Were moors actually black?

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Bantu aren't the only niggers, neither west or east Africans are Bantu and both have a Muslim majority.

>The finding of African ancestry in Southern Europe dating to ~55 generations ago, or ~1,600 years ago assuming 29 years per generation, needs to be placed in historical context. The historical record documents multiple interactions of African and European populations over this period. One potential opportunity for African gene flow was during the period of Roman occupation of North Africa that lasted until the early 5th century AD, and indeed tomb inscriptions and literary references suggest that trade relations continued even after that time. North Africa was also a supplier of goods and products such as wine and olive oil to Italy, Spain and Gaul from 200–600 AD, and Morocco was a major manufacturer of the processed fish sauce condiment, garum, which was imported by Romans. In addition, there was slave trading across the western Sahara during Roman times. Another potential source of some of the African ancestry, especially in Spain and Portugal, is the invasion of Iberia by Moorish armies after 711 AD. If the Moors already had some African ancestry when they arrived in Southern Europe, and then admixed with Iberians, we would expect the admixture date to be older than the date of the invasion, as we observe.

—Moorjani et al. 2011

Moor is not a race. Jesus Christ stop these raciology thread.

No, they were north africans who are various shades of brown.

The whole thing is fucked up though.
Europeans historically portrayed them as vastly darker than they were because of three reasons.

1. They often wanted to exaggerate their blackness as a point of contrast or statement
2. The term for all people not white was "black", including some Irish, which, leading onto point three
3. Many artists had never actually seen a moor, they just knew they were "black" which is why they painted them black. Notice how they always have nearly coal black skin in these paintings, most black Africans dont even have skin that dark.

This is not to say that some black Africans were not in north Africa by this period, they were, but they weren't everybody.

North Africans have some (maternal) African ancestry, around 5-10%, but they are Caucasian race-wise.

PROOF OR FUCK OFF

>Europeans have often portrayed moors very stereotypically, but were they actually part of the negroid race?

Show me examples of European historical art portraying moors as black. I don't think that happens.

Are you talking about Othello? The obsession with trying to insist Othello was black is a recent thing.

Some Berber dinasties used blacks slave warriors, and lots of slaves where black, but the Lower, Middle and upper class where not that different from Canarians and others berbers. The Morocans have a lot (around ten or a bit more %) of maternal sub saharan ancestry, but that's because they loved to have a women slave cooker to help the main wife.

>they loved to have a women slave cooker to help the main wife
Based Moors helping their wives with housework

>Some Berber dinasties used blacks slave warriors
Yes indeed, all of the most important ones actually. In the times of Yusuf ibn Tachfin, the elite unit of the Almoravid army was made up of 2400 black horsemen and 240 white (mostly Iberian, I think).

>Were moors actually black?
Ever seen a Moroccan?

No, they weren't.

Go to fucking North Africa, they're brown. Things have not changed that much in 800 years.

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So your telling me you can't find east Africans with Brown??

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_Science_Temple_of_America

msta1913.org/

what

Christians looks like wojaks desu

Why do white people get so triggered at the idea that Black muslims lived in areas of Europe that were Muslim owned ?

No.
Moors of hispania were mix of berbers and original spanish inhabitants with some arab high class.
"Black moor" is medieval european exagerated propaganda.
Emirate/Caliphate of Córdoba did indeed use some african slave soldiers, but it was never wide spread.
Muslims used to trade african slaves in domestic use, males would be castrated while females used for harem and household chores.

yes! but only a small amount.
there were likely Tuareg(black Berbers) warriors in the Umayyad army pic related, that's probably where the myth started.

No. That's French / Anglo orientalist cuck porn. Here's some period depictions of Islamic Moors.

I'd trust period artists, vs. some Afrocentrist clown.

Tuareg weren't black berber, they where normal berbers than dominated the black slave trade, and thuse had a lot more black slaves than the rest, misgenation being way more common. Also they have separate castes, being the descendents of slaves inferior to the normal ones.

That's after centuries of selective breeding with European slaves.

artistic license to emphasize the "good vs evil" trope
same way why angels were portrayed as blonde haired people wearing white immaculate robes while demons displayed draconic features despite both being the same "species"

The Morocans had a lot more Black slaves than white ones. The Andalusians where the ones than had more Christian/slav slaves (partly because in general they had richer cities, tough lots of Portuary cities in North Africa where quite Rich), if you want to look how berbers looked, you don't go to the cities, but to the more rural, Atlas parts.

No but they were dark skinned berbers

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Morocco is the worst example you could pick. That country is anywhere from 20-25% Sub Saharan African thanks to recent admixture.

It is closer to 10-12%

>Europeans have often portrayed moors very stereotypically, but were they actually part of the negroid race?
>posts pic where you see tanned arabs and not negroids

That being said, negros always were a big population in middle eastern and obviously african countries, what a fucking surprise.

>negros always were a big population in middle eastern and obviously african countries

But those are probably native iberians converted to islam, not moors.

There were a few black moors but they were largely berbers and arabs

if you read the Cantigas of Alfonso X you can see that the story of one of the images is set on the Morocco of the 12th-13th century... i'm too lazy to find you my source

That's flat out wrong. They where a minority because they where mostly slaves. Like Slavs or other people enslaved like early Turks. In Noth Africa they where only common at some periods because slavery of the sub saharans be the tuaregs or some arabs tribes in the sudan. Heck, in lots of parts like Siria right now they still enslave them.

*Libia.
In Siria they enslaved the Yahidis...

Europeans depict anyone outside of Europe to be of darker skin, even if most the populous is white like in Turkey people will still have the notion that they're dark.

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And don't forget south Italian-Arab Moor mutts

This. MOORS WERE NIGGERS is a meme invented by westerners, literally created to emphasize the supposed savagery of Moors. Like in Othello for example.

Moors were meds so not black

>most the populous is white like in Turkey
turkroach pls

whiter than you mohammed xdd