Why after Gladiator we got so few films about ancient Rome?

Because the major studios are run by fucking cunt executives that take precisely 0 risks and reduce everything to a lowest common denominator of demographics, audience share and marketability.

So if you get anything "historical" at all it's going to contain elements of;-
>stronk womyn warrior don't need no man
>stronk 'moorish'/asian/whatever flavour of the week shoehorned into the plot in case an all-white cast causes a race riot
>said 'moor'/asian/whatever will be 100% accepted by all the white people and little to nothing will be said about their cultural background except in a romanticised 'Ooh I'm bringing my magical rich cultural heritage to the amazed white people' way
>apart from the bad guys who will make on derisive comment about their background and then never mention it again
>They will UNIVERSALLY fuck with armour/weapons because they want things to look cool/mechandise it
>They will also reduce civilisations to a set of narrow, unhistorical archetypes to fuel the plot and because they cater to fucking morons who want to know who to root for. Prime example, the fucking saxons in Vikings with fucking cavalry, no knowledge of old gods, etc versus the scary/noble savage vikings
>they focus on shit in other media that people think is 'iconic' or often quoted. Eg. fucking 300 style 'shield walls' that are a circle
>they focus on dramatic scenes rather than fucking logic, eg. again fucking vikings LOL LET'S GO WALK SLOWLY THROUGH A VAST FUCKING PLAIN TOWARDS THAT FUCKING TOWER WITH LIKE 700 PEOPLE WITH CROSSBOWS ON TOP LOL LETS NOT EVEN LOOK AT THE FUCKING WOODS TO OUR LEFT FLANK
>Again, archetypes. 'Civilised' franks with the cowardly mass produced crossbows and traps versus manly vikings with their manly axes and the occasional irrelevant bowman
>oh and for anything egyptian, pic related is 100% representative of their proud nubian culture throughout time
etc, etc, etc

This being said, Ironclad was not bad and Kingdom of Heaven also had it's moments.

>You will never become a wealthy director and pour all your time into making accurate historical epics

Trips of truth. Feels bad man.

If you had unlimited funds, what historical event or person would you make a film about. Who would you cast?

Julius Caesar played by Idris Elba

And the Roman is played by a nigger too.

Julius Caesar or Augustus

Napoleon trilogy

Gladiator remake with Tom Hardy

I’d do a miniseries of the First World War. About 12 episodes, focusing on different angles and surrounding events.
I’d start the series off at the Belgrade cafe, where Gavrilo Princip and his fellow assassins are given a clip of newspaper saying Archduke Ferdinand is coming to Sarajevo. The first episode would be on the assassination and the immediate fallout with the episode ending with Germany marching into Belgium.
Second episode would be the Battle of the Frontiers to the Marne. I’d have Winston Churchill as the main character on the British administrative level, Ludendorff as the German administrative main character. Adolf Hitler would also be a main character to give the natural foreshadowing as well as the ground perspective. He’d be first featured when he famously runs out and grabs his officer.
I’d also like to show parts of the Armenian Genocide, Rasputin and the October Revolution, maybe von Lettow-Vorbeck in Africa.
I’d have it so every character speaks their native language and subtitled appropriately to give it extra realism. I’d have the battles be epic and brutal. Just a really big cinematic experience of the First World War. I want it to end with Foch saying “this isn’t peace, this is a 20 year armistice!”

>subtitled appropriately

pleb

byzantine-sasanian war of 602-628

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siege of vienna

I would make a miniseries about the first world war based upon important post-war figures trying to come to term with their military experiences. This would primarily focus on literary figures and well known names such as Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, Siegfriend Sassoon and Hemingway but I would also focus on people such as Clement Atlee.

What I would try and focus on is how the war completely changed their worldview and how it showed in their work. I guess it risks exlcuding ordinary people but I would try and show how they were part of the generation that signed up and were simply fortunate enough to survive and have later success and that they were part of the wider shift in the post-war period.

