Not a single piece of evidence that he had anything to do with the Holocaust (that did happen so this isn't a Holocaust...

That's not evidence.

How so?

It wouldn't hold up in court for starters.

That's not true, it would be an eligible piece of evidence to provide in a court case.

>"...the greater the number of Jews liquidated, the more consolidated will the situation in Europe be after this war."-Mar 6, 1942

>"The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 per cent can be used for forced labor."-Mar 27, 1942

>""Short shrift is made of the Jews in all eastern occupied areas. Tens of thousands of them are liquidated."-april 29,1942

>"At bottom, however, I believe both the English and the Americans are happy that we are exterminating the Jewish riff-raff."-Dec 13, 1942

>"We are now definitely pushing the Jews out of Berlin. ... On the Jewish question, especially, we have taken a position from which there is no escape."-March 2, 1943

>"[Hitler] approved of my measures and specifically ordered me to make Berlin entirely free of Jews."-March 9, 1943

>"There is therefore no other recourse left for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew...."-may 13, 1943

what did he mean by this?

>if necessary by applying most brutal methods.
that's vague af

stop feeding the trolls

>"If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"-Jan 31, 1939

youtube.com/watch?v=05LovzXyT_M

>"And we say that the war will not end as the Jews imagine it will, namely with the uprooting of the Aryans, but the result of this war will be the complete annihilation of the Jews."-Jan 30, 1942

what did he mean by this?

no it isnt.

What would you consider to be the most brutal method one could use?

>Israeli historians conclude there's nothing that specifically ties Hitler to the Holocaust
>user who can't read but can make emotional arguments thinks otherwise

Really makes ya think...

>"I also want to talk to you, quite frankly, on a very grave matter. Among ourselves it should be mentioned quite frankly, and yet we will never speak of it publicly. Just as we did not hesitate on June 30th, 1934 to do the duty we were bidden, and stand comrades who had lapsed, up against the wall and shoot them, so we have never spoken about it and will never [p. 65] speak of it. It was that tact which is a matter of course and which I am glad to say, is inherent in us, that made us never discuss it among ourselves, never to speak of it. It appalled everyone, and yet everyone was certain that he would do it the next time if such orders are issued and if it is necessary. I mean the clearing out of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race. It's one of those things it is easy to talk about - "The Jewish race is being exterminated", says one party member, "that's quite clear, it's in our program - elimination of the Jews, and we're doing it, exterminating them." And then they come, 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. Of course the others are vermin, but this one is an A-1 Jew. Not one of all those who talk this way has witnessed it, not one of them has been through it. Most of you must know what it means when 100 corpses are lying side by side, or 500 or 1000. To have stuck it out and at the same time - apart from exceptions caused by human weakness - to have remained decent fellows, that is what has made us hard. This is a page of glory in our history which has never been written and is never to be [p. 66] written, for we know how difficult we should have made it for ourselves, if - with the bombing raids, the burdens and the deprivations of war - we still had Jews today in every town as secret saboteurs, agitators and trouble-mongers. We would now probably have reached the 1916/17 stage when the Jews were still in the German national body."-Oct 4, 1943
youtube.com/watch?v=2a_cmbi3iIg
what did he mean by this?

>hehe i trol u

>giving direct quotes from nazi leaders, including hitler himself, is an appeal to emotion
>using typical myopic denier retardation when examining the holocaust
>unironcially believing that the holocaust happaned without hitler knowing anything about it
>unironically thinking that the SS, Hitlers (not the nazi parties) personal militia force, carried out this genocide without him knowing anything about it.
>intentionally ignoring all the fiercely antisemitic ideals that hitler expressed, up to the point of him outright saying WW2 would result in the annihilation of jews in europe

>Heinrich Himmler (the man responsible for the Holocaust) speaks about the Holocaust
>this somehow is proof that Hitler ordered and knew about all of this

Okay. You clearly can't read and/or have low IQ. My last response.

