So was Galileo actually excommunicated and tried for heresy for his scientific findings...

So was Galileo actually excommunicated and tried for heresy for his scientific findings? Because that's what the official statement says is the reason. Or was it because he was a well-known shit stirrer, but that wasn't enough to be branded with heresy so they slapped that on him? Like Al Capone and tax evasion.

It was either about his scienfitic findings or the catholic church just banned any books promoting heliocentrism for shits and giggles

He technically committed heresy by shit-talking the Pope. Said pope, despite being Galileo's friend, decided enough was enough and his buddy needed his shit slapped.

This, Galileo wasn't the first guy to defend heliocentrism, the church wasn't banning books on this, he got into trouble for being cute about it.

The Church was Galileo's patron. They paid to publish his work, including his work about his telescope observations supporting Copernicus' theory of heliocentrism. Then Galileo published a dialogue in which he had a character whose name meant "the fool." The character represented the arguments of the people who disagreed with heliocentrism. Galileo considered heliocentrism to be factually proven by his observations. The problem was that "the fool" quoted the sitting Pope at length verbatim. The Pope took personal offence at this insult. And so Galileo was investigated for heresy. At his trial, it was found (rightfully) that Galileo hadn't proven heliocentrism scientifically. His conclusions were debatable and could be interpreted in conformity to the-best models. Galileo didn't have the evidence to state that heliocentrism was fact. He had overstated his position. By asserting his unproven theory as fact despite lacking the evidence to do so, and discounting alternate theories, and insulting the Pope in doing so by calling him a fool, the Church found Galileo to be in a state of heresy, and sentenced him to house arrest. They didn't declare heliocentrism itself heresy. They simply banned that one work by Galileo because of the insult against the Pope and because of his doctrinaire attitude against alternate models, not because of the heliocentricsm itself. Heliocentrism wouldn't be proven to be a much more accurate model until the work of William Herschel and Friedrich Bessie years later, so the Church at the time had acted conservatively. Later humanists simply seized on Galileo's trial to paint the Church in a bad light, and ignored all the nuance of the situation. People looking to push the Conflict Thesis have carried on with this narrative to the present day.

Not to mention, all he got was House Arrest. Fedorafags love to act like Galileo was tortured and thrown in a prison.

Galileo's imprisonment by the Inquisition wasn't just a blow to science, It was the death of Italian art

>They didn't declare heliocentrism itself heresy.
Galileo was ordered to stand trial for heresy in 1633. The judgment found that his view of the solar system was "absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical, because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures".

Explain

Censorship by the inquisition ment artists could only paint in an approved style.

The counter-reformation killed the creativity of Italian Renaissance art.

They threatened to burn him alive retard

While the church's wording is rather harsh, it's worth mentioning that there were many other scientists at the time who did work similar to Galileos and they were toying with the idea of heliocentrism and the church did not touch them at all.
Galileo was being a cunt about the whole thing, especially since he was a friend of the pope in question, and even if he got put on trial, the pope made sure he only got housearrest.
Galileo was actually a pretty massive asshole, but 18th century thinkers loved to paint him as a massive martyr languishing under the church's scientific oppression when it was instead more of a political question due to the counter-reformation being in fullswing and the church couldnt be as openly liberal in supporting science which was openly questioning church doctrine which it had been doing for like 500 years before the reformation

>Galileo was being a cunt
>Galileo was actually a pretty massive asshole
And Gilles de Rais raped and murdered hundreds of pesant children and the church dindu nuffin because he went to mass everyday.

I think we can see who is morally wrong here

What's your point? Not like the church was some sort of perfect institution with impeccable moral judgement.
Also thank you for bringing this guy up, I had no idea who he was but he seemed to have been a fucking complete psycho, it's a fun read.

>Not like the church was some sort of perfect institution with impeccable moral judgement.
Thats why it shouldnt be judging and imprisoning people for saying mean stuff about the pope

Yea well it did, no point in bitching about it now.
It was a political matter at that point, the pope was asking Galileo for a favor and his response was massive being asshole and painting the pope as an idiot in the book, which brought the whole heresy thing down on top of him, and even with all the harsh language from the church and threats of burning, the pope still looked out for Galileo and gave him a nice house arrest instead of a shitty cell or a hot date with a stake.

>It was a political matter at that point,
I wish more poeple were honest about this, I get sick of the cathboos claiming Galileo had to recant because he was a dick, or because his math was wrong. He was a victim of the counter-reformation.

Well it was both really, if he hadnt been a dick and included the notice like the pope asked him nicely to do, he wouldve been fine.
It's not like Galileo wasnt aware of the political climate of the time, he wasnt a retard, he was just full of himself and kind of an asshole.
His math was technically wrong too, but I'm pretty sure that wasnt the problem at the time either, since most people's math was off point somewhere.

>Talking to Galileo and other Italian authors, Milton was proud to find they looked to England as a land of freedom, and was disturbed by their bleak analysis of "the servile condition into which learning among them was brought; that this was it which had damped the glory of Italian wits".

Yupp, the counter-reformation was really a gut punch for science for quite some time, it's really sad that the church had to double down on it just because some monk had pointed out that they all enjoyed whores and indulgences a bit too much.

>The Pope took personal offence at this insult. And so Galileo was investigated for heresy.
what
the inquisition only became involved much later in this affair, after he tried using the bible and theological arguments to prove his theory lmao

>knight doesn’t get touched

The murders weren't tied to him until there was an ecclesiatical investigation, tard. He was rumoured to be an occultist but that wasn't grounds for him to be investigated, because stuff like alchemy wasn't on par with witchcraft.

He might've gotten away with it if he hadn't kidnaped a priest. When they started looking into him, they noticed a bunch of complains that begging children tended to disappear around his castle.

Yeah dude, turns out he was just some SJW faggot troublemaker and the church was right all along.

Is that what you wanted to hear?