I want to strengthen my mind

pic related, Veeky Forums seemed to like it when we were dating them.

also read mathematics. nothing in the world will make you more logical if you can hack it. otherwise, read physics - get an undergrad textbook and read it, and you'll find yourself much more able to apply logical thinking to real life scenarios.

This.
Sometimes Veeky Forums still says our name in their sleep.

i get the impression that Veeky Forums doesn't miss us, and they're wasting the opportunity cause i've never seen Veeky Forums to be more accepting of outsiders as when they were here

>mfw e/lit/ist

Try anapana, its a meditation exercise aimed at building your focus and emotional control

sight-reading complicated music, like Bach fugues

Very wrong

>top ten includes books whose primary themes are self-destructive obsession, delusion, drug abuse, impotence, deviant sexuality, and terror/confusion in the face of an uncaring world and often deliberately cruel world

Veeky Forums and Veeky Forums were made for each other

be my Veeky Forums bf?

Can we fucking talk about the count of monte cristo and the turk slave waifu he had?
Think her name was hadee
Even back in highschool that scenario made me hard as diamonds.

>Very wrong

What is. I just started reading the dictionary. Pls enlighten me user.

Well to start with, a consistant meditation habit should be at the top. OP wants a strong mind, and he can train his focus, emotional control, and creativity with a proper meditation habit.

Nature shows and documentaries are good, not shit.

And yeah, while following that list might help out with your logical ability, it's not going to do much for any other sort of intelligence. Ask any calculator.

Read Joyce and Wallace, some hard philosophy books as well

>any other sort of intelligence

What do you mean. I'm going to be stuck with a predetermined intelligence level?

OR

are those abilities not going to give me intelligence in specific domain - engineering, nursing, law, in such a way as to make me rich

>meditate
>read
>learn a new language
>have conversations with people smarter than you
>write

>>write

What do I start writing about?

How my day has been? My thoughts?

Or should I search for random essay topics and then aim for writing a full page?

Thanks for the input everyone - I'm not OP btw.

These guys will tell you what to write.
Ask them about "my dairy desu"

Well, yeah. IQ is a predetermined number, you can't significantly influence it.

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>ITT: bullshit
Just lift, OP. Nobody loved anybody for their brains.

Note: multiple intelligence theory is a way to make everyone feel intelligent. It isn't actually founded on any sort of science, it's a concession prize.

>He's a social chessmaster, manipulative and cunning
>She's a master mathematician
Who's smarter?

Dont get me wrong, mathematics is probably the best thing for you, but dont tell me it will develop interpersonal skills etc

Master mathematician, implies a PhD+, implies pioneer work.

We can already infer her IQ is 130-140. If she's really pushing the envelope in a field maybe even as high as 165.

'Social Chessmater' (really gay way to phrase it too, you fucking loser) is a meaningless statement. Intelligent people are good at social interactions, big boing theory is a comedy not real life.

>Implying IQ means anything
Ah, nevermind then.

Dedicated OC shitposting.

If you disregard the piles of research showing a consistent correlation between IQ and life outcomes, you're right.

Your IQ is one of the things that essentially dictates your projection in life, this is something that's been established for decades.

It's been suppressed because feel feel babies like you cry a fucking river up if anybody implies you aren't as smart as somebody else. But it's true, if someone has an IQ of 100 and someone 120 the person with the higher IQ is better off.

>infinite jest

HAHAHAHAHAAHHA

It's worth noting: the feel feel babies that cry are the reason why 'theories' (i.e. shit invented by people who don't even have science degrees; i.e. journalists) such as EQ and multiple intelligences exist.

Meditate.

A lot of people have said it but it really needs stressing. No single other thing has helped me strengthen my mind. It's not help studying and learning new things if you're still struggling with obsessive thoughts, stress, anxiety and overall fear and depression.
You need to get that foundation squared away, meditation does that very well.