>unironcially believing that the holocaust happaned without hitler knowing anything about it
>unironically thinking that the SS, Hitlers (not the nazi parties) personal militia force, carried out this genocide without him knowing anything about it.

I'M NOT SAYING IT HAPPENED LIKE THAT I'M SAYING THERE IS NO CONCRETE FUCKING PROOF OF IT, YOU ILLITERATE FUCKING COCKSUCKER

Learn to fucking read, mongoloid.

>be op, la creatura del abismo
>wake up at 12pm
>brush cheeto dust off your chest and take insulin shot
>time to redpill some normies outside of /pol/
>stumble upon Veeky Forums
>realize there are only 50 threads holocaust denial threads after checking the catalog
>WTF
>time to hit these cucks with some FACTS
>"ummm guys did you know that holocaust never actually happened and that hitler was actually a good guy??"
>proceed to post cherrypicked photos of modern day paris and paris under nazi occupation
>get too excited and run out of breath
>down a full liter of mountain dew and a plate of frozen enchiladas to gather enough strength for the final push
>"ummm i'm not even a nazi but-"
>*endless stream of nazi propaganda along with some himmler quotes"
>barely manage to hit submit button from all the excitement
>mission completed
>go to blacked.com and watch some cuck porn to celebrate

Really makes you think.

>I'M NOT SAYING IT HAPPENED LIKE THAT
yes you clearly are, and are now pulling this "Im only asking questions" bullshit since you realize now just how stupid you are being.

So goebbels knew about it, Himmler knew about it, Goring knew about it, but Hitler just didnt have any idea this shit was going on?

>hitler knew nothing about the holocaust but himmler organized it
imagine being this intelligent

Actually the basis of this thread was a claim "not a single piece of evidence", moving onto a shrieking claim of "no concrete proof" is already considerable backtracking. Not only that it is highly subjective as I rather suspect you are the type of individual who will just refuse to accept anything as "concrete".

THERE IS NO PROOF OF IT

I DON'T FUCKING CARE THAT IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY HE KNEW

THERE ISN'T PROOF OF IT

ISRAELI HISTORIANS KNOW THIS, BUT YOU DON'T

Stop spamming my thread, you illiterate fucking retard.

nazism was polycratic with competing power centres and an inaccessible Fuhrer who didn't even wrote down most of his orders

Himmler, Göring and Goebbels were all doing their own stupid little shit. It's almost impossible to tell what Hitler's knowledge and ultimate involvement was.

>Israelis are kings of all history and what they say goes

Göring's letter only talks about emigration and evacuation though

holocaust.umd.umich.edu/news/uploads/WanseeProtocols.pdf
>Another possible solution of the problem has now taken the place of
emigration, i.e. the evacuation of the Jews to the East, provided that
the Führer gives the appropriate approval in advance.

So Goebbels knew about it, Goring knew about it, Himmler knew about it, Hitler made speeches about annihilating jews, the nazi ideology and propaganda is obsessed with their hatred of jews, and Heydrich said in the Wannsee conference that the "movement of jews" to the east wouldnt happen unless it had der fuhrers approval. But again, Hitler had no fucking idea any of this was going on anyway

And where were they evacuated to exactly?

I'm not denying, I'm saying the terminology employed by Göring makes it possible that he himself didn't know about the full scope of what Himmler and Heydrich did

That's all true, but Hitler still held ultimate power, he was never a puppet of any of his underlings and they derived their power from him.

While it is certainly accurate they could do "stupid little shit" without Hitler knowing or caring it seems exceptionally improbable that a genocide that spanned a continent and killed millions could take place without Hitler knowing about it and endorsing it, that's not "stupid little shit".

>While it is certainly accurate they could do "stupid little shit" without Hitler knowing or caring it seems exceptionally improbable that a genocide that spanned a continent and killed millions could take place without Hitler knowing about it and endorsing it, that's not "stupid little shit".
you're clearly not familiar with the functionalist hypothesis of Holocaust research

Fuctionalism has largely been BTFO in academic circles.

