Am i the only one who has no respect for steroid users at all?

look at what a fit body was advertised as 30 odd years ago in the magazines, compare it to the 'Mens Health' type magazine cover physique we have today.

It's pretty fucking sad and we have fake natties selling supplements to thank for it.

that being said, in the real world, if you lift for a couple years you're gonna look bigger than 80% of people you meet.

>I'm going to be 250, 10% at 6'3
Nope, you're a fucking liar.

I'm with you, OP. Wish all of them would just drop dead.

So you're a 320lb 35% bf fat slob at 6'3 right now huh?

I used steroids for about 2 years.
Haven't used them in 5 years now.
Got big as fuck using them.
Still big but no longer trying to be a fucking giant.

If you take any supplements at all then you have no right to bitch about people that use steroids.
>whey protein = take it to build muscle/repair faster
>creatine = take it to be stronger and build more muscle and repair faster
>extra vitamins = take it to build muscle/repair faster
>test boosters = take it to build muscle/repair faster
>steroids = take it to build muscle/repair faster
>the list goes on

Anything that helps you build more muscle and repair from workouts is fair game but ALL steroids are cheating.

>faggot ass OP has no knowledge of steroids so he chooses to hate them

What about people who take viagra/cialis? What about analgesics/Ai's? Whatabout creatine? Caffeine?

>Caffeine
You mean cheater java?

You don't know how steroids work if you think supplements can be compared to steroids. You can't take weigh protein while sitting around doing nothing and putting on muscle.It's been proven that people taking steroids and not training for a month build more muscle than people that are natty actually training in the gym. There's a big difference between taking something to build muscle and it not working, and taking something to build muscle and it actually building muscle. Supplements don't build muscle, steroids do.

>Steroids are akin to vitamins

Thanks for the insight into the lies you junkies tell yourselves

The only right answer

have fun aging at 3x the normal rate

>Supplements don't build muscle, steroids do.

Thanks for your post user. You've put forth the best argument to use steroids.

People who want to gain muscle and be lean would be mentally fucking retarded to not have anabolic steroids in their arsenal.

>People who want to gain muscle and be lean would be mentally fucking retarded to not have anabolic steroids in their arsenal.

You should rephrase that as

"People who want to gain muscle and be lean, and who have no regard for potential risks, would be mentally fucking retarded to not have anabolic steroids in their arsenal."

they do what they want, they require no respect from you neither do they even bother getting it from you.

pic related

No

Juicers are insecure attention seeking faggots who are so desperate to get looks from girls (and probably guys too) that they need to inject that shit into their body

It's pathetic. I hope they all explode

Hi your majisty

>you rage you lose
+1 frauders

I'll respect them if they work their ass off in the gym.

Respect comes from discipline and effort. If some DYEL uses gear year one to get big I want them dead.

Using gear for powerlifting and sport is fine if they genuinely hit their ceiling. Every oly lifter that makes it is on HGH bare minimum.

Each injection you pathetic hubris roid faggots take, it's a -100 on your part

Go fuck yourself

Yeah but Creatine and Whey won't give me liver cancer jackass

am i the only one who breathes oxygen?

Neither will injectables

>no source

>I only respect elite level athletes that do it.
Same
It doesn't bother me when an athlete that competes on a world or even national stage admits that he wants to reach the highest level of performance possible and that that means taking steroids to help attain and maintain that level of performance

thats a shitty comparison

But they will give you a laundry list of other side-effects

>I respect athletes that cheat in competitions but I can't stand the idea that some people want to see their body grow past the natty limit

>"People who want to gain muscle and be lean, and who have no regard for potential risks, would be mentally fucking retarded to not have anabolic steroids in their arsenal."

Quote me on this, 600mg of combined gear use is fucking harmless. HARMLESS.

It's only when stepping into the grams + slin + peptides + gh + eating a fuck tonne of animal meat saturated fat + increase in bodyweight by a fuckton

Do we run into potentially devastating health consequences.

Quote me. Future DOC ;-)

it honestly just makes me sad to think there are people this retarded

agreed

there's no legitimate point in using roids if you're not a high level athlete who NEEDS to perform at his absolute peak in order to secure his athletic career. Any advantage helps when your career is on the line.

Some random normal lifter pumping roids out of pure vanity is pathetic. Just train/diet better you faggots. Nothing reeks insecurity more than hopping on cycles for no functional reason.

Athletic performance serves a purpose, vanity does not.

>cheating in competitions where everybody else is cheating and your career is on the line

vs

>i want to build unnatural muscle for no real reason

Who cares how they achieved it as long as they're not competing with it.

I see guys like this all the time and they ALWAYS have a female on their arm. Women don't care about natty, they just want something to feel and look at.

Personally I think it's dangerous and gross but if you're knocking on a guy for doing anything he can to give himself an edge, that's just sour grapes.

Were not talking about the other side effects (which can easily be managed)
Quit trying to move the goal posts.

600mg per week or what?

