberately manipulated events to ensure that it would. He wanted a war so he would have an opportunity to impress a girl that he met at a dinner party a few years earlier. It's true.

You gotta admit, NO ONE would see it coming!

>im so sorry sweethearts
Yes, you are sorry, faggot. Your post is unintelligible.

War is caused when nations make acts of war. When Russia mobilized against Germany, that was an act of war by Russia against Germany. The End.

Yes, let's just ignore Austria and Serbia. It's not like the July Crisis revolved around them, or anything like that.

Wilhelm only had two things to do

>Whatever he did, Germany should be allied with two of the five powers
>Be in good terms with Russia

He was family with the king of britain and the tsar, and, if he didn't start the naval race with Nicky, he could have maintained the balance if power.

>Lol just never build a navy
>Implying that's even a fucking option for a great power

There is no such think as diplomatic solutions with Germans

Just fire bomb them

if I can beat Britain with nothing but 50 steam transports in Vicky 2, shouldn't be that hard for Willy.

Nothing is being ignored, brainlet, other than your ignorance of Russia committing an act of war against Germany.