I started out using the headspace app, which works really well in establishing regularity and teaching you how to actually meditate properly but you can learn from any number of free resources or even go out and attend classes.
It's important to do it properly though. A lot of people seem to start out with good intentions and then, after a week of never really getting into it properly, give up after not seeing any 'results'. It's akin to hitting the gym for a week, bashing out a few sets of bench press with god awful form and then giving up because you're not pressing 3 plate already.

For me, two or three weeks in and I started to really notice a difference, after more time it got more obvious and I knew it was 'working'.

I was fortunate enough to speak to someone on their thoughts on IQ. This person is leading the research in neurosciences. They have received a country award recognizing their success.

She agree with me that IQ basically means how quickly you can learn something. So a lower IQ person will learn slower than a higher IQ person.

That is all that it means. So if you're low or average IQ you will have to compensate more with your time to learn the same material as someone with higher IQ.

This compounded effect could mean someone going one and pursuing an academic life to someone giving up on formal education altogether.

So don't fret. Also she mentioned things about keeping the brain elastic and more malleable by exposing it to different stimuli.

E.g. I suck at giving speeches and scares the shit out of me. So I decide to go give on this weekend.

I take music lessons for a year straight learn the rudiments of a new skill.

etc.

It all helps.

IQ is a measurement of your ability to retain information and apply is in abstract ways.

Hence, half the equation for IQ is crystalline i.e. how much information can you store and half is fluidity or 'g factor' which is your ability to hold information on your 'attention stage' if you will & abstract/logical/deductive reasoning.

'Attention Stage' is essentially your ability to hold multiple ideas in your head simultaneously & clearly.

I'm sure you've had the moment where you're trying to find a solution to some complex problem, and the different components in your mind get muddled/blurred.

A more intelligent person is able to hold more information and hold it more coherently, that's why they're generally superior at abstract logical thought.

Thanks user for such an informative post.

I'm of average intelligence at best. I'm currently spending the year through a premed program that could potentially land me a placing in undergraduate medicine next year.

I'm unfortunately going to be entering as a mature age student. My age by the end of this year will be 28.

I have learn't a great deal thus far and love learning science as it inspires a sense of motivation and awe. I try to picture myself as unraveling the mysteries of the universe around me through learning.

However I have noticed that I have to stick to a regimented routine of constant revision in order for me to consolidate the information to long term memory. If I was younger I feel as thought I may have been able to cut back on the number and hours of revision. Things would stick better and be easier to recall.

Any specific advice that you can offer in helping me maintain optimal performance this year?

I would truly appreciate advice, keeping in mind my volition in pursuing a professional career has come later in life.

1st/2nd year medicine is referred to as drinking from a fire hydrant for a reason. You're simply going to be bombarded relentlessly with information.

It's like doing an entire semester in 1 week and having your final exam at the end of that 1 week. Over n over.

If you did well on the UMAT or MCAT or whatever country you're froms entry test then odds are you're relatively intelligent, probably 1 SD higher than average or more.

This is where having a high IQ is beneficial, as like you said, you'll be picking up intuition for concepts much faster.

Your best bet is to get on top and stay on top.

If you're not super smart then embrace that and stay on top of it or it'll slip out of your fingers real quick.

If they're smart they might be able to take a couple nights off a week, but not you, you're working harder for just the same results.

Embrace the suck.

What constitutes doing well on the UMAT?

Getting into a university's medical course is probably a strong indication.

Is this Australia? What uni?

>If you did well on the UMAT

UMAT is around the corner and I have to sit it in a few months.

>Your best bet is to get on top and stay on top.
Yeh you're absolutely right. As long as I can maintain a tempo I can usually stand my ground.

>If they're smart they might be able to take a couple nights off a week, but not you, you're working harder for just the same results.

Lucky to have any other commitments other than studying. Have saved up over the years with a small savings account.

I don't have family, girlfriend, friends or any time consuming hobbies other than bodybuilding. Even that only takes 4 hours per week over 4 days.

I've been training myself lately using the pomodoro technique.

So far it helps me push 10 hours of study per day relatively productive.

I keep the app running on my phone (30/30) where I study for 25minutes, it buzzes me for a 5 minute break. I usually get up off the chair will still be thinking about what I've been studying but will start doing a few body weight squats or deep stretching.

