Alternative Black History

If Booker T Washington would have lived to be 95 and WEB Dubois would have died in his 50s, would African Americans have better integrated into American Culture? It seems like developing a quiet industrious mentality worked well for chinese immigrants and the clamoring for RIGHTS NOW has created a cycle of never ending activism which has spawned generations of militant victims .

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What fucking kind of name is Booker

You never read up on either men let's be honest about this.

>would African Americans have better integrated into American Culture?
Niggers themselves don't want to be integrated.

>The Amerimutt meme come to life
Holy shit

there existence isn't the only thing that played into their prominence
W.E.B Dubois was made the symbolic face of the NAACP (a largely non-black organization) so that he could incite racial conflict.
even someone like marcus garvey who preached black nationalism wasn't as inclined to keep up the racial fight, he wanted separatism
most of the black intellectuals we know are merely the puppets of the establishment that love perpetual racial conflict to distract people from seeing the real enemy

There's a fucking reason every supporter of the compromise ditched it past bookers death. I'll give you 5 hours to find out why.

But that's my question, what if he had lived longer?
So you think if now WEB, then someone elsebwould have been sponsored.
Not in depth, it's not my main interest. But since it's that time of year and remember them from higjschool I thought I'd ask.
Spoon feed me then.

Well, legal change was necessary. That said, Washington was right to urge social change and self-reliance as the first means of advancement. As we have seen, the real limiting factors of progress was the quality of the average black person's character.

>That said, Washington was right to urge social change and self-reliance as the first means of advancement.

Which is what they were doing.

>As we have seen, the real limiting factors of progress was the quality of the average black person's character.

That's pure victim blaming. It's extremely evident that no matter what blacks did in the Jim Crow south every action triggered whites unless you were on your knees sucking dick levels of submissive and even then they'd get triggered because they think your overly cautious manner of conduct is sarcastic.

Booker T Washington's compromise came from the line of though of "okay Whiteman nothing pleases you so please let's just keep our distance".

Because in North Carolina there was a coup because a government had blacks in it and they weren't actively white supremacist.

>That's pure victim blaming. It's extremely evident that no matter what blacks did in the Jim Crow south every action triggered whites unless you were on your knees sucking dick levels of submissive and even then they'd get triggered because they think your overly cautious manner of conduct is sarcastic.
Except many did advance to decent living in the South.

The state of the black community today proves that their conditions had much more to do with themselves than any outside source of oppression. Segregation meant that the black community could limit competition to other blacks. There were even black politicians who attained a certain level of prominence in the South.

No one said legal advancement wasn't necessary. And even if Washington was wrong, the fact remains that Dubois was a commie dupe who praised literal genocidal dictators for "muh equality."

>The state of the black community today proves that their conditions had much more to do with themselves than any outside source of oppression
It just seems like they gave up trying. Alot of whites are doing that too nowadays .
>I don't have x and will never become better than what I am. Therefore I will lobotomize my mind with addictive substances and act irresponsible because (((whites))) are out to get me. Ha, you can't fuck up my life if I do so first.

The fuck, how does Booker T Washington have a face just like Booker T the wrestler?

>Alot of whites are doing that too nowadays .

Kek you've never been to the poorass rural regions of America or rustbelt towns. When nothing works out and everything falls apart no matter your actions you tend to just give up.

>Except many did advance to decent living in the South.

And still ahd to deal with massive discrimination and threats on their lives. vacationing as middle class black family in the South is an extremely risky venture because you could get attacked and many amnesties refuse black patrons. There's a REASON the "The Negro Motorist Green Book" existed. The Southern system pretty much was passing a camel through the eye ofa needle. With the constant barriers and bullshit you had to deal with even passing it meant nothing because you were a 2nd class citizen and you couldn't even vote without risking your life to do so. The existent of a Southern middle/upper class does not negate the shitty Jim Crow life.

>Segregation meant that the black community could limit competition to other blacks

IT also meant shittier public services, low levels of government investment, worse level of infrastructure, worse aces to services whites could easily get. The minor benefit of restricted competition DOES NOT OUTWEIGH the she shitty QoL blacks of all social strata dealt with.

Also
>And even if Washington was wrong, the fact remains that Dubois was a commie dupe who praised literal genocidal dictators for "muh equality."

He was a socialist and there's a a lot of differences between Communism and Socialism and you even trying to debase Dubois by bringing up an irrelevant factor in this discussion is basically sidestepping the point.