It's not a great idea but I only really started to realize how life changing the war must have been for everyone when I read this quote from Tolkien:

> "One has indeed personally to come under the shadow of war to feel fully its oppression; but as the years go by it seems now often forgotten that to be caught in youth by 1914 was no less hideous an experience than to be involved in 1939 and the following years. By 1918 all but one of my close friends were dead."

I think it would be a more interesting take on WW1 than the shit the BBC puts out which is just stale.

Either that or a Band of Brothers type miniseries on Vietnam.

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>I’d have it so every character speaks their native language and subtitled appropriately to give it extra realism

Many movies do that but still fuck up big times when it comes to "historical realism" because they forget that English wasn't te lingua franca until WW2
This is a major fuck up in movies like "Arn,The Knight Templar" or "The Last of the Mohicans"

For exemple, in a linguistically accurate movie about WW1, interactions between diplomats or officers that speak different languages would occur in French and not in English

Second Punic War

Bay of the pigs invasion

Reconquista

Its because they're really expensive, and studios don't want to take risks. If they're going to drop 100,000,000s of dollars on a project, they want it to be a bright flashy quippy bubblegum picture show based on a comic book or a video game or a fantasy novel. Not a bloody, historically accurate, story about a culture that's pretty alien to today's audience. Plus, Rome doesn't appeal to non-westerners as much as it does to westerners (though that may be just because westerns haven't become familiar with the cool aspects of Rome yet), and hollywood wants those Yuans too much to branch out.

here's a you, but of course, the citizens of whatever country you're from are on average dumber than the cards in my briefcase

They were cool for a while, but a lot of these are B movies or have fantastical elements sadly. People were suddenly into fantasy because LOTR and then super heroes for some reason.

I'd be into this. A miniseries would be better though. In the style of I, Claudius maybe.

A trilogy about Nappy

1. The Rise of Napoleon
>his birth and childhood
>the siege of Toulon
>his campaign in Italy and Egypt
>his coup and rise to the head of France as consul

2. The Glory of Napoleon
>his coronation as Emperor
>his victory at Austerlitz
>his victory at Jena
>his victory at Friedland
>basically his take over of Europe

3. The Downfall of Napoleon
>the Russian campaign
>the German campaign
>the fall of Paris
>the Hundred Days
>his exile and death

Gay

what is this image
>British uniform
>some with SMLE (not technically smle's but yeah)
>couple guys with springfield
>american satchels?
>American Stuart tank from WW2
>American hat on guy in the tank?

Cold war Congo Crisis could be cool

This would be better as a 12 or 13 part limited series. I feel like a movie or series of movies would steamroll over many parts of his youth like deserting the army to fight with Paoli.

you cant show people who owned slaves as protagonists.

My dream movie is a big budget epic about the Bar Kokhba revolt. There's never been a good ancient historical epic about Jews, apart from The 10 Commandments and Ben Hur, I guess. But I want a film with bloody, grim, terrorist-style warfare between Jews and Romans. I want a story about Jews that isn't just moping around and crying about being persecuted. This would be a movie about Jews standing up to the people they feel insulted by, and actually fighting them, and having it be ambiguous as to whether they're in the right or not. Whether your religion, and the traditions of your father, and your father's father are worth defending with blood. The fact that they fail spectacularly would imply that, no, they are not. But then again, the fact that the Jews live on today while the roman religion does not is evidence that this sort of extremism actually does end up letting you win. Its a very complex think-piece sort of story, which I wish Hollywood would have the balls to make.

>Ironclad was not bad
You were right about so many things, user...

finish HBO Rome, carrying through the Antonines up until the death of Constantine the Great

probably run a couple offshoot miniseries like Alexander the greek war guy and maybe a half decent hannibal if im arsed

I feel like Kingdom of Heaven is damn underrated. It's definitely a "the era in question through a modern lens" sort of historical, so not at all but more like a modern interpretation of modern issues using history as an excuse to not get banned or rioted against.

The Last Days of Hannibal Barca. Or, perhaps, his last days commanding the Carthaginians up to the battle of Zama.

