I wanted to hear your opinion on National Socialism, to keep it civilized let's focus on the concept of National Socialism, and not on the German Nazism that was actually taken into practice (To avoid muh concentration camps).
I'd love to hear what you think
Sure. Why don't you name the DISTINCTIVE attributes youdefine as nationak socialism and then we can start.
National socialism is still socialism, ergo it collapses upon all the same caveats and calamities that stem from socialism.
>National socialist, that are not German Nazis or their imitators.
You mean Zenkl and his band? OK in my book.
The gaudiest, tackiest political ideology
These images are so cringey. Do not post them again.
Very aesthetic.
ah yes the famous nazi worker's unions
I like Rockwell’s philosophy
Dictatorship would be too foreign to work in America and excessive socialist policies would hurt business but to little regulation can make life harsh for the average worker who makes up the economy
It is the only ideology worth anything. Combines moral individualism with social responsibility, personal liberty with reverence for the state. It's the only ideology that sees man as an animal rather than as an idealized creature, and thus the only ideology that can lead mankind with reason instead of illusion.
they look like vampires
Unstable and destructive ideology.
>It's only ideology which combines mutually exclusive
good job
an autistic incel ideology with the sole purpose of re-militarizing germany, taken advantage of by the prussian military elite so that they could feel good about themselves, foisted upon a downtrodden people under the guise of """patriotism""" or '""nationalism""", which of course required the stigmatization of the "other", which of course led to genocide and ultimately the destruction of the country and most of europe.
>OP wants to talk about the merits of an ideology
>der I’m going to completely focus on der nazis and ignore anything economical or political when pertaining to the other fascist, proto fascist or pseudo fascist countries while using buzzwords directed at people with poor genetics and upbringing in the areas pertaining to physical features and social skills
>Expecting low-IQ people to use reason and not emotions
There's your problem.
>merits of national socialism
LOL
sorry I thought we were talking about the actual practical application of the ideology (nazism) and not some made up richard spencer jerk off fantasy
>ignore anything economical or political
I told you, the entire purpose was to autistically re-militarize the country and invade germany's neighbors out of what was essentially the geopolitical version of manlet rage. any other bullshit about muh people and muh country was just a bunch of nonsense.
>manlet rage
compelling argument
>"germany's national socialism wasn't true national socialism"
It was one interpretation and it was in action so it did undergo restrictions because of pragmatism. Many times it didn't directly put a side. socialism vs market liberalism, neo-paganism vs Christianity, long peace vs first strike advantage, National Equality vs Meritocracy, Meritocracy vs Ideological Cohesion etc
I might add that the fuhrer principle and Fuhrerkult were retarded, it didn't have a constituition and long-term thinking was missing, despite being one main point of this ideology
Left wing garbage. They lost because they were inferior.
>self sacrifice
Sounds dumb my spook. I'm willing to give shit up because I get something in return, not so some spooky spook can succeed.
I prefer REI's antifamily kind of National Socialism, to be quite honest and genuine, my fella.
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It's 100% true tho
>let's focus on the concept of National Socialism, and not on the German Nazism
You mean ideology that entire premise is about being ultra nationalist and expansionist?
Or you mean Rockwells versions, who autistically interpreted his own version of "National Socialism"™ and called it legit/official version of nazism?
Rockwell's Nazism was more about lifestyle and beliefs in how race should live and for what to be striving for.
Hitler's Nazism was bunch experimental crap that was changing constantly... only true belief they always maintained strongly was Pan-Germanic Ultranationalism.
wasn't this the same person who said autism is some kinda of next evolutionary step
I don't like socialism ever. I don't like nationalism, in that, though I want to live in a country of exclusively my group, I don't necessarily want to live with all of them.
Also, I'm a monarchist.
Science applied to man
kitschy supervillain cosplay.
why do people keep rummaging in history's trashcan?
Oh yeah, no ideas.
Interesting in its practical application, but I'm much more interested in its aesthetic and metaphysical qualities.
You can't properly discuss national socialism without the nazis, and the only reason anybody would say that is because they're an autistic LARPer who acknowledges that it was a failure on some level. It's like communists who refuse to accept the reality of the Soviet Union and PRC, or anarchists who cling to autistic hypothetical communes or praexology with no real world examples of success. All of these ideologies, regardless of how material some may claim to be, are failures because of rampant idealism. Surprise surprise, they also largely descend from Hegel.
Monarchism and liberalism are virtually the only worthwhile political ideologies.
The Program of the German Workers’ Party is a program for our time.
The leadership rejects the establishment of new aims after those set out in the Program have been achieved, for the sole purpose of making it possible for the Party to continue to exist as the result of the artificially stimulated dissatisfaction of the masses.
1. We demand the uniting of all Germans within one Greater Germany, on the basis of the right to self-determination of nations.
2. We demand equal rights for the German people (Volk) with respect to other nations, and the annulment of the peace treaty of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and soil (Colonies) to feed our People and settle our excess population.
4. Only Nationals (Volksgenossen) can be Citizens of the State. Only persons of German blood can be Nationals, regardless of religious affiliation. No Jew can therefore be a German National.
5. Any person who is not a Citizen will be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be subject to legislation for Aliens.
6. Only a Citizen is entitled to decide the leadership and laws of the State. We therefore demand that only Citizens may hold public office, regardless of whether it is a national, state or local office.
We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of making party considerations, and not character and ability, the criterion for appointments to official positions.
7. We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment first of all for its own Citizens. If it is not possible to maintain the entire population of the State, then foreign nationals (non-Citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-Germans is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after August 2, 1914, be forced to leave the Reich without delay.
9. All German Citizens must have equal rights and duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work. Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community and for the general good.
We therefore demand:
11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
Breaking the Servitude of Interest.
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard to religion or race.
19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.
20. In order to make higher education – and thereby entry into leading positions – available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latters’ position or occupation.
21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievements of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.
22. We demand the abolition of hireling troops and the creation of a national army.
23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. In order to make it possible to create a German press, we demand:
a) all editors and editorial employees of newspapers appearing in the German language must be German by race;
b) non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language;
c) any financial participation in a German newspaper or influence on such a paper is to be forbidden by law to non-Germans and the penalty for any breach of this law will be the closing of the newspaper in question, as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-Germans involved.
Newspapers which violate the public interest are to be banned. We demand laws against trends in art and literature which have a destructive effect on our national life, and the suppression of performances that offend against the above requirements.
24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations, provided that they do not endanger the existence of the State or offend the concepts of decency and morality of the Germanic race.
The Party as such stands for positive Christianity, without associating itself with any particular denomination. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a permanent revival of our nation can be achieved only from within, on the basis of: Public Interest before Private Interest.
25. To carry out all the above we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the Reich. Unquestioned authority by the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and over its organizations in general. The establishment of trade and professional organizations to enforce the Reich basic laws in the individual states.
How is there any personal liberty whatsoever in National Socialism?
>national
>socialism
choose one op