I don't disagree with any of that. My point is that self-reliance comes first.

As to the coup you were talking about:
>Of the taxes in the city of Wilmington and the county of New Hanover the whites pay 96 2/3rds per cent; while the Negroes pay the remainder — 3 1/3rds per cent.

It was literally picking other peoples' pockets and calling it democracy.

>He was a socialist and there's a a lot of differences between Communism and Socialism
He called the USSR the most hopeful country on earth, lol
I'll never miss a chance to shit on whiteboi dubois

He actually wasn't even a socialist but was sympathetic to many tenets of it so it wasn't outright socialism.

and spergning out and causing hat much damage and reverting all that progress to re-enstate a racial heirachy? Also forcing out all Blacks in said black majority city to the point that it became a white majority and even the primary cause of getting blacks out of" white" jobs failed since all those jobs they coveted turned out to be nigger jobs paid nigger wages?

Rest of Dubois points still stand. We aren't talking about his political leanings that isn't' what we are talking about (but yes the USSR was like the Obama of it's day, people although it could make a difference but it clearly didn't do that). Booker T Washington is actually half white but he never knew his white father.

>I don't disagree with any of that. My point is that self-reliance comes first.

Blacks were self-reliant but the system at the time hamstrung it pretty hard that the extent of self reliance whether in a Black sphere of reference of a mixed one was gimped (can't be your own farmer if you can't get loans your white brethren of the same financial status can). Having 2 parallel economies is weaker then having 1 so why the fuck would to you that instead of just integrating Blacks within the mainstream Southern Society instead of developing a subaltern underclass that lives in a lower quality sub-society?

>so why the fuck would to you that instead of just integrating Blacks within the mainstream Southern Society
Probably because it would have been impossible at the time. That said, the black community had been given three decades of education and freedom to work leading up to the coup.

>Probably because it would have been impossible at the time.
Mainly because of the sheer autism of the Southern elites.

>That said, the black community had been given three decades of education and freedom to work leading up to the coup.

and before that states were already scrambling to reverse it such as Mississippi's new constitution in 1890 raising barriers to voter registration. Read up the article on the Wilmington insurrection of 1898 to see how petty the Southern Democrats were.

>When nothing works out and everything falls apart no matter your actions you tend to just give up.
Right. Alot of people would make this statement about a poor white area, but when they see a poor black area:
>niggers, amirite? Pepelaugh.jpeg

this. everything they do; the clothes they wear, the language they use, the names they invent (e.g. shaniqua, demarcus, etc), the fake history they concoct, everything; is all calculated to distinguish themselves from "white people," whom they despise. blacks hate the society they live in and have contempt for anyone they deem not part of their in-group. integration is the last thing they want

How prevalent are these things? 25 percent, 50 percent? They keep their Anglo last names, most celebrate Christmas, hardly any believe and that yakub shit. Do they just not have to be a complete stereotype to be considered integrated?

too prevalent. even 5% is too high
twitter.com/joshuagates/status/960533298496901120 (warning: rage inducing)

Even 5%? Why should most carry the stereotype if most don't do it? That's like calling a conservative a nazi because they have some in their camp.

you are right. i misspoke. far more than 5% of blacks have hatred for white people and white society. 5% is probably more applicable to those most extreme, like nazis

>have hatred for white people and white society
I would reverse the order there. The blacks I've known think individuals they know are ok, but cops bankers and society is out to get them. The overlap between thier feverish conspiracy theories and those of right wing whites is comically absurd. Even MSM understands this on some level
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>Blanda up

Wow, that's a meme I haven't seen for a long time.

all i hear from blacks is "wypipo do dis" and "wypipo do dat" and "wypipo is evil" and similar racist nonsense. the general belief seems to be that the society we live in deliberately and explicitly oppresses blacks, out of some implacable, irrational and ingrained hatred that all whites have for blacks, and that all whites are therefore responsible for it and should feel guilty. you're right that it does have commonalities with white crazies who believe jews are trying to destroy the white race

>wypipo
Is that online or in person? Ive met terrible and racist blacks IRL but many decent people as well. I first heard about the crazy conspiracy theories about aids and the Black Irish kingdom from a friend in highschool who would hide behind buildings and trees and once even me Whenever he saw a police car.
But online you are right, it's a festering pile of cancer

>Except many did advance to decent living in the South.
..and then the white people murdered them.

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