Is gay a choice?

ITT people who've never studied evolutionary biology at a level above google searching

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>I used to hate gays while being an edgy teenager but now they just fascinate me beyond compare.
That sounds pretty gay tbqh with you senpai.

Homosexuality is a choice. Bisexuals are just people who accepted that.

Supposedly it may be not be a gene so much as an epi marker that activates/deactivates genes.

Read that a woman's hormonal balance and immune system may influence fetal development during pregnancy. That shifts after every birth which is a possible explanation why each successive son has an increasing probability of turning out gay. I'm my mothers first, but she had some immunal complications so might be why I'm gay.

Personally all I can say is I've never felt any arousal over women. Not the slightest dick twitch. Choice never came into it.

You sure think a lot about gay men

It's not gay unless your balls touch

>What straight man would choose to be gay?
the same reason people choose to fuck strangers that may or may not have stds

because it feels good or something

What you got something against the gays you bigot?

Really though, I just want to know how fags function, what drives them to liking dick and how do they justify their existence without reproducing.

>What straight man would choose to be gay?
Lack of other options. Look at prisons, militaries and Islamic countries.

>how do they justify their existence without reproducing.
That's rather reductionist of you.

Lol this thread :P

Cannibalism exists in other species, should we start eating each other too faggot?

In some species not only are they cannibals they eat their own babies

but being gay has does nothing to harm another person directly and is only a symptom of a dying culture that doesn't care about responsibility and breeds but kills the baby before it comes to term

can't do anything to fix culture because half the people are too busy aborting babies and getting divorced to care about it.

This is top tier retardation. People can't get away with retardation this powerful in conversation with another person. It can only form in the vacuum of their inner monologue. Any average intelligence person would stop and ask questions of them each time they made one of their wildly fallacious or illogical assertions, and, because there wouldn't be enough time, they'd never make it past the first post of this idiot's sprawling and ridiculous dissertation.

This guy's appallingly stupid and blatantly homophobic, and no amount of command over English and arranging ideas to make them seem advancedly logical (despite actually being both illogical, reliant on erroneous assumptions, and even unfulfilling his own goal) is going to fix that.

I'll methodically break down the whole thing if anybody wants me to. I kinda want to but don't have time right now.

I want you to.

>No, but homosexuality exists in other species.

Exactly. We're not fucking animals. We can choose to not engage in disgusting and retarded behaviour.

Violence is a result of human nature to always want. This was developed from our ancestors always starving so our evolution led us to horde things. Gay could even be said to this extent to. As they say "a hole is a hole" its just the human body fulfilling what it thinks is reproduction on a mass scale.

>always gathering

>always moving forward

>forever horny

>homosex is good because the Greeks and Romans did it

>slavery, gladiator battles to the death and crucifixion are not good tho

the gayness in animals is only used as a counter for the "it's not natural" argument
liberal morality is based on the simple idea that if it doesn't hurt others, it should be allowed. that's about it.
so we are ok with gays because they mind their own business, but we are not ok with killing people.

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15 heavy ass swings
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But wars allow for economic growth at the cost of some assholes not trading.

That is totally kohlbergian passive society and as we know now, is total shit.

hello faggot

being gay is a choice

you act as if the economy doesn't grow unless somebody dies. If your only way to prosper is through other people suffering, you're practically isis.

>Be inna desert
>My kids are starving
>wifey needs new sandals for swollen ankles
>another kid on the way
>try trading with dude that has crops around a river
>try trading sickles i made with rocks i smelted in my time near mountain
>maybe some goat skins and meat
>I fucking hate goat
>eating it forever
>dude says no, he has enough labor, bitches, and sickles to make him sick.

Hmmmmmm wonder what I'll do. It's literally Jericho a million times over.

That's literally where it started and where we are today.

I'm going to go on a limb here and posit that you think in a communist way but remember, socialist states did actuate but never decayed into a truly communist utopia. Shadowy figures used Marxism to get rich with promises.

>Also what are false comparisons

Didn't say it was the only way but it is the most salient form of economic progression

Note that gay uncle is more fitting to inceldom. You are the special boy that enables your mother and sisters to whore and pass on genes on your behalf.

I've had sex with over 30 women but I've also had half a dozen dicks in my mouth. It's definitely a choice.

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but you don't live in a desert my man
you are in front of a computer arguing for sport.
>speaking of false comaprisons
sure I get why you'd kill someone if your kids are starving, but demolishing other people's lives just to make yours slightly better you are literally immoral
not even gonna comment on the communist part

Animals are retarded and fuck what e we will let them fuck. Wether it be a master's leg or a female dog. HOWEVER exclusive homosexuality is NOT in the animal kingdom. Only humans do that. So fuck you OP you retarded bitch.