What, would you as a future doc, recommend as a beinnger cycle? Lay it all out.

Whenever you guys make a claim that someones using steroids, is it because you actually know or just saying it because memes

Yeah, bodybuilders and powerlifters?
No respect at all.

>600mg per week or what?

Up for debate. Test 600 and ai and you're side free.

However if you used 200 test and 400 deca you may not need the AI. Won't bloat as much and lower e2 meaning no impact on blood pressure.

Same with tren + mast at 400 and keeping test at 200.

200 test always in for libido. You need to weight the sides for particular compounds. usually minor.

Me with 400 deca + 200 test less sexy time than 600 test. You get the point. Just need to weight the minor sides with which mix upto 600mg.

>What, would you as a future doc, recommend as a beinnger cycle? Lay it all out.

I'll simplify, 1 is for lean person 2 is for fatty who need to loose some bodyfat.

1. LEAN PERSON wanting to gain weight.
600mg test PW + aromasin .25mg x 2 per week (need to tailor though through bloodwork or feels)

OR

400 deca
200 test (most likely no need for AI as deca conversion to estrogen is low)

2. For FAT LOSS
1. 200 test + 400 mast
or
2. 200 test + 400 tren
Again most likely AI not needed ( if want start low .25 aromasin per week)

These are two extremely safe dosages and simple use of compounds for either bulking or leaning FOR THE ABSOLUTE FIRST TIME NOOB.

FUTURE DOC OUT.

>Tfw 3 weeks into my first cycle with just test e, which isn't supposed to havr kicked in yet, and yet strength gains are through the roof
Feelsgoodman

>has taken steroids
>is dumb as fuck

really jogs the noggin

steroid user = cheat

Manlets should be banned from using steroids. Anyone under 6'4 should also be banned from Olympia, sick of seeing manlets get up on stage, I don't care how good a Lee Priest looks, manlets only business is being a jockey.

>damaging your heart
>destabilizing your hormones
>triggering mental illness
>gyno
>acne
>swelling
>cholesterol risks
>liver damage
>unsustainable

"fitness"

I don't care people do them. I just think they're fucking dumb. You're basically shortening your life for short term gains.

>Kidney tests revealed that nine of the ten steroid users developed a condition called focal segmental glomerulosclerosis, a type of scarring within the kidneys. The kidney damage in the bodybuilders has similarities to that seen in morbidly obese patients, but appears to be even more severe

Basically they have nothing to do with fitness. So I don't know why they even post here.

That type of kidney damage only comes with oral steroids. Injecting bypasses that shit completely

>I don't care people do them. I just think they're fucking dumb. You're basically shortening your life for short term gains.

I've been blasting and cruising for 4 years senpai.

Unfortunately a medical condition in my late teens means an early grave most likely.

I'm hedging my bets that the risks associated with AAS use will be the least of my worries once I'm in my 40's

Sure thing buddy

>If you take any supplements at all then you have no right to bitch about people that use steroids.

oh boy here we go

> Respecting """cheaters""" trying to go past their skill ceiling
> Hating on those trying to go past their natty limit

How do you rationalize this?

It's posts like these why people end up roiding anyway. You are not the person they're doing it for.

Your maj is Veeky Forums?

daily reminder that if you use roids then you are automatically human trash.

Avoid them like the Black Plague.

They are especially cancerous because they do it all 100% for vanity, and have the most insecure and narcissistic personalities possible.

Literally if you take steroids but aren't seriously into sports you are an absolute fucking retard.

>damaging your heart
Nothing will happen to your heart if you do 2 cycles with 500 mg of test e a week. Cardio also helps.
>destabilizing your hormones
They go back to normal after you hop off.
>>gyno
>acne
AI
>triggering mental illness
Source
>liver damage
Only on orals

itt steroid junkies trying to justify their horrid lifestyle decision.

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How is it horrid?

I used to think like you but honestly, ive changed my mind
While being fit isnt the only thing important in dating for instance its a massive help and seeing how extreme the competition has gotten you kind of need to roid to get an edge

personality and looks matter too but it seems every other guy i see is equal height to me (6'2'') and juicy as fuck and there are around 10 guys for every girl, half of the guys are 6'0+, good looking juicy atleast look successful, cant say for sure

no respect
no respect

Anyone carrying around as much hate as you is probably just jealous and can't find a connection. Normal people don't talk with as much bitterness as you. It's ok user. Girls might still like you even if you're weak and thin.

>I'm going to have a 28 FFMI natty

Yeah, ok bro.

>implying anyone needs a respect for an autistic permavirgin

Not that I use them, but who cares if others use roids?

>They go back to normal after you hop off.
This is my nr 1 issue, i dont want to be a low test fag for the rest of my life because i wanted a temp boost to my test levels

>i dont want to be a low test fag for the rest of my life because i wanted a temp boost to my test levels

Mother nature has a surprise in store for you...

...spoiler...

........your test naturally declines with age.

