/fasting/ general - autofaggy edition

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>What are the benefits of fasting?

Autophagy. Based on new understandings of the physiological functions of autophagy we now know that both basal levels of autophagy and stress-induced increases in autophagy are likely important in promoting mammalian health Definition: basically, you stop eating and your body says "hey bro where's the food at?". At this point your body says "well I can either starve, or eat something I don't really need that I already have!". The body then looks at the following: old cells, dead cells, fat tissue cells, etc, and says "well I could eat this".

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2696814/

Note that this process does happen when you're eating, but fasting GREATLY speeds it up.

>Common myths

You will not lose all your gains. In the history of fasting

>Can I exercise while fasting?

You can, but not strenuously. Muscle ketone oxidation decreases after 1 week of fasting, along with decreased overall energy expenditure(page 144-152 of Burstztein S, et al. ‘Energy Metabolism, Indirect Calorimetry, and Nutrition.’ Williams & Wilkins 1989). If you exercise hard and push for PRs on a 7 day fast you'll essentially accelerate muscle wasting.

>Won't I get water poisoning?

A healthy male would have to binge on close to 3 gallons of water within a few hours to get fucked by water poisoning. If your urine turns brown go to the ER.


>How long is an optimal fast?

Depends on your willpower and bodyfat. Since you likely eat every day, you likely have quite a bit of fat reserves to burn. During fasts, soft fatty adipose tissue lipolysis is known to reach a MAXIMUM within the first week of a prolonged fast as does hepatic ketone production.

>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5024045 ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2656155

Other urls found in this thread:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22414/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26399868
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2696814/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

reported and saged

Here's what happened on my 4 day fast

-Allergies cleared up (Ill update if they come back)
-Went to sleep at 11, woke up at 6 am energized AF ready for the day
-Lost 10 lbs of weight (Half is prolly water weight, but I expect not much since I supplemented my fast with lite salt) -> went from 198 to 188
-Broke the fast with veggies, they were godlike.
-Stopped craving carbs on day 3

>Pic related before and after

I'm pushing my gut out and not flexing in both pics.

post a front pic you faggot and time stamp it. You could have taken these from anywhere and just edited he faces out so we cant image search it.

all you guys do is take side pics, a side pic is the easiest to manipulate thats why all those tv aids promoting weight loss do it etc and why that fat fuck in the video does it because he looks like a dyel from the front lmao.

nice ass, user

My sister told me that fasting will cause damage to my organs and brain, can someone link a study or something that show that it doesn't

>BUT FASTING WILL CANNABILIZE MUH BICEPS AND ILL DIE

No, it won't. The biggest protein loss comes from (safe) secretions from your intestinal lining and pancreas, which tapers off as you continue to fast.

After a short burst of protein secreted from those organs (around 75 g of protein) -- your body will use about 20 grams of protein, that's about 20 days to waste an entire pound of muscle. Now compare this to the fact that you can lose up to 114 to 159 grams of fat a day and you got yourself a good ratio.

>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22414/ ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26399868

PS, the 114 to 159 grams figure is likely wrong, and it's more. if you're a smaller person you'll burn more towards those numbers.

Its because it will. Go ask anyone who is a sports sciene/nutrition professer at your local community college or find some one who is. Dont listen to anyone who says it wokt because they will just link you some study with sick people/shit sample size to sway your opinion. there have been NO studied done with bodybuilders regarding mass kept if you fast for long peroids of time. You will lose muscle mass,water,and fat but its not heathy to do that because after the fast you either binge or eat so little your hurting your gains brah. you need to learn to eat a healthy diet, not fast to solve your body issues.
also
op just shills his thread everyday to piss me off and argues with himself in the thread.

I don't understand, I also read the study

Your sister's organs and brain are already damaged.

so can I lift normally to keep my power levels (not pushing for PRs) and how often? what about cardio?

I don't want to lose muh mussels

So you're telling me getting an ibfection and not being able to eat for 12 days now and only be able to consume 1,5lof fluids a day is a good thing for my body? Because I look like a fucking sickly skeleton now.