The consensus among actual historians is that Hitlers obsessive hatred with jews overide any functionalism he had. He would rather lose the war and kill all jews rather than the opposite.

I could say the same about intentionalism

Possibly, to clarify further that sort of extreme functionalism implied by OP has been BTFO and was never mainstream in the first place.

The debate between intentionalism and functionalism is primarily a debate between whether the Nazis (including Hitler) intended to conduct a mass genocide to start with or whether it was a policy that developed over time. Claiming Hitler knew nothing of it is a fringe functionalist position not a mainstream functionalist position and one not really supported by any common sense and one largely disproven by Goebbel's diaries, which were not published until the '90s.

>literally is elected on basis of his staunch borderline autistic defense of the idea that jews and slavs are responsible for all that was bad in germany because they were literally the only non-german groups in germany and MUH GERMAN IS A GOOD BOY DINDU NUTHIN
>80 years later, germans are still staunch borderline autisticaly trying to convince the world that germans iz a good boy dindu nuthin
Daily reminder that the only way to save Europe and the white race is the complete genocide and extermination of the german people

en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/proof

>1mass noun Evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.

It is indeed proof, retard. Learn to read.

Getting them out does not imply killing them considering the multiple known plans of deporting the jews to palestine or madagaskar or forcing them to self deport (which many did until their freedom of movement was limited in 1941)

As are you: Functionalism posits that there were several "rounds" of interaction, and that the final idea to deal with the Jewish Question came from the bottom up, not the top down.

Just because the original idea of mass-killing Jews didn't necessarily originate from Hitler doesn't mean that he didn't fucking know what was going on.

No it hasn't.

That has nothing to do with "functionalism" applied to Holocaust historiography. Functionalism (as opposed to intentionalism) posits that the Nazi regime got more murderous towards Jews and other Untermenschen over time, and that Hitler did not seize power in 1933 with the concrete plan of murdering all Jews in Europe; rather, that developed gradually, and in large part from the "middle management" of the Nazi regime.

first of all, you need to understand that hitler wasn't just a writer or an ideologue who's ideas inspired others to kill jews
hitler was a totalitarian control obsessed leader that controlled every aspect of german daily life and politics, pulling all the strings and making all big decisions
second of all, nazi power structure wasn't divided into sectors where everyone just did whatever they wanted without hitler's knowledge
and third, do you honestly believe that hitler, man who directly controlled ss, sa and all german secret intelligence services knew NOTHING about german death camps? are you saying that average russian peasant was better informed that the fuhrer himself?

The Madagascar plan largely involved the hope most of the Jews would just die there as it could not support their numbers. Also you are casually ignoring the most telling phrase "if necessary by applying most brutal methods."

You seem to be agreeing with me. Did you reply to the right post, user?

wow, besides soap made from human fat and soup from bodies, this definitely wins among these stupid stories

>No it hasn't.
Apologies, the post you replied to was a bit trite and simplistic, I clarified here

Straight from the program of the NSDAP 1932

This is evidence

sorry m8, my mistake

(as recorded by Goebbels in his diary): "As concerns the Jewish question, the Führer is determined to make a clean sweep. He had prophesied to the Jews that if they once again brought about a world war they would experience their own extermination. This was not just an empty phrase. The World War is there, the extermination of Jewry must be the necessary consequence. This question must be seen without sentimentality. We are not here in order to have sympathy with the Jews, rather we sympathize with our own German people. If the German people have now once again sacrificed as many as 160,000 dead in the Eastern campaign, then the authors of this bloody conflict must pay with their lives."
It is unlikely that Hitler knew the details and the nitty-gritty of the Holocaust, that was Himmler's task, but Hitler was interested in the progress of the Final Solution and the SS statistician Richard Korherr, who wrote a 16 page report about this progress, was ordered to compress it to 6.5 pages specifically for Hitler. So yes, Hitler obviously knew. (That's just the gist of it, one could go on.)
ns-archiv.de/verfolgung/korherr/korherr-lang.php
ns-archiv.de/verfolgung/korherr/korherr-begleitschreiben.php
ns-archiv.de/verfolgung/korherr/korherr-kurz.php