The phone buzzes again after 5 minutes I quickly sit down and keep on plowing through the material.

Only when 3-4 hours have passed I take a break of an hour (really want to cut it back to half an hour) and then back into my routine.

Sorry, I meant to say GAMSAT. Last one I sat I got in the 90th percentile after scaling, so I'm just wondering about perspectives.

GAMSAT anything north of 60 is likely going to get you an interview.

Obviously, your GPA & interview performance needs to scale with that or else you won't go past an interview

i.e. 'low gpa' of like 6.0 needs a strong GAMSAT of like 68 to get in to any first choice unis e.g. Sydney or UNSW.

Yeah my GPA is shit at 5.5 because I got cancer and my girlfriend got murdered. Gotta redo science. Sucks dick.

>GAMSAT anything north of 60 is likely going to get you an interview

Any tips for UMAT?

Should I do a prep course?

GPA for Grad Med is wGPA not raw GPA

Weigh your GPA, 5.5 will scale up to probably a ~6.0

Or, pick a uni that considers master degrees.

Weighted is 5.5 brah. It's cool.

I've heard UMAT is just a glorified IQ test, it uses a lot of abstract reasoning questions like Ravens Puzzles.

I honestly dunno, I think you could have some luck googling it. I'm sure there's a massive amount of information available for it.

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Several options depends on your age.

1. Redo a BA/BS.
2. Do a graduate entry BA/BS (2-year degrees, be careful as if you don't want them to consider your previous degree at all cos bad GPA that'll rule you out of ALOT of unis e.g. Syd).
3. Do a masters degree (quite a few unis will weigh your master degree pretty high and give you a higher gpa; note: a few don't consider masters at all).
4. PhD (lol) I know that's a tall order, but a PhD automatically gives you a 7.0 GPA on an application.

>I've heard UMAT is just a glorified IQ test, it uses a lot of abstract reasoning questions like Ravens Puzzles.
>I honestly dunno, I think you could have some luck googling it. I'm sure there's a massive amount of information available for it.

Yeh it is bro. I'm going to do a prep course as well just in case. Practicing speed reading and since I'm studying every single day hoping it will help grease my brain so to speak.

I should clarify, the reason why 2 year BAs called "graduate entry" or "accelerated" are ruled out of some unis is because they want 3 years full time equivalent (FTE). Now, if you have done a previous 3 year FTE they'll count 1 of the years and add in your 2 year FTE degree; 2+1 = 3 year fte.

But if you have bad grades (like you said you did) then you will need a 3-year degree for every uni other than like Monash and a couple others.

Syd also has rules on what counts as 3 year fte; e.g. you can't take only 2 units a year.

Except there's different perspectives and ways of looking at information that high IQ people have over lower IQ folks.

Its also not very much transferrable with some specific types. IE my friend absolutely rips upper level math and has a gift at seeing numbers in ways people cannot but doesn't happen to have the same strength in other fields.

Ok, let's break it down.

You could train somebody with an average IQ to be REALLY good at a specific field, e.g. Chemistry. You could spend years with them and they'll eventually (presupposing their IQ is already 110-115) almost be genius level at the end of it.

Part of the problem with lower IQ (as we've already established) is it takes longer to learn. That means you need to actively manage this information, and your brain is like a CPU, ok. It has a finite about of processing power at any given time.

Every 'process' i.e. piece of active information you need to manage = taxing to your CPU.

That's why people are super good at something can seemingly breeze through tasks quickly, multi-task, they're able to play abstract reasoning to what they're doing, etc. They're not ACTIVELY thinking about anything they're doing, it's background noise.

Anybody relatively intelligent can be trained to be at this level in time, however, the really smart person will achieve this level astoundingly faster. Their nerves are literally insulated more efficiently, they're just better. This is why they're able to push boundaries in abstract fields so well, they just intuitively grasp concepts easily, like a 'genius' would walk into a chemistry class and they'll be like "oh gas laws" and he'll intuitively be able to deduce what the formula would be .. because it's logical.