I once wrote a short story for a class detailing a hypothetical discussion between him and Scipio. Their actual discussion is lost to history, so I liked coming up with stuff that built on their parallels and relative life trajectories. Hannibal a seasoned (though tired) warrior, Scipio the (fabulously successful) upstart. Both seemingly driven by revenge, both brilliant generals, etc, etc.

It's probably not great, except for my own nostalgia, but I still think it'd make a kickass short movie.

I think Alexander Siddig would be a great Hannibal if I could get him to bulk up.Tom Hiddleston has the right attitude for Scipio (youthful, a cunt) and he'd be the exact right age.

Rate?

Its not about balls you dimwit...who the fuck would go see that?

Idk man I googled WW1 and took the first one I saw that was vaguely cinematic even tho I automatically knew it was inaccurate

>Alexander Siddig
he already played hannibal so he'd probably be good at it, yeah

Oh, right. I still need to see that.

Also, would anyone care if I posted the story?

jews

>think Alexander Siddig would be a great Hannibal

fuck off Hannibal was not a mulatto

A series of ministeries abiut the constantin dynasty, from constantius to julian

>Hannibal
>Phoenician
>Basically Lebanese
>Not Mulatto
Fuck you too fag.

Post it homo

They're probably American Expeditionary Forces for WW1 since that user just googled "WW1."

The Stuart is silly tho but more understandable from a budget point of view.

Why am I getting an Error: Corrupted file or unsupported file type? It's a fucking pdf.

Is there a link you can post instead?

I always thought Ernest Shackleton's Endurance expedition would make a great movie. I know there's been at least a tv movie with Kenneth Brannagh but this needs to be bigger!

Where's a good site to dump a pdf anonymously?

I found this, seems like an imgur type thing.
pdf-archive.com/

pdf-archive.com/2018/02/13/africanus-hope-this-works/

>The Last Days of Hannibal Barca. Or, perhaps, his last days commanding the Carthaginians up to the battle of Zama.

>Second Punic War

THIS

but actually, make all the Punic wars into a single big Epic, the first war will be setting up upstart Rome, the first big commanders, the Mamertines and the life in ancient, Hellenistic-Punic Sicily, with Agrigantum and cape Ecnomus as the two big set piece battles defining the dramatic escalation of war that the ancient world wasn't used to seeing, show the particular kind of war of the era, formations and manouvers clashing, elephants, skirmishing mercenaries, trirremes, the development of boarding and the ultimate but costly win of Rome, ending with Hannibal's birth and oath of revenge

Second war would have to be at least 3 movies, 1 from Saguntum to Cannae and the darkest hour, then 2 picking up immediately after in the defense of Nola, showing a desperate struggle all the way to the failed siege of Capua, including the siege and fall of Syracuse, Marcellus' shaming, Scipio father dying and the tension among the Socii, and the cities that flipped, and 3 would pick up at the siege of New Carthage showing the young Scipio now showing his brilliance and Rome slowly tying a noose around Hannibal, with the Metaurus signaling Rome's newfound ability to play Hannibal's games, and culminating with Zama, showing massive triumphs but also the irreparable damage of the death and destruction, the countless impoverished and orphaned and the growing wealth.

Third war would actually be slow recount of the macedonian wars that took place after the second punic war, showing glimpses of the absolute behemoth Rome had turned into, moving the Focus to Hannibal in exile and showing Rome's inner politics with Cato and the fear of a renewed Carthage brewing, with the razing of the city being at the very end, and Scipio's mourning of it flashing to the future of the Empire with the German migrations at the gates.

I liked it, user. The character interaction mixed with Hannibal's internal thoughts was good and I like the way the themes of Scipio and Hannibal in each other's roles kept coming up.

Aww! Thank you user. You're too kind.

fuck i want that

Kys

I like it

Jews would never allow themselves to be portrayed as anything other than a perpetual victim.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

manlets have to tell you their political narrative at every possible opportunity, regardless of the actual subject. its what defines them as they arent old enough to have a body of thoughts to rely on yet.

It was just so random it took me off guard.

FUND IT!

Don't forget the token black character Masinissa

Because these days the majority of braindead movie fans prefer retarded superhero shitflicks and cringy fantasy faux-medieval dramas.

