WHICH ONE AND WHY?

WHICH ONE AND WHY?

Depends on how much credit you give to Nelson individually as a strategist and naval innovator. If you think other admirals like Jervis or Saumarez wouldn't have managed to win victories like the Nile and Trafalgar, him.
Otherwise Wellington pretty handily. Much of his work was political and I really can't see any other british generals managing to be able to both win battles on the field and in parliament nearly as well as him.

Wellington is well deserving of his reputation. He fought the best army and best generals of that period.
Nelson always fought inferior opponent.

Nelson won by his own merit, wellington was an idiot who was saved by the prussians

>history begins and ends at waterloo

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Nelson was a playboy. Wellington is just the guy who held out till the Germans came

Who /SidSmith/?

>He fought the best army and best generals of that period

Uh, akshually he mostly fought on a secondary theater against a second-rate French army (Peninsular War) and even there he struggled

When he was finally pitted with Napoleon, the Prussians had to save his arse

Whenever people talk about Wellington they say "hurr durr muh prussians" as if he would've given battle without knowing that they were coming.

So he wasn't just incompetent but also a coward?

Just logical, why would you recklessly give battle when you know your ally will be able to reinforce you if you wait?

Boneyfags cannot into strategy. Forcing your opponent to give battle then expertly stalling for time while your reinforcements arrive is lost on them. Apparently battles have to be won with genius and heroism rather than careful planning and pragmatism.

Wellington also fought inferior opponents in the Peninsular, his only "great" victory would be Waterloo but it was a close call and not only his.
Nelson's victory was also far more significant.

The best British general would be Marlborough

>The best British general would be Marlborough

Mainly thank to the fact his troops were German and Dutch rather than British

Sure, but it's about leadership ability. Wellington also had mostly Germans and Dutch at Waterloo.

>anything other than lining up all your men and charging directly at the enemy is cowardice

This fucking board...

Blimey!!

>wellington was an idiot who was saved by the prussians
>Amerimutt education

bad post

Nelson because age of sail battles are metal as fuck

The absolute state of Veeky Forums. Someone makes a thread about two well renowned historical figures and fags like you come in with "uhm akshyually" trying to impose your irrelevant view on historical individuals who are widely celebrated.
That being said, Nelson, because trafalgar was the final BTFO for the frogs before they realised they are inferior to rosbif

British had excellent army, despite memes. They were less numerous but well drilled troops.

>When he was finally pitted with Napoleon, the Prussians had to save his arse
yeah not really, the battle was heading for a bloody and indecisivve british victory when the prussians arrived and turned it into a rout.

the british lines were battered but holding and the french were spent. victory was already out of napoleons reach when the prussians showed up

amerimutts everyone

>So he wasn't just incompetent but also a coward?
he was neither, personal cowardice is not a charge that can be sustained as he came under fire during the battle without losing any of his composure.

and incompetence cannot be sustained because he handled a difficult defensive battle with skill despite having a rather indifferent army to work with as most of the british veterans were not present being in north america or demobbed when the crisis arose and his allies were not veterans

Yeah but that's unrelated to wellie's skills.
Napoleon was forced to rush by the threat of the other armies regardless.

Never understood the love for Wellington apart from the British tendency to overestimate their own prominent men. His most famous battle was against an opponent outmanned and outgunned.

He's absolutely right. Your God Wellington fought Napoleon in the manner of a street gang surrounding a lone pedestrian.

Lord Nelson always chose the “lesser of two weavels”. Seriously,Lord Nelson gave limb and life for country, in that order

Bane of the French and the Spanish, uh?
Lmao, Spaniards took his arm and Frogs took his life

>he battle was heading for a bloody and indecisivve british victory
lolno, it was pretty much draw
a draw under circumstances favorable to wellington

Neither army beat Napoleon alone. But whatever the part played by Prussian troops in the actual moment when the Imperial Guard was repulsed, it is difficult to see how Wellington could have staved off defeat, when his centre had been almost shattered, his reserves were almost all committed, the French right remained unmolested and the Imperial Guard intact. …. Blücher may not have been totally responsible for victory over Napoleon, but he deserved full credit for preventing a British defeat.

>Lord Nelson always chose the “lesser of two weavels”.
Oh what next? Love for his country keeps him warm? He's gonna ask for the salt-shaker?

When will we see a Virgin vs Chad edit of these two?

he was fully responsibly for it since his rear guard of a few thousand soldier held back grouchy at a completely irrelevant location not far from the battle, while blücher joined the coalition forces saving the sorry ass of britbongs

Yes it is. A lesser general would have been beaten quickly allowing Napoleon time to pivot his army to face Blucher. Wellington was in constant communication wih Blucher and planned his defence perfectly.

>Oh what next? Love for his country keeps him warm?
With most you'd say "what pitiful stuff", but with Nelson, you felt your heart glow. Wouldn't you say Mr. Pullings?

I'd say that he who would pun would pick a pocket.
These jokes katno aiss' vizmi. Well aside from the dog watch one, that was mental.

>Aubrey repeatedly bringing up the curtailed dog-watch joke in subsequent books, to show new acquaintances how witty he can be

The Virgin "gets killed by one of Napoleon's men long before Napoleon even reach his peak" English sailor

VS

The Chad "defeated and outlived Napoleon" Irish general

neither

How witty the doctor is you mean. Jack, being the bro that he is, always credits Stephen as the joke's author when he repeats it to wardrooms full of admirals, dignitaries, and fellow ship officers.

>outnumber your enemy 2 to 1
>omg this guy is such a warfare genius

War isn’t just about battles, it’s about campaign movements too. Napoleon understood this, and that’s why in the Italian campaign he managed to outnumber the Austrians in almost every battle despite the Austrians having more troops in the theatre, solely because of his great strategic mind; he knew where to move troops and when; when to wait and when to strike. Great battles aren’t won by blindly rushing at your enemy for “muh glory!”

>Napoleon understood this, and that’s why in the Italian campaign he managed to outnumber the Austrians in almost every battle despite the Austrians having more troops in the theatre, solely because of his great strategic mind; he knew where to move troops and when; when to wait and when to strike.

That being said that's totally uncomprable with Waterloo
The reason why the Allies had more troops at Waterloo is because they had far more troops overall

Numbers are worhtless if you can't use them properly. That's why Bonie invented the "Corps d'armée"

>war is about purposely not playing to your advantages

>Wellington wasn't that great
>"U sayig he shud luse!"

Then the British goverment is to praise for their grand strategy and forming coalitions, not the generals.

>watches waterloo once

was meant for

This is your brain on snails and frogs

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If you wanna take that position, you oughta recognize that Wellington was a pretty important politician since coming back from India. He was pretty instrumental in the Peninsular War being fought at all, what with the parliament wanting to evacuate the continent after Corunha and all the pressure he put for the fortification of Lisbon.
Nelson was a two bit player outside once removed from the sea, but Wellington was an extremely influential man from an extremely influential family. Between him and his brother Mornington (as ambassador first and foreign secretary later) they basically propped up the spanish government in Cadiz.

>Wellington
>Irish

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