Well let's say autophagy really is a good thing. After how many days do you think the bad effects start to outweigh the bad effects? Assuming we're talking about a decently lean healthy average human.

Homeostasis describes the tendency for your body to maintain a steady state. Generally, it likes things just the way they are. Your body does not want to gain or lose weight and there are certain biological mechanisms for maintaining this dynamic steady state. At any given point, your body will be in either of two states: an anabolic state or a catabolic state.

1 gram of fat is about 9 calories, divide that with your weight maintenance calorie count and you have an approximation. Example for me is 2300/9=250grams

That picture is buzzfeed click bait tier.
It's physically impossible to change like that in 28 days

>Third thread filled with bro scientists who can't provide a single study backing up the 'dangers' of fasting

Fuck off if you're not a faster or even interested. My evidence is more valuable than your low IQ opinion.
You would have to eat through your fat reserves to experience any organ damage. The longest sustained fast was over a year (obviously he was obese) -- but guess what, he was healthier after and didn't suffer any serious damage. Your sister is just as uninformed as the spergs who are indoctrinated with the whole MUH MASS and MUH 3 MEALS A DAY OR ILL LOSE ALL MY GAINS bs

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/

op you sure do like making threads and talking to yourself lmao

I did a 40 day water fast with my family and our twins died before they even turned 90 days old. Fuck you Veeky Forums.

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As you wish

Age

nice time stamp retard

On day 2. Holy fucking shit I am bored, I never realized how much of my day revolves around food.

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>My sister told me that fasting will cause damage to my organs and brain, can someone link a study or something that show that it doesn't

Organs won't start taking damage until you're out of body fat. Though low levels of electrolytes are dangerous for other reasons, like a heart arrhythmia that could kill you. Or being horribly dehydrated so you wreck your kidneys. Or having low calcium so its leeched from your bones.

The brain is not optimally fed on ketones, so function might be impaired, but I don't know about damage.

That guy is a clickbait youtuber. He documented the process and he was fat as fuck in his previous videos and the time frame matches up.

Guy loses weight by not eating. Who thought that was fucking possible. All those POWs and starving people in 3rd world countries are bullshitters. As soon as they ate a leaf they would yoyo and explode into fatties because of their low metabolism.

You're upset because he did it before you and marketed it better than you would have.

Do you now how much he lost and how tall he is? I'm trying to estimate how long it's going to take me based on my own loss on a fast so far and the numbers seem off. Unless he was exercising a ton, i guess. Seems nearly impossible though, I can barely climb to the 6th floor after a week.

So this is the new cancer general?

What kinda allergies did you have?

Well the problem is he gave us his final weight after the fast and not a few weeks after when all his water weight is restored, plus the usual weight of food in your digestive track.

Don't do this, you'll just yo-yo back to your fat selves. Slow and steady is the key, a 500 kcal deficit every day will minimize stretch marks and almost completely eliminate the possibility of a yo-yo effect (if you're keeping your diet in check)

Why would it minimize stretch marks? I thought they're just scars left from tearing your skin after it has to spread too thin over your massive blob of a person. Do you somehow get them while shrinking too fast as well?

Genuinely curious

Literally at the top of this thread

>Autophagy. Based on new understandings of the physiological functions of autophagy we now know that both basal levels of autophagy and stress-induced increases in autophagy are likely important in promoting mammalian health Definition: basically, you stop eating and your body says "hey bro where's the food at?". At this point your body says "well I can either starve, or eat something I don't really need that I already have!". The body then looks at the following: old cells, dead cells, fat tissue cells, etc, and says "well I could eat this".
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2696814/
Autophagy. Based on new understandings of the physiological functions of autophagy we now know that both basal levels of autophagy and stress-induced increases in autophagy are likely important in promoting mammalian health Definition: basically, you stop eating and your body says "hey bro where's the food at?". At this point your body says "well I can either starve, or eat something I don't really need that I already have!". The body then looks at the following: old cells, dead cells, fat tissue cells, etc, and says "well I could eat this".

