Great Schism

So the Protestants were right and the Muslims very, very wrong?

lol my dad IS history you stupid dip. hes also bill gates

Orthodox were in the wrong. Rome was the undisputed center of the Christian World and his bishop (the Pope) the highest authority. Greeks didnt want to accept and wanted to make constantinople to the Center and its bishop the top dog. Thus the church got divided. God punished the Greeks for this by letting the muslims sack constantinople and make the Greeks a lolli farm for turks. Because those are the ways of god. Amen.

Funnily enough it's German fault. Charlemagne bought into filioque meme first and the rulers of HRE followed it. The popes opposed it for centuries until Emperor Heinrich II persuaded Pope Benedict VIII to accept it.

Wut?

So in which part did the "blood-crazed catholic savage sacks constantinople" chip in?

Awful map

This is more due to communism vs nato

Like Ireland?

>muh material wealth

>tall muscular heroic latin Chad knights spill blood for 100 years to defend your empire from the saracens
>latin merchants get massacred because of some petty temporal dispute
>greek basileus commits the heinous sin of not paying his denbts
>even as your empire crumbles in the centuries thereafter you refuse to take the step obviously ordained by God of reconnecting to the line of Peter and rallying all of Evropa in pushing the t*rk back across the Bosphorus
they had it coming

He did nothing wrong

>country built by Protestants

The pope. Tried too hard to achieve temporal power by undermining imperial power. Creating a seperate emperor inevitably split Europe and prevented a reunification between east and west. Popes would then go on undermine the power of their own emperor preventing them from claiming true authority over Western Europe. Finally, the papacy couldn’t even keep its own shit together and the reformation prevented the Habsburg from consolidating the west.

damn popes ruined everything

>orthocucks are jew apologists
Tell this to an orthodox.

Catholic/Orthodox was the second schism, and Catholic/Protestant was the third. Dyophysite/Mono(mia)physite was the first major schism in Christian history.

>Vatican II
>his religion has a SEQUEL
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_Council

What is this shit map? Whole Europe wasn't Christian by 1054.

>Protestants are Orthodox Lite. L
HAHAHAHHAHAH. Protestantism is anti-orthodoxy you psude

Orthodoxy had splits too. What about that controversy with the Old Believers which still goes on today? The difference is that Catholicism and Orthodoxy believe in living traditions and never actually said they are bound by a set of narrow principals. The Churches have the power to reinterpret theology if they agree to such. Protestantisms on the other hand enslaves itself to be free from any new Divine Revelation while instantly splintering into a thousand different denominations.

>Luther himself spoke often of his admiration of the Orthodox Church and said his aim was to bring Western Christianity closer to what Orthodox Christianity is.
So why would he fabricate theology which is nothing like Orthodoxy? You are full of shit. And protestants have more in common with Catholics than with Orthodox.

It's ok my Latin friend, you don't need to make up obscure analogies referencing blatant heretics to justify your illegitimate, glorified Pope and countless reforms. Nobody really hates you other than Pr*ddies. Just don't pretend we were the ones in the wrong when you suddenly started pretending to be an authority and pulled the filioque out your ass. Enjoy your new mass though, I've heard the electric guitar became popular :^)

The wrong.

>obscure analogies referencing blatant heretics
user, this is Veeky Forums. obscurity is our forte. It's relevant to point out that Orthodoxy indeed changes, reforms and has detractors within the community as well.

we wuz UNCHANGED BABY bow down to eternal tradition before God sends more pf those hurricanes and migrants

How the fuck does someone say something to damn ignorant? Is it bait?

Orthodox church doesn't really exist anymore. They got sacked by Turks and since then every orthodox country has its own church. As I said, God punished them for disobeying, and now greek rats are an irrelevant people of 10 million that is now most famous for being germanys little debt whore. They had it coming.

and we're loving every second of it

>COPE
Lmao keep dreaming heretic, the autocephalus churches are purely regional. It's still one church with a united council and synods. Go attend your comical mass

Around the time that the Orthocuck status quo decided to murder or expel all the Catholics in Constantinople while telling the crusaders to fuck off without paying for their bail out.

>catholicucks still butthurt about it even after they perpetuated the schism, kicked out the Orthodox from rome and sacked Thessalonica
BASED orthodox taking out the trash

good one

If by Muslims sacking Constantinople you mean faggot latins who got Jewed by Venice into destroying the Byzantines, then you're correct.

They won't listen to normal argument. They prefer to blame religion.

>Poorest country in Europe right after breaking free from Protestant rule
Yep, Protestants sure did build Ireland's economy

>The mighty "Eastern" "Roman" "Empire" got BTFO by some shitty merchants

Lorrenzo Valla proved that the donnation of constantine was false so the orthodox were in the right.

not understanding how the orthodox church works yet posting as if. Are you stupid or just retarded?

>the reigning >H>R>E had all its petty towns and districts defiled by a gay manlet frog

>arians aren’t the first among schisms
>nesoterians aren’t the third schism
>jacobites aren’t the second schism

Orthodoxy because they wanted CaesarOPapism
The pope was already recognised as first among equals by the council of Chalcedon
Also who the fuck thought half of Greece should be under the patriarch of Rome if they already have all the west and africa

Prots and Orthodorks are both heretics, not sure what your "point" is here

>Where exactly do protestants fit
Into the oven eventually, pagan.