So in your genius analogy only two people exist and one guy for some reason refuses to make anything other than sickles at his forge. Yes, clearly the only option here is for sickle guy to kill the other guy.

this is the definition of a false equivalence
>oh you think youre right huh? well what about this highly specific unrealistic hypothetical scenario i created in my head right now for the sole purpose of going against everything you just said? checkmate, looks like i win again!

>if it doesnt hurt others, it should be allowed
wew lad, those are some pretty arbitrary parameters

>>if it doesnt hurt others, it should be allowed
the only debt you owe to society now a days is taxes and those are for the good of everyone

if anyone tells you that treating sex casually and increasing out of wedlock birthrates which contributes to crime you just tell them they're a racist

I actually never met a gay guy how hasn't fucked at least one chick.
they just don't like it as much.

> pretty arbitrary parameters
sorry I didn't feel like writing a thesis on a glass sculpture forum.
I actually agree with this. Creating humans you can't take care of is absolute shit behavior.

>you just tell them they're a racist
thats some top tier debate skills right there, im sure if you insult the person and ignore their argument and in turn ignore the problem everything is sure to turn out ok

*glass sculpture appreciating forum
shit

my point is that its hard to define when something is or isnt hurting/affecting somebody else and when it should be considered unlawful/immoral is hard to pinpoint, so just flat out saying it doesnt affect you isnt good enough

Problem is in reality gay uncle doesn't help raise children. In fact, his only interest is in molesting them.

it absolutely is and trying to provide free contraceptives instead of raising children to not fuck people they don't want kids with raises out of wedlock births is inefficient.
if there's anything you can hate about the gays it's that they're incredibly promiscuous and spread the idea that sex is just for fun.

are you somehow implying that it's not racist to deny those poor single black women contraceptives and free birth control so they can have sex willy-nilly with no thoughts of responsibility isn't racist?

It's 2017 shitbag the sexual liberation happened get over it, we're not all a part of your male power fantasy anymore and we don't have to come begging to you for support

that's a valid point, yet it seems that there is enough to discuss in the places where the line is clear (homosexuality, civil rights, etc) instead of obsessing about the places where it's blurry (is it truly liberal to allow freedom of religion? should we make out-of-wedlock-sex illegal?)

>spread the idea that sex is just for fun.
nigga, the absolute most of the times, it is

oh absolutely I agree, Detroit is such a cozy and safe place with all those fatherless children running around fixing up the neighborhoods and whatnot.

yeah they fucked ie past tense mongoloid. meaning they DONT fuck chicks anymore or prefer not to. animals PREFER to fuck female animals but will also hump anythiing they lets it if a female animal isnt there cause its a dumb animal. exmaple your leg, a rock, a beta male dog. doesnt mean the dog is EXCLUSIVELY homosexual or prefers men. thats just us humans.

man if you're gonna be retarded on purpose I ain't wasting my time with you

>retarded on purpose.
explain what you mean by this?

forgive me if I'm not taking your word on all of this exquisite zoological data.

forcing me to explain to you that people can have sex without making babies, and it sure as hell is easier to convince them to use a condom than not have sex at all.

pic related, nobody can be this retarded

i agree, and i very strongly feel that religion shouldnt cross over into lawmaking, i dont want a fucking theocracy. however i feel like the line has already been crossed in many ways, to the point where it is indeed affecting other people (gay pride parades, christian bakery stories, etc)

>homosexuality, civil rights, etc
>civil rights
this may be tangential, but one of my pet peeves is when people refer to this shit as rights
>I have the right to get married
>i have the right to fuck
>i have the right to to x y and z
and people manufacture these "rights" for themselves on a daily basis and claim that youre oppressing them if you get in their way. the actual thing is its not a RIGHT its a FREEDOM to do x y and z, and you're freedoms end where other peoples rights begin. thats a whole different discussion though

>forcing me to explain to you that people can have sex without making babies
which is why Detroit has no fatherless children running around fixing the neighborhoods?

>pic related, nobody can be this retarded
that's not an argument

if you seriously think animals are exclusively homosexual you're a god damned retard or a lying faggot and you know it. fuck off.

animals fuck whatever they can find. they still prefer the opposite sex. only retarded mentally ill fags like you notice a little bisexuality, and pansexuality in a dumb dog and think that means its a green light as humans to be a butt fucking queer that only loves dicks.
K Y S

If your balls don't touch you're not going deep enough

rights are arbitrary, we made them up.
all of morality is made up. we can't have a discussion without acknowledging that.

I'm out.

what the hell is this gumbo of a gun?