So that's the myth of "we can train people so IQ is irrelevant". It's also important because at a certain stage you're literally too dumb to be trained to any reasonable level.

So the idea high IQ people can be 'shit' at other areas is a myth, there are obvious trends that show: if you have a high IQ you're going to be good at almost every metric, or atleast better than the lower IQ individual.

This includes socialising or 'EQ' aka something that is made up.

There are geniuses that are e.g. shit at math, but they're going to be objectively better than you as an average IQ person.

As an addendum: the lower IQ but TRAINED person has 0 transferability to anything else, however, the higher IQ and UNTRAINED person has great transferability to every metric.

>It's also important because at a certain stage you're literally too dumb to be trained to any reasonable level.

Holy fuck Sir I'm 28 aspiring for Medicine next years. Studying with my balls to the wall.

Fpbp

Is 28 past the age?

My cousin started post graduate medicine at approximately a similar age as me. Have heard of much older individuals entering medical school at later stages of life.

I assumed they must have a higher IQ than me as I have always been able to retain information learn skills as long as I focused and sinked time into the activity.

I'm hoping medicine is an achievable endeavour. As I feel it has more to do with pushing yourself through insurmountable information without a high degree of abstract work such as a Physics PHD or someone pioneering Mathematics for NASA.

You know what they say, you're never too old to learn something new.

While what he's saying about IQ is correct in a broad sense, you shouldn't let nebulous scientific alarmism like "IQ" and "neuroplasticity" affect your decision to pursue your dream. What matters is putting the hard hours in.

so that's where SIR's comic got it's inspiration!

I've known PGY1s who were in their 50s, so no I don't think it's ever too late to attempt medicine assuming you're able to financially support yourself.

You may not realise this but you'll be earning less than e.g. a nurse for your first half decade as a junior medical officer. You'll also be working 12-14 hours a day.

You need to plan for that, seriously. Finances & Relationships wise.

It sounds to me like you don't have a previous degree? My advice for you would be to start up a degree in medsci and see how you do. How well you grasp concepts, how quickly do you pickup information, etc.

It'll be a good proof of concept for you becoming a medical doctor.

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>You need to plan for that, seriously. Finances & Relationships wise.

I'm 28, only child. Only family that I have are mum and dad both past their 60's.

Relationship wise I've adopted an MGTOW mentality. Nothing hard core but I'm willing to put off any romantic interests later in life, early to mid 30's, career and education taking precedence.

>My advice for you would be to start up a degree in medsci

There is something vital that I've left out. Is it at all I can private message you elsewhere apart from Veeky Forums. I won't take up too much of your time and would appreciate your thoughts on the issue I'm withholding.

My brother has an IQ of 133 when i have 121 and i can tell you that even if there is a difference in term of logical power it can be compensated by emotional intelligence (aka bullshit name for wisdom/maturity/character).

> I deal with conflict/people better
> My response to problem is more intuitive and quick when he try to understand thing in full even if he don't have enough data
> He thinks people behave logically

In short i think IQ is not a useful indicator for success for people in the range 110-130 (after it's like genius level so idk) and that character play a much bigger part

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below 140 and above 110 is midwit.

Well, I mean no disrespect but that's dumb.

110 - 130 is a full > SD higher.

You would only need to scratch the surface of the studies done on IQ to see that there is obvious correlation between e.g. job success and IQ.

e.g. A 110 - 115 is more inclined to be like a fucking nurse or something and 130 is more likely to be a medical doctor.

Certain jobs have a surprisingly big spread of IQ, using nurses again, they have a significant spread in IQ.

ICU/ED nurses are particularly intelligent, and they tend to rule out some doctors on the bottom of the spectrum.

But even then, medical doctors can have IQs as low as 110; i.e. not even 1 SD above average.

It's worth noting 115 IQ is 1 SD above normal and it's generally regarded as smart enough to 'do whatever you want in life'.

Don't get me wrong, you won't get winning Nobel prizes or pioneering a field like Physics, but you could do almost anything.