Can you really claim USA lost the Vietnam War when they achieved their main goal of preventing communism from spreading...

Can you really claim USA lost the Vietnam War when they achieved their main goal of preventing communism from spreading throughout SEA?

yes
read more books about it instead of trying to validate your ignorance by mingling among the ignorant

No. The goal of the Vietnam War was to prevent communism from spreading to the entirety of Vietnam. The US did not achieve this, and communism ended up spreading throughout both Vietnam and Cambodia. You could claim that the USA's general policy in the region in regards to communism paid off in the long run, but the Vietnam War was an undeniable failure.

Also Laos.

>moving the goalposts

Only if you can attribute the non-expansion to American war efforts. Given how American actions in Vietnam directly led to communist regimes sprouting up in Cambodia and Laos, that's really a hard claim to substantiate.

It's more complicated than it is presented.

They won the war militarily, forcing North Vietnam to come to the peace table.

Then, having won, they left.

So three years later North Vietnam broke the treaty and invaded, overrunning South Vietnam too quickly for anyone to do anything.

Since South Vietnam ultimately fell, masters of hindsight therefore claim the Amerisharts lost despite having been undefeated and forcing their opponent to make peace.

With their logic Britain lost WWI because German retook the Rhineland and remilitarised it.

>Three years
You're not even trying

I asked my dad if he won the war in Vietnam and he says no. He's still a bit salty about the whole thing I guess. He watched his best friend jump out of a helicopter from several thousand feet and wakes up screaming every month or so. I'm note even sure victory would have been worth what he goes through. If a country is dumb enough to fall for communism, then fuck it let them starve and be culturally reeducated and spend eternity in a mas grave. No need for us to get all flustered about dinky gooks wanting to be soviet puppets.

Vietnam seems to be doing pretty well

It took China's way out via the Doi Moi policy.

>they won the war militarily
Wars are fought for a purpose, you stupid motherfucker, the purpose in Vietnam was to prevent communist forces from taking territory, they failed, and eventually the communists took over, if Britain went to war with germany in order to prevent the remilitariastion of the rhine land, and then eventually after getting bogged down made peace later, with germany partially remilitarizing the rhineland, and then fully remilittarizing it, Britain lost the war, even if Britain managed to take the entirety of german, if killing the enemy is not condusive to the political goal then death count is meaningless, enemies are killed because they prevent to goal from being achieved, the commuists in vietnam successfully prevented the goal from being achieved.

It's a shithole, it's doing well by communist shithole standards.

???

chill out, sperglord, you don't need to be angry over being wrong

>wrote several letters to the president of the US to ask for help
>fuck off we will fund the frog so they could recolonize your shithole
>BTFO frog, now trying to do it the "free world" way through voting
>fuck you there won't be any voting my puppet wins by default
>endured years of napalm and agent orange and bombs to unite the country
>fuck you I will fund Pol Pot so he could fuck up your shithole
And Americans still think they were right

retard, the whole reason we were involved in the first place was because the frogs threatened to leave nato for the soviets if we didnt help. we couldnt take that risk so early in the cold war.

So? According to your logic Soviet would fall anyway, frog would fix themselves since nobody liked Stalin

*south vietnam falls*
*laos falls*
*cambodia falls*
hmmmm

01/73: peace accords signed
08/73: US effectively completes withdrawal from Vietnam
10/73: Vietcong resume operations
01/74: South Vietnam declares the war has begun again
04/75: South Vietnam is dissolved

Three years indeed

But do they hate Stalin more than they love socialism? Of course not, this is the French we are talking about. They would rather have 30% youth unemployment than move away from socialism.

>france
>socialist
ameriburgers everyone

it was a fucking quagmire
it's been to blame the frogs for fucking up in Indochina

The Left wing French party is called the socialist party and there was a big split off last election because they werent socialist enough. Yes, France is a socialist country.

