Is it possible for humans to change God's mind on something in the Christian doctrine?
Is it possible for humans to change God's mind on something in the Christian doctrine?
Nathan Roberts
Liam Wood
No.
Hudson Jones
No
Julian Roberts
No
Josiah Phillips
DUDE GOD IS A NEGRO REDDIT XDDD PLEASE UPVOTE MORBAN BREEDAM IZ A GOD HHAHAHA
Logan Thompson
Yeah. That's why you pray
John Diaz
What about Abraham?
>Abraham boldly pleaded on behalf of the people of Sodom, where Lot dwelt, and obtained assurance the city would not be destroyed if fifty righteous were found there. He continued inquiring, reducing the number to forty five, forty, thirty, twenty, and finally if there were ten righteous in the city, it would be spared.
Carter Lee
Possibly. Descriptions of God the Father changing His mind are obviously anthropomorphic metaphors used for literary effect since the Father is fully eternal. The only person of the Trinity whose mind can be changed is Jesus, because His human nature (which He possesses in addition to His divine nature) has a human mind that is timebound and emptied of certain knowledge and thus is capable of "changing" as we understand that process from our own experience, although the knowledge His mind possesses is obvious far beyond what other humans possess. I see no reason why the Holy Spirit would be different from the Father as He does not possess a human mind like Jesus does and so is eternal without a temporal thought process. So your answer is yes, Jesus can change His human mind, but the Father and the Holy Spirit do not change their minds in a literal sense.
Daniel Wright
God was engaging in rhetoric with Abraham. God already knew what would happen and His mind was already made up. That was all just for the sake of argument.
Jeremiah Edwards
yes, god changes his mind based on human arguements in the bible. his nature however is static
Dominic Cooper
Dude, if you having a seizure please call the emergency medical authorities of your country.
Brayden Johnson
Jacob Rivera
Revisionism
Cooper Barnes
I agree with this guy, Yahweh and Jesus are not the same being and every Christian points this out time and again.
Ryder Miller
Uh no that's heresy. They're two different persons in the same being.
Austin Butler
On the big things, like whether or not murder is allowed, no. On smaller things, like the number of righteous people Sodom needs to not get destroyed, it's possible to bargain ( see )
Michael Jackson
>murders two christians for not paying the church the entirety of their money
Angel Morgan
>murders a guy for picking up sticks on Saturday
Joshua James
Not really. This interpretation is far older than Christianity, and is addressed in the Bible itself. The Church Fathers discussed such passages as well. Aquinas treated the matter in the Summa Theologica treated above, and some ecumenical council or other settled it as a matter of doctrine, and it's found in the catechisms. The orthodox position is hardly "revisionism" if the matter has always been interpreted that way. This isn't a controversial issue.
Jace Adams
No. Whatever discussion He had with humans, He already knew what would happen and the result way before there was the Light. The actions He did was for humans' sake.
Owen Carter
>murders the entire male population of nations so Jews can carry off the virgin women for rapey tiem
Jack Richardson
>This interpretation is far older than Christianity, and is addressed in the Bible itself.
Source? Everything else you said is plain revisionism but whatever.
Anthony Nguyen
>changes mind during discussion
>one thousand years later writes text where he explains he didn't *really* change his mind
Is God Stalin?
Liam Anderson
Apparently it is, because there's like 100000 different Christian sects.
Jaxson Young
I have the citations ready, but you're just squealing "revisionism" as if it's an actual response, so I'll hold on to my pearls, thanks.
Levi Thompson
>its in the bible
>where
>I have the citations ready, but you're just squealing "revisionism" as if it's an actual response, so I'll hold on to my pearls, thanks.
oh wow lol
Cameron Wood
Here's how the conversation actually went.
>its in the bible
>where? by the way I'm just going to dismiss your post and anything else you say as "revisionism"
>I have the citations ready, but you're just squealing "revisionism" as if it's an actual response, so I'll hold on to my pearls, thanks.
Talk about revisionism! Oink oink oink.
Jack Brown
This is the most honest admission of defeat I could expect from you.
Caleb Long
That I don't want to waste my time doing your homework for you by giving you page numbers in a book that you've never read nor will ever read even though you're trying to take part in a conversation about that very book, a conversation you can only participate in with single word dismissals, that isn't an admission of defeat, that's an admission of disgust.
Dylan Ward
That's your third reply where you could just post the source. You know that this isn't fooling anyone so what are you trying here.
Owen Jackson
Go back and adress my original argument with an actual response and I'll be happy to spend more time on you. Otherwise, no, I won't share.
William Johnson
Aaaaaaaand you're out of time. I need to go to bed. If this thread is still up tomorrow I'll respond to your response, and provide you with Biblical and extra-Biblical citations regarding divine immutability if you've proven yourself worthy of further interaction by demonstrating some willingness to think and engage in discussion. Forgive me if I don't hold my breath.
Matthew Perez
In the OT, God seems to respond to bargaining attempts, so I'd say at least you can act upon God. Of course, you could argue that God was always going to do what he agreed to do, and that his initial position was intended to be chalenged, but then you run into a problem: how do you know if you should trust what God says to you if you also know that he sometimes wants you to chalenge him?
What if the Bible itself is a test?
Owen Scott
>Is it possible for humans to change God's mind on something in the Christian doctrine?
God has been trying to change humans' minds on "Christian" doctrine for 1000's of years now.
You never listen to your betters - you just sit there century after century after century, read your complete fraud of a book, deny reality, and murder people.
Blake Walker
>writes
The Bible was writen by humans, user.
Jace Jenkins
>he thinks He made those denominations
Oliver Parker
God made everything, user.
Lincoln Ward
Clearly yes. Exodus 32:9-14 states it flat out.
Adrian Peterson
>Is it possible for humans to change God's mind on something in the Christian doctrine?
No. There is a more recent type of theology called process theology where God can be affected by temporal things, but it doesn't make sense.
edwardfeser.blogspot.ca
Jack King
No.
Noah Cruz
if the Christian God is omniscient and omnipotent, he would have created humans knowing everything they would ever do, so the beings he created were predetermined by him.
Isaac Collins
Can you change the Tooth Fairy's mind on something?
Ryan Torres
Of course, she's easily bribed by teeth.
Jayden Smith
But he's the editor. If you think those texts don't have divine approval you're no longer talking christianity