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2696814/

Autophagy eats away at scar tissue, but you have to fast for like 2 weeks

Pretty sure that's opposite to what user said

Just wondering why losing weight fast would cause stretch marks in the first place, not how to get rid of them. I was blessed with no stretch marks despite being obese as fuck.

dont crop the picture faggot i cant re-image search it when you do that this thead js fuckin bait

see

Well, look at this guy talking to himself And tell me there's no brain damage

Would this even be an issue at anything

>fast would cause stretch marks in the first place
it won't. the other guy is a dumbass.
It might cause lose skin though. But you can argue that losign weight fast will do it at the same rate. I don't really know

I'm doing a 5/2 fast and don't eat on Monday and Wednesday. Down 18 lbs. to 212. Approx 15% bf. I eat like shit and drink a lot on non fasting days and its still working. About 6-8 weeks in.

I've been losing a lot of hair along with the fat.

Any way to stop it?

No

If you are healthy and normally nurished you can go 3-4 weeks without food.

A week is nothing for a fast. Though if you don't drink enough water you'll be dehydrated easily.

I'm personally doing 7 days fasts with 3-4 day breaks of eating light. Exactly because I'm not good at guzzling water. If I supplemented sodium though I could go longer. But I'm not in a hurry.

That's what I intuited, but I see so many people in these threads and on other forums being overzealous with the iodine/sodium in particular, and often magnesium also, i.e. supplementing whenever they reach ~day 3.

But then again, due to the demonization of salt and dairy, many are of course chronically deficient in iodine.

Yep

How did eating every day even become a thing? I mean if you eat Monday morning and don't eat again until Saturday, you're just spreading your meals out like if you ate 3 meals a day, only eating more when you do eat.

Finished a 2 day fast today, going to go for a two day then three day a week pattern. I'll probably see a specialist or something about it if I want to go longer.

Would you survive? Yes.

Is it a good idea or healthy? No.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation

> few days of not eating

> 'starvation'.

bro literally trust me ok if u dont eat every 45 minutes ull literally starve n katoobeleze all your moosels.

trust me, the market team at kellogs really convinced me this is true.

How about you read your own link dumbfuck

>Starvation ensues when the fat reserves are completely exhausted and protein is the only fuel source available to the body.

Can't the average body go about three weeks without food in a survival situation?

If I'm going for a 14-day fast, should I supplement with lite salt and potassium? Or just go straight tap water?

>how did eating every day even become a thing?
There are multiple industries, some of the hugest ones, that revolve around the sale of food.
>$$$$$$$

You definitely need salt. I'd go with Himalayan Rock Salt. You don't need potassium, but if you're worried you can use Morton lite salt, which has potassium. You need magnesium like Natural Calm Magnesium Powder, which is easy on the stomach.

>If I'm going for a 14-day fast, should I supplement with lite salt and potassium? Or just go straight tap water?

There's literally no downside to supplementing electrolytes like magnesium, potassium, phosphorus, calcium, and sodium

Sodium makes even short term fasts a lot easier because you don't get dehydrated. Magnesium and potassium are a good idea in long term fasts so you don't get cramps and arythmia.

The OP (or a post directly after it) should include something about recommended supplements, or reasons for supplementing something teebeeeech.

There's a lot of talk in this thread about lite salt, potassium, magnesium and a multivitamin, but I've seen recommendations for iodine, fiber, fish oil, amino acids, etc.

Thanks, dudes. I will supplement my drinks with the lowest-calorie sodium, potassium, and magnesium I can find. I live in burgerland, and if you guys do too, what places would you recommend to find the vitamins (besides obv shipping shit like Amazon)? I was just thinking the local Walmart or Meijer (midwest fag checking in).

GNC

How bad is the loss of energy/side effects? Kinda wanna do a week long fast but I have work and study and shit

What does 5/2 mean? Fast 5 days in a row then eat 2 days?

Didn't even think of that, thanks senpai.