>right wrong
wildly subjective in this case, since the schism was essentially a fight over temporal power with a sheen of theological shit flinging coated on. The main matter was over power.
The Byzantines believed in Caesaropapism, that is that the church should (at least in theory, varied by Emperor in practice) be subordinate to the Emperor and act as an arm of the state. They believed that the Pope should remain under the influence and authority of the Byzantine Emperor, which he had only escaped in the century or so before Charlemagne. The Pope believed that not only should the religious establishment be free from control of a temporal ruler, but that he was also the supreme head of Christendom. Charlemagne offered a perfect opportunity to get a new patron that could help protect the Papacy from Byzantine ambitions, but in doing so set the stage for the schism when neither side could score an absolute victory.
I think only the Anglicans and maybe some Lutherans could qualify as Orthodox lite.
The Anglicans do mirror how orthodox churches work though, I recall they even (did/tried to?) remove the filioque to help ecumenicism

>I think only the Anglicans and maybe some Lutherans could qualify as Orthodox lite.
>The Anglicans do mirror how orthodox churches work though, I recall they even (did/tried to?) remove the filioque to help ecumenicism
See . Protestantism and Orthodoxy have almost nothing in common.

Anglicanism is the one I focused on because it retained the episcopal structure of catholicism, but sans the pope which is similar to the format of the orthodox national churches (not the same but you see the similarity). There's also been a high church strain of Anglicanism that is essentially catholics without the pope, so you can see why people make the comparison.
Protestantism in general is another matter, as you noted most sects have diverged heavily from anything even close to catholicism/orthodoxy

>heretics
Can't wait for V A T I C A N III when the next pope from africa bans religion

why would a pope from africa do anything of the sort?
Cardinal Sarah is the bastion of traditionalism

reddit

>Catholic
>traditionalism
Yes, this is it, this is the point where you're falling on your knees trying to catch your breath, you begin rolling on the floor, wheezing uncontrollably.

he's right, the papist church flies wherever the wind blows, the protestants are even worse

only the orthodox church remains a ROCK, the ROCK that christ described his church will be

but yeah, keep bragging about your crusades and big cathedrals and how the orthodox faithful are persecuted(as christ was)

Praise him indeed

>Who was in the right here?
The people who believed in Christianity as put forward by the Church fathers.

Who was in the wrong?
The people elected by literal whores.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum

Guy with extensive traveling background through the Levant here. The situation there is pretty damn funny.
Although one would think the holiest sites in Christianity are peaceful and tranquil havens of worship, they are actually a cesspit of fighting (sometimes even physical riots and melees between the monks), as each denomination really, really hates the others. After visiting many holy shrines and listening to the various banter the monks from all sides had, these seem to be the general opinions about the various sides:

>Greek Orthodox
They own the lion's share of the land, and as such are universally hated. They are viewed as being extremely corrupt and land and power hungry, constantly being in bed with the ruling authorities (not so much the Israelis, because Israel really wants their land, but when Muslims were ruling the Greeks were deepthroating Sheikh and Sultan cock at porno levels) and would crucify Jesus himself if it meant more land, power and influence for them. Most of their land was obtained through corrupt backdoor deals with the Muslims.

>Russian Orthodox
Even more corrupt than the Greeks, but no one really gives a shit because they own very little and don't really bother anyone else. There is some jealousy though because only the Catholics are superior to them at raking in tourist money.

>Catholic
Hated because they are constantly trying to Latinize anything and everything that they come into contact with. Even more hated however because they simply can't into the concept of other Christian denominations, they absolutely believe that Catholics are the only true Christians and everyone else is heretical. Also much jealousy around them because they bring in by far the most tourist cash. All of their land was given to them as a gift to the European powers by the Muslims in order to keep them quiet, and as such everyone views them as European colonizers who have no right being in the Holy Land.

>Armenian Orthodox
The Muslims basically picked these guys at random to be the only Oriental Orthodox Church that would break through into the big leagues, for which reason they are hated by the other Orientals, and hated by everyone else because they're Orientals. All the Orientals are viewed as being ethnic secret clubs, and the Armenians exemplify this.

>Copts
Hated because they're basically Arabs. Yes, I know they're not, but the stereotype really sticks.

>Ethiopian Orthodox
Hated because, well, niggers. They can't poo in loo, their chants sound like an asthmatic goat playing a harmonica, and they're piss-poor to the point that they got evicted from the Holy Sepulcher because they couldn't afford the taxes and now live in truly African-tier mud huts on the roof.

>Protestants
Hated because they are the sheer definition of high and mighty, they view themselves as intellectually superior and all of the Cathodox as sheeple. Also everyone thinks they're heretical as hell. Basically /r/atheism: The Christian denominations.

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>Most of their land was obtained through corrupt backdoor deals with the Muslims.
I don't think you are quite coming to this with a full deck of cards. Since the 4th century, many wealthy Romans donated large tracks of land to the Churches along with the Imperial Roman government. Chances are most of that land was given to the Church pre-islamic invasion and the supposed deals they made were to keep the land.

My experience in the holy land has led me to similar sentiments. The orthodox church is dying, it has been for centuries, but it's getting progressively worse.

>The orthodox church is dying, it has been for centuries, but it's getting progressively worse
what did you meme by this?

im not disagreeing with you, christianity is pretty much dead, Islam is the only religion that has survived the cancer of this modern globalist consumerist liberal world order, i just want to know the particular meme reason you have for believing tihs

sounds like catholics are the true church

That's where you're wrong, kiddo

how so?

AND ON THIS ROCK

Amen.

only one of those orthodox diocese even existed at that point, and it was a direct puppet of the byzantine monarchy, and rome had more legitimacy than any of the eastern ones to begin with