>Vietnam goes full commie
>Laos goes commie
>Cambodia falls to the most brutal communist regime in history, thanks to US intervention
Fuck off, burgerscum. Your misbegotten kind has brought nothing but suffering to the region

Yeah damn those Americans peddling communism all over Asia. Oh wait that was Russia and China.

>Cambodian king tries to stay neutral, so does Laos
>US decides to fuck their shit up anyway because muh Ho Chi Minh trail and because they literally can't stop bombing civilians
>Cambiodian United Front/ Khmer Rouge and Pathet Lao gain lot of traction thanks to this and take over both countries
WE GUD BOYZ, IT'S DA EBUL CHINKS N SOVIETS

Why are these
*bombs you*
Communist
*sprays you with agent orange*
Asian
*napalms your village*
Countries
*kills millions of your people*
such
*occupies your country for 20 years*
shitholes?

Must be the Russians

So this is the power of American education.

Don't forget Cambodia.

>the goal was to stop communism from spreading
>implying the real goal wasn't to ensure that France didn't lose it's colonial puppet in Asia.

To be fair, that king was a fucking idiot by declaring he wants to exterminate Vietnamese in the South (classic we wuz Cham n shiet) no matter who won the war. Forcing the burgers to kick his ass.

At least the French managed to teach the Americans the ins and outs of smuggling heroin to fund operations without the governments knowledge

And America has a party called the Democratic Party, and Germany had the National Socialists. Names aren't everything.

Welfare capitalism isn't socialism you moron. If it is, the U.S is also socialist just based on the fact that social security and medicaid exists.

>preventing communism from spreading throughout SEA

Can't stamp them out after decades.

Americans claiming they won Vietnam are like the Finns claiming they won the Winter War.
"Sure, we lost, but see how many guys we killed, that means we won"

>Philippines
Actually the American campaign versus the Commies in the Philippines was successful and they were hoping to recreate it in Vietnam.

Only reason why Flips have a commie uprising today is because of their shite leadership as the Marcos Dictatorship and crony-capitalism led to a lot of peasants being angry as shit and having new reasons to flirt with commienism.

>That time Lansdale set up a coffee van with laxatives to fuck up commie rallies
DEVIOUS

>Marcos Dictatorship
Which USA supported?

USA supports any cunt that keeps communism at bay. It's not their fault that Marcos was a fucking asshole.

In addition, Marcos did edgy shit such as meet with Castro and Mao Zedong and threatening the United States with ending US bases lease to use popular nationalism for his own ends.

I still believe that a communist uprising is still possibe in the phils. You see, a few hundred km away from the ncr(nat. captial reg.) the majority of the country is underdeveloped as fuck.

I can foresee that the people's war here will be similar to the chinese civil war, protracted warfare away from the urban centers, mostly fought by frustrated uneducated farmers. The main problems that the NPA now face is now wavering public opinion and lack of strong leadership and also materiel.

Dutard just branded the NPA as a terrorist organization, I have not heard of NPA 'atrocities carried out against civilians, they mostly exhort from wealthy land owners and carry out hit-and-run attacks against the military. But it is apparent that they remain popular amongst the lower echelons of flip society, the main problem for the low public opinion is that flips are now distracted by bread and circuses of consumerism and cheap entertainment which destroys their political consciousness.
Leadership is a problem because CPP members are cowering in sweden, so now the npa is acting like a lose dog, with some units resorting to banditry.

They still prop macros up even after he turned out to be a massive asshole. Hell, who do you think bailed him out from being lynched?

>The French socialist party
>Socialist

>preventing communism
>Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia were all communist by 1975

Yes, that's why they pulled out with the North Vietnamese in control of roughly 1/5th of South Vietnam at the time of the Paris Peace Accord. Truly a military victory.

The worst thing about Vietnam is that if you go there these days, it's no different than any other country in Asia. Literally nothing bad happened, other than blood being shed for no good reason

USA also supported communists many times.

>they achieved their main goal of preventing communism from spreading throughout SEA
This is the second time I've seen this delusional claim posted here in a week. Is this getting to be a meme or something?