Why not use a moderate amount of 'gear' to enhance your physical appearance to have a greater chance of procreating with a hottie when you're young. Once aging kicks in come off and opt for TRT for the rest of your life.

Its basically hacking biology. Women do it all the fucking time. Makeup is a big one, push up bra's, undergarments that shapes them, fake personalities.

So anons just don't go full retarded and get blood work done whilst blasting and cruising, go vegetarian like me ;))))

Take HCG on cycle and while your on PCT, and they'll go back to normal. They might even end up higher than before your cycle.

tren on first cycle ? ok i know you are just reading shit online

happy belated birthday your majesty

>your test naturally declines with age.
I know and im 29 right now so it would be a perfect age for me to begin. I am fit right now but i want to be better

>chance of procreating with a hottie when you're young.
Dunno bout this though. Ive gotten laid and had relationships but ive not noticed a massive gain in dating sucess from lifting. If anything lifting has made it harder for me in dating because now i feel people think im self obsessed (and i am, to a degree in that i dont give a fuck about what they think)

Ive been looking into peptides as well and im all for the hacking biology thing, looking better and feeling better is the goal so anything to reach it

Natty lanklet here, I wish I could go on a cycle.

I hold no grudge against steroid users, in fact I envy them.

The only reason I can't cycle is because I don't live on my own yet, I have no connect, and because I might join the service very soon.

>tren on first cycle ? ok i know you are just reading shit online

*sigh*

Don't need to prove shit. Take what you will.

Also a nice cruise that you could run indefinitely and keep healthy would be

300test, .25 aroomasin or .5 arimidex. and .4mg duestride.

Still would prefer to tailor the AI with blood work around say week 3-4.

Straight from bbing doc.

How do steroids affect the heart?

only the ones who take it because they dont know how to train or eat properly and think supplements are key

Fuck, do I need to learn new units of measurement for lifting now?

Don't even worry about gear. Unless you're 40 or bench 275x5, squat 365x5, and deadlift, 455x5, you aren't even close to strong or old enough to warrant roids.

>not knowing about the Fat Free Mass Index

Hello, newfriend. Enjoying your stay?

Those lifts aren't particularly impressive. I benched 330x5, squatted 450 x5, and diddylifted just under 5plated for 5 before I started roiding.

Im 29 and my stats are below:
Lift: 1repmax/5 reps
Bench: 140kg/120kg
Squat: 180kg/130kg
Diddly: 210kg/180kg

Im 185cm and weigh in at 90kg but i think i look like absolute horseshit
Id take roids for the added boost on my way to looking great desu

>inb4 those arent good stats
No, never said they were but its where ive ended up and now im looking to push forward and increase

have the steroids fried your fucking brain?

I can't respect them when they claim to be natty, which 90% of them do.

t. faggot who visited one medicine lecture

>Nothing will happen to your heart if you do 2 cycles with 500 mg of test e a week. Cardio also helps.
implying it stays at 2 cycles

>They go back to normal after you hop off.

if you're unlucky you're hormones are permanently fucked

>AI

hairloss comes to mind

>Source

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8534221
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23613517

pretty much confirms to even start roiding you have to be a mentally fucked retard

>Only on orals

if you buy shitty lab AS there are waste products in the oil getting filtered by your liver and kidneys.

Man our stats are very similar, except I'm 178 cm, 87 kg

>Bench 140
>Squat 210
>Deadlift 240

How the fuck do you train bench? I keep lifting my butt up and lately my form has gone to absolute shit. I can't seem to fix it for some reason.

Imo roiders are comparable to people with issues such as anorexia or bulimia.

>Never big enough
>Unhappy with outwards appearance
>Gay
>Vain little bitches

Thoughts on dnp/dosing?

>if you take supplements you have no right to bitch about steroids
Yeah because taking protein in powdered form is the same thing as injecting yourself with large doses of male hormones!

>extra vitamins = take it to build muscle/repair faster
>steroids = take it to build muscle/repair faster
they shouldn't even be in the same list, it's like comparing an apple to an elephant.Fucking cuck.

If you just want to be healthy and take your vitamins you lack, you are not in the same list as steroid users, moron.

What if you just take like 1 cycle of test just to speed up your progress so you don't have to wait 2 years to reach your goals? Nothing wrong with that. Everyone has their reasons.

I don't give steroid users respect for their physique simply because most of the work done is from the steroids, this has been proven time and time again, steroids do most of the work, they completely eliminate training variables from the equation too.

"Just train harder man" t. steroid user

you can't just "train harder" if you're natural, in fact you can't also just train less, you actually gotta use your head and find out what works for you, instead of relying on external hormonal injections to put you in an anabolic state 24/7 regardless of post training protein muscle synthesis spikes or post protein digestion spikes.

But nobody gives a shit about you or your "respect"

I don't care. Just don't pretend you are a role model or a hard worker if you roid

Nobody gives a shit about you or your steroid built body unless you're actually not shit.

But if I don't pretend I'm some God among mortal men, and mind my own business, what's it to you?