Very fucking excited for this upcoming Rome series!

Martin scorsese, Michael hirst

Definitely up everyone's ally here.

youtu.be/Irvx8AsWBb4

>Masinissa
>black

Because they got into Hadjis after 9/11 leading into a LOTR and Harry Potter obsession culminating in an Avatar and Transformers sci-fi phase.
Early 2000's were pretty good for movies, Blackawk Down, Cidade de Deus, Behind Enemy Lines, Pokemon movies, and the first F and F. Beginning in 2002 it all started to go to the trash. Tears of the Son was garbage.

>Michael hirst

Dropped. Vikings is fucking full of historical inaccuracies

Justinian II movie
Rhys Wakefield or Harry Lloyd

Don't be fucking retarded. People don't have to have an actual interest in history to be amused by a story draped in vaguely historic attire. Nor is someone suddenly an intellectual just because they like stories about knights rescuing fair maidens.

It's a HISTORY CHANNEL documentary about WW1

Not even kidding.

Because capeshit took over

I'd make a series about the Second Punic War wherein you follow a wide variety of people from different social classes in different parts of the conflict. Masinissa's story would definitely be one of the larger character-arcs.

I just want something set in the Late Roman period with accurate costumes

That would have been amazing. Especially with the downer ending of a victorious Heraclius riding out to face the arab invaders.

based

I'm surprised nothing like this has yet been done. Kubrick famously dreamed of creating a huge biopic of Napoleon, with a written screenplay and plans to involve ~50,000 extras from the Romanian Army to re-enact set-piece battles but ultimately failed because of financial problems.

In fact I just checked and apparently Spielberg has picked up Kubrick's screenplay and is planning to develop an HBO series.

collider.com/stanley-kubrick-napoleon-hbo-cary-fukunaga/

>with accurate costumes
That would be ridiculously expensive.

You could outfit one person in Late Roman gear for $400ish if you went cheap. 100 extras would be $40,000. Honestly that doesn't seem too expensive considering even cheapo historical dramas have budgets of millions per episode now.

Costumes for movies need to be lighter and look good with artificial lightning for postproduction, real armors are inconvenient and take too long to build even if they arent as expensive.

not the one you replied to but i will use this opportunity to shill this magnificent film. blu ray soon.

imdb.com/title/tt4065552/

that one King Arthur movie

Never! You will get segmentata and you will LIKE it!

Not really historical but an epic nonetheless.
HBO style series with each episode centered on a different Greek myth.
Sort of athology type but the stories are all interconnected leading up to crossovers such as the Titan-Gods war or the Illiad.

> tfw no full alexander the great biopic

The 2004 Alexander movie had pretty good moments, but just felt lackluster. Especially after having read some of the ancient source material it seems that they left huge portions out

The Boer war, show the cruelty of Anglo capitalist-imperialism.

Why is there no realistic, historically accurate porn, with decent cast and credible dialogues...

Which is worse though, a bunch of retarded swamp Germans being racist, or Anglos?

Honestly the boers deserved it

There is still a lack of Late Roman movies and TV series, compared to the very familiar Early Imperial and Late Republic eras. I would like to see a movie or series about Emperor Constantine, Flavius Stilicho, Flavius Aetius, or Flavius Belisarius (Almost everyone had the praenomina/first name Flavius in Late Roman times, for some reason).

Sort of a decent attempt to establish that the Roman military had changed by the 5th century, but it was still mostly off, with regards to historical accuracy. There was still plenty of borrowed Early Imperial stuff, mixed with pseudo-Medieval fantasy gear.

Even in Roman movies or TV productions that feature segmentata types of armor, they cheapen out by going with leather, sometimes, which is annoying. I don't think leather was ever commonly used by the Romans as armor, maybe for some officers, at most.

Somebody call Netflix.

Not OP, but I'm American too and I agree with him. Anti-intellectualism really is cool in the US.

>I don't think leather was ever commonly used by the Romans as armor, maybe for some officers, at most.

The Subarmalis was the only leather anything they worse and it actually was just padding used under real armors.