From what I've watched and read, around days 3-5 you get really fucked up in terms of memory, but your senses in-the-moment are intense as fuck. Hard to describe, like a heightened situational awareness is what they said.

not ideal since I'm studying a language course and work as a teacher

I honestly hope someone dies from this.

So basically i need pic related?

Jesus Christ, so many fucking pussies and salty fags ITT, such as I used to do IF daily and I would regularly (every week or two) do 2 or 3 day water fasts to let my digestive system rest from my big meals with no ill effects, and I was very lean and fit. Now that I mention it, my digestion has been shit so maybe I'm due for a new round of fasting.

How do you homos think humans survived as a species if they immediately started cannibalizing their own muscle during famine, with no energy to hunt or gather new sources of food? Have you fallen for the agricultural jew this hard?

>Starvation is a severe deficiency in caloric energy intake needed to maintain an organism's life. It is the most extreme form of malnutrition. In humans, prolonged starvation can cause permanent organ damage

Literally the first line.

Why do all these idiots want to fast when they are not fat at all

Yes.

A day or two is likely to have no effect but if you follow the retarded "lets just drink water for a month" plan here you are setting yourself up for permanent irreversible damage.

How much water should one drink per day on say a 4-5 day fast?

because you'll lose muscle mass and it is extremely hard to eat that many calories in one sitting? Fucking retard lol

because it's the next fitness fad

But should it be? There's a lot of evidence to support it's claims
t. Biochemist

but when you're not even fat what's the point?

can i just consume or do i still need to buy multi vitamins and stuff?

dude, try it and then talk
I often fast, it's logically good for you, just start thinking by yourself and fucking try

Water is the only thing you need for fatty acid degredation, so you're fine on water only.

To those who are reluctant to supplement potassium and electrolytes just know that potassium iv is the most pain I've been in. It's so acidic that thinking about this makes my hand burn
Also don't worry I was only on a 2 month fast taking 40mg Adderall daily. I wouldn't advise it to anyone, but I did lose 40 lbs in the process. I also almost died.

Ya live, ya learn.

you don't need anything buddy
Just water keep hydrated af, drink a lot, specially at night or else you wake up extra dry

What a pussy.. try it, talk later

You lose muscle only when there's no fat and calories don't mean shit
you got fucked by big business

I see you already suffered some of that "permanent irreversible damage" in your brain if you seriously think that the body is dumb enough to ignore fat supplies and muscles and go straight to your organs.

???
You fasted for 2 months???
You wouldve lost more than 40lbs man.

Can I have coffee during a fast? Like 1 cup a day?

Coffee creates acidity, acidity is linked to oxydation, when you're fasting you'll feel way more energized you don't need the coffee
and taking coffee on an empty stomach is very stressful for your body
I dont recommend

Can I still drink a fuckton of unsweetened black/green tea?

Realize that tea better prevents me from getting hungry.

This guy is wrong. Both acidic and basic conditions can lead to nasty redox reactions and free radical cascades, just in different ways. Nevertheless, don't drink coffee on a fast.
t. Biochemist

Coffee at the most will make you simulate hypoglycemia depending on if you're IF or extended fast you mouthbreathing disinfo imbecile
t. Actual physiological biochemist that downs black coffee to do fasted workouts

idiot

Autophagy

We're not talking about IF, dipshit.

what

Read the first post in this thread dude

> cross-cultural practice that has been done for centuries
> fad

How did you come to this conclusion?

I bet you follow the paleo diet too don't you

No, I don't; and that's not an answer to my question.

And what the fuck is your fat? NOT caloric energy stored?

Starvation occurs when you have no fat left.

23h fast
6 fistfuls of leafy greens
cardio after waking up
slow focused body weight exercise before eating
no meat milk cheese or eggs
meditate
clean water and air ,live around many plants
eat a variety of fruit and vegetables

just because people have done it in the past unwillingly doesn't make it automatically good.

every fasting thread
>gets called out
>loses argument about why you should fast
>thread dies
>new thread is created the next day

>falling for so many memes at once