What did Hitler mean by this

"The Jews are the bane of mankind. If the Jews will be allowed to do as they will, like they are permitted in their Soviet heaven, then they will fulfill their most insane plans. And thus Russia became the center to the world's illness ... if for any reason, one nation would endure the existence of a single Jewish family, that family would eventually become the center of a new plot. If there are no more Jews in Europe, nothing will hold the unification of the European nations ... this sort of people cannot be integrated in the social order or into an organized nation. They are parasites on the body of a healthy society, that live off of expulsion of decent people. One cannot expect them to fit into a state that requires order and discipline. There is only one thing to be done with them: To exterminate them. The state holds this right since, while precious men die on the battlefront, it would be nothing less than criminal to spare these bastards. They must be expelled, or – if they pose no threat to the public – to be imprisoned inside concentration camps and never be released."

July 21st, 1941

Bane?

Tell me, why does he wear the star?

Himmler looks exactly like my neighbor who's a Jewish accountant.

>yet to produce any gassed bodies
>yet to produce a single deathcamp not reconstructed by Soviets
>yet to produce any ash
>yet to produce any of the torture/death devices from any of the camps
>yet to produce any of Mengele's twisted experiments
>yet to produce any orders to gas (must have been top secret mundane coded metaphors like "pay their medical bills", eh?)
>yet to explain why they used delousing spray (even with a missing, hard to source ingredient)
>yet to explain how they could move heavy bodies out of the single door showers at such a rate
>yet to explain how the Jewish survivors went to the same death-showers multiple times (and just got clean that time, phew)
>yet to explain the flimsy not-airtight wooden doors of the gas chambers
>yet to explain how the small number of camp bread ovens were faster than modern cremation chambers
>yet to explain why the human bodies created smoke
>yet to explain why the honour and dignity obsessed Germans, who shot any men who raped or acted dishonourably (at least, until they were being fucked in Russia) would want to engage in worse barbarism than ISIS
>yet to produce any counterarguments to the Havaraa Agreement and Madigascar plans
>yet to produce any German records
>yet to produce any reason as to why the Germans paid through their (goyish) nose to look after, house, pay the medical bill, entertain and hold the jews in transport ghettos, or why their goods were processed legally through the german finance offices as a part of the resettlement to Israel process
>yet to disprove Irving's discoveries
>yet to explain why these questions are punishable by prison (also your lawyer will go to jail)

>yet to explain why over 100,000 Jews volunteered in the Wehrmacht long before Jews were rounded up and put in ghettos
>yet to explain why the Germans made their citizens pay reparations to Jews immediately after Kristallnacht
>yet to explain why Hitler purchased the entire Island of Madagascar for billions from the hostile French, met with Rabbis who first wanted to move to Madagascar, then when that was found to be inhospitable and untenable, settled on the biblical Israel and signed a concord with the Jewish councils
>yet to counter the evidence that Jews were acting as subversive communist agitators, trade buoycotters and double agents sabotaging the burgeoning German economy and were rounded up like Americans rounded up spies Japs
>yet to explain why the 6 million number is still in use despite being revised by the CAMP HISTORIANS THEMSELVES
>yet to explain why Judeia declared war on Germany long before any camps were formed
>yet to explain why the Jews attempted to claim 6 Million Chosen were holocausted after WW1 (but no one believed them)
>yet to produce any legitimate reason why the Germans would feel enmity to Jews

I fuggin hate ebil Hitler :DDD

>Yet to explain why they wouldn't have just put a bullet in their neck/head like every 1st and 3rd world genocide
>yet to explain why the Germans would kill their essential POW labour force
>yet to explain why they allegedly buried the bodies next to water sources then dug them back up
>yet to counter the records that the prisoners had contracted Typhus from lice and needed to be shaved and their clothes fumigated regularly
Etc