Manly gays are masterrace desu. They dont have to put up with the sexual revolution and women's constant bullshit. Sometimes i wish i was gay, but i a completely repulsed by the thought of having anything up my butt

You dont have to go very far. I'm straight and i dont reproduce either :)

I wouldn't call it a disorder in the classical sense since homosexuality doesn't hurt the affected or their peers like gender dysphoria or pedophilia do. (Not trying to put any of the three in the same line)

>rights are arbitrary, we made them up.
i dont know why nihilists even bother trying to have these discussions
i dont know what the fuck youre on about talking about male power fantasies or racism, nobody every brought race into this until you started talking about detroit

please clean up your arguments

Church Militant did a thing on this, basically most gays had a relationship with their dads that was either non-existent or their fathers were emotionally distant

churchmilitant.com/video/episode/not-born-that-way

>gays are just pussies with daddy issues
the absent father strikes again

>about male power fantasies or racism
yeah that half was b8

the promiscuity part was not though gays are promiscuous and spread the idea that sex is just for fun which leads to an increase in out of wedlock births and a boost in crime.

all the shit about detroit was taking real world examples to extremes in an attempt at emphasizing the point that nuclear family is beneficial for society and straying from that is damaging to society

>gets baited
>calls it bait
>told its not an argument
>asks to clarify argument
>yeah that was b8
fuck the meta im done with this thread

>half

but why do you care?

also jump rope HIIT is GOAT.

first half wasnt replying to me, i agree with that half

fuck not having IDs

>hates gays and wants to fund scientific research to "cure" them because you think homosexuality is wrong
>get surprised and upset when you get called a homophobe

Why do straight guys even care about homo men? Homosexual men = more females for straight men.

this post right here is why people hate the left. youre projecting what you want to hear onto anons post without looking at what hes saying

Let's hear it, you flaming homosexual.

>hates gays

>church militant
> run by a literal homosexual with hair plugs

E. Michael Jones is where it's at if you want thoughtful Jew baiting and homo hating.

>gays are promiscuous
And heteros aren't, casual and non-coital sex also are gay inventions.
I know it for a fact because all fags I interviewed at the Folsom Street Fair are sluts.

>And heteros aren't
plenty cis folks are but the rates at which gays get freaky is much higher.

>cis
look at me using a term I don't know incorrectly

plenty of straight* folks are promiscuous but...

>So it's okay for us to kill and fight?
absolutely. humanity wouldn't be humanity without endless war

I think being gay is a fucking glitch in my head. Bugged dating mechanics making me want to bone dudes instead of women. It's natural for me to want dudes, I find them attractive. i
It is not natural for a dude to want a dude because that's not what nature intended. But who gives a shit what nature wants at this point? I just want to live my life and bang dudes instead of women and not get hung for it.

>But who gives a shit what nature wants at this point?
literally nobody but you're probably a slut and I don't want you around my kids or bitching about how I won't sell you a wedding cake.

>probably a slut
Nope

>don't want you around my kids
*I* won't fuck with your kids. Just because some gays are fucked up and nasty motjerfuckers doesnt mean all of them are.

>bitch at me for not selling you a cake
I'll buy my cake somewhere else then. Not that big a deal. I'm just not sure why you missed out on a sale just because you dont agree with my relationship. Just make the cake and take the money.

>you're probably a slut
What kind of prude shit is this? Why do you care about the sex life of gay men?

>>probably a slut
>Nope
then you're an absolutely fine person.

>>don't want you around my kids
>*I* won't fuck with your kids.
I'd have to know you to trust you with that and even then most molestations happen with close friends of the family so I'd be warry.

>>bitch at me for not selling you a cake
>I'll buy my cake somewhere else then

you're an absolutely acceptable person

I don't want people teaching my kids that sex is a recreational activity that requires no responsibility
drink bleach you hippy kike

Teach your kids what you want, and stop trying to control grown men. Gay guys don't give a fuck about your hypothetical children.

This is what I want, honestly. I just don't want to be judged as an individual because I am part of a group that some find questionable. To be fair, everyone does this. People hate all white people because some white people did bad stuff. People hate all black people because some of them did bad stuff. Everyone has their prejudices and stereotypes against everyone. I just want to be judged fairly. If someone hates me, I want them to hate ME because of what I do, not because I'm part of a group.

>much higher
In what proportion? I'll need a source.
Sexual misery is probably higher too, why don't you give them credit for that?
And not that study which subjects were fags frequenting sexclubs.

>kids are only capable of learning from their parents and never rebel in any way what so ever based on things their peers do
you're ignoring a whole bunch of reality

Kids will have a mind of their own, but it's up to the parents to teach them how to be a decent human. If you try and shelter them from the entire world there will be a negative reaction. Good parents teach their kids reason, so they have the knowledge to make smart choices. Kids rebel because they have shit parents.

>Kids rebel because they have shit parents.
kids rebel because they're chock full of hormones telling them to act like niggers

>>Is there a gay gene?
>No, but homosexuality exists in other species.
that doesnt mean theres no gay gene, tard.

Because their shit parents didn't teach them how to deal with certain life situations, and they have zero home training.

yes being gay is fucking choice brah

Sick projection bro

why don't you try refuting a single point he made instead of the empty rhetoric