What would the world be like if Mexico had won the Mexican-American war?

What would the world be like if Mexico had won the Mexican-American war?

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Not much different if you think one loss will deter America from its "Manifest Destiny"

Exactly the same

You're both underestimating how a victory over the Americans would have radically changed the trajectory of Mexican history. And Manifest Destiny was partially fueled by Californian gold, with an accidental discovery of gold and silver discovered in the trek to the west coast. If that gold and silver had been claimed by Mexico instead, you're looking at a hugely different world map.

Mexico was too busy having civil wars over stupid shit to ever project power, and no beating America would not save it from that fate

Even if it wouldn't have been able to project power, Mexico was planning to sell California to Great Britain and was moving towards closing the deal right on the eve of war. If it keeps it in a Mexican victory, the west coast becomes British soil.

The better question would be: Was there even a snowball's chance in hell for Mexico to win that war? The answer being: Of fucking course not.
You are more likely to see Napoleon succeed with his Russian campaign, or for the Kaiserreich to pull off the Schlieffenplan, than you are to see that clusterfuck of a Mexican army headed by the absolute retard St Anna win a tug o' war, much less an actual war.

>the west coast becomes British soil
So would this timeline have resulted in a huge Canadian Empire on the American continent?

>Mexico was planning to sell California to Great Britain
rich Californian land owners were planning that, not the actual government.

not very different tb.h, probably be a lot more Indians though, and the southwest would be like a north american Siberia

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hmmm what books are you reading brah? Sounds like your making stuff up

Texas would be an independent state, since they were already able to hold off the Mexican army before the US went to war.
Other than that, I think the only major difference would be the states that Mexico held onto would be shitholes instead of decent places.
>If that gold and silver had been claimed by Mexico instead, you're looking at a hugely different world map.
Isn't Mexico, even today, chock full of silver, with some gold as well? Explain to me how additional gold and silver would change things dramatically.

It is not the fact that mexico has more gold but that the US geys some gold.

>the west coast becomes British soil.
>tfw californian
>tfw no dominion of california

Northern Mexico was already flush with American immigrants, if the US hadn't conquered those areas those people would've continued to be poor white trash and outbred the native Mexicans, eventually becoming a majority there and moving south in droves for the economic opportunity, creating a majority-mutt Mexico.

Genuinely makes me sad

You never know user. An asteroid could have nailed the East Coast and wiped out American civilization. Then the Mexicans would have to fight only the crazy rednecks and hillbillies who survived out west. Almost a fair fight at that point!

The only way that could have happened is if there was alien interference.
So it would be a bit like that scene from Men in black.
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Dirty angloshits would be bringing their gin and their crime and their 20 kids to California and Colorado

>Texas would be an independent state
Why this didn't happen either way I will never understand

The texan plan was always to join america
Suprisingly enough, the federal goverment had little to nothing to do with this
This was all the machinations of cletus

alot

The same!

they wanted the US government to subsidize their conflicts with the natives, in fact if you read their declaration of secession when they joined the CSA, one of the main things they complain about is that the US government isn't genociding them fast enough

the sequence of events that would have to take place for America to lose that war are so fucking absurd that it's basically on the same tier as "what if the wehrmacht grew wings and flew over the trenches in WW1?"

Interestingly enough, many Europeans initially thought that the Americans might lose the war. Mexico's military was considered outdated but much more seasoned than the Americans, who had yet to really prove themselves as a competent military power.

Realistically though, there was almost no chance of the Mexicans coming out of the war in a favorable position. The best case scenario, whether through war or diplomacy, would be that Mexico would keep its territory west of Texas and south the 37th parallel. That's the boundary that the Americans had originally sought prior to the war.

This isn't true. The underlying cause for the Mexican-American War was the failure of Mexico to settle its territorial disputes with the United States. Mexico's government was a revolving door, meaning that there was very little consistency in their policies on the matter. Some Mexicans advocated selling parts of the Southwest to the United States, while others argued that it would be a disgrace to the nation. That inconsistency frustrated the Americans to the point of war. The Mexicans never truly manged to bargain with the United States over California, and they certainly never approached the British with any real offer to sell it. Some British advocated seizing California before the Americans did, but they also understood that it would basically escalate the existing Oregon dispute to full scale war, something the British government had no interest in doing.

Northern Mexico was sparsely populated desert, nearly ungoverned and any settlers were coming from the US. Mexico could control and defend the greener South, marginally, but had little ability to project power North. Meanwhile, the USA wanted a strategic buffer around the Mississippi Delta, not a lawless wasteland. The geostrategic tectonics called for a US takeover, and this would happen in any event, even if Santa Ana had mustered sufficient forces to get North, which he didn't. The US had to seek out a representative of government to negotiate with, in the end.

>creating a majority-mutt Mexico.
i'ts been like that since 1521