Seriously, what would Africa be like if it was never colonized?

Highly advanced, because the black man has TECHNOLOGY whereas the white man has TRICKOLOGY.

I hate both sides of this stupid argument.

Being unable to argue don't make you smarter or wiser

I feel bad for laughing at this. It really must suck to be deprived of your traditions, history and culture that you become this deluded.

>t. big brained radical centrist
Go away Sargon.

That depends wildly on so many factors that it reduces your question to a pointless argument starter with no real resolution

>Federation of the White sheep

If the two sides are equally laughable then it isn't a fallacy to not take one of them. And taking a third option doesn't inherently make you a centrist, it just means you have a view which is different from the two main ones. Stop getting mentally cucked by the two-party mindset.

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This. Africa existed for a long time prior to colonization. They have a record that we can compare the present to. This isn't hard.

Why is it always blacks that talk about this shit instead of spics when latin america actually had complex urban state socieites and was making progress?

The Aztecs were outright closer to europe at the time then Japan was in the 1800's before it modernized . You could have actually seen Mesoamerican and Andean states catch up had they gotten btfo by a combo of geopolitics and diseases; and then colonial powers preventing them from recovering.

Sub-Saharan Africa has shit-tier soil for pre-industrial agriculture; it's all either too sandy or too deprived of nutrients because rainforest floors are sucked dry by labyrinthine tree systems. So no one group of people was able to "tame the land" and develop an agricultural city-state network until comparatively much later in history than in Mesopotamia, etc., when certain crops made their way south across the Sahara.

When SSA cultures just started on the (for lack of a better term) "general civilization tech curve", civilizations in Europe and Asia were already well into the high middle ages. So the situation was that there were a few quasi-developed cultures and a shitload of tribe-based ones, as seen in pic related: an absolute mess of separate, unrelated tribe-states with different languages, religions, etc.

If Africa had never been colonized, it certainly wouldn't be worse off than it is now, but it also wouldn't be a sci-fi fantasy paradise. Chances are it would have a fraction of the population it has right now; a few developed countries along the coast, and a vast interior of peoples living at the same level of technology that they were 10,000 years ago. Like the Amazon times ten.

I thought Africa's problem was various diseases fucking people and livestock up. That and jungles and deserts up your ass.

Because latin america media is full of divisive propaganda, several indigenous peoples are fucked up due to malnutrition and expropiation of lands, and the ones who live in the city end up being assimilated by mongrels.

White people ruin everything. They came into Africa, ruined the natural order and now the land is having twice as much difficulty inducing natural selection with western civilization babysitting them.

>white
No such thing.

he addressed the jungles sucking up nutrients in his post, also yeah africa had a bunch of shitty diseases

Ethiopia debunks this bullshit big time. Its also the only negro society that dates back to B.Cs in formation as well.

>South East Asia can have civilizations in the jungle
>Meso-America can have civilizations in the jungle

Africans can not have civilization because of the jungle(?)

Das racis, mon

It wouldn't be as bad as it is if there were no contact with civilisation, but they would still be just tribes surviving and occasionally making war with bows and spears.

They didn't have enough knowledge to make bows

Bantus would probably starve to death. Everyone else would be okay

South East Asia had plenty of Chinese influence
Meso-America could build pyramids, had a language and knew about metals

>Ethiopia debunks this b
>the one exception of Ethiopia proves that 98% of Sub-saharan African isn't full of nigger savages who are about 10,000 years late to civilization and evolution

>nigger
Woah, why the racism?

theres a way better site for you to go to if the nigger word offends u

>german "holy roman" empire
holy shit thats /our guy/

>nigger
Why the racism?

>Ethiopian
>A negro society

Arabs can make civilizations, nothing new

user anything that far into the Sahara is a fucking nigger.

We can look at where Africa was in mid 1800s and extrapolate from there.

by the 1800s whitey already was in Africa poisoning their prehistoric brains with things like "science" "morality" "empathy" and worst of all "working".

What you think is more "logical" don't change reality

>That culture map
What the fuck is going on there? Why does every little county have their own culture?

>developed agriculture
>developed cities
>had their own writing systems
>developed medicine and surgeries to deal with disease
what is it that they lacked

>what is it that they lacked
agriculture, cities, writing and medicine

You underestimate how isolated Africans really were from each other. Endless jungle, dessert and savanah plus no trade routes and big city centers, means a lot of isolation and therefor diversification.

user please

The only thing they lacked was writing. Everything else they had, albeit at a smaller scale. Except metallurgy, that was actually pretty advanced.

Their "agriculture" is incredible primitive, takes some effort to consider it agriculture, same goes for "medicine and cities

>lack writing
>1800s
And you really are trying to say that these people are equal?

>what is it that they lacked

Cities not consisting of a few mudhuts

Wait, we’re talking about the eightenhundreds? Well of course they had writing by then. What I was trying to say is that writing wasn’t developed independently.

They developed writing systems in both west and east Africa, muslims adopted Arabic script.

Africa always had an extremely low population density and avoided famine by rotating the land instead of crop.

How about a huge collection of mud huts

>They developed writing systems in both west and east Africa, muslims adopted Arabic script.
Adopted from india.
>Africa always had an extremely low population density and avoided famine by rotating the land instead of crop.
It's called nomadic collector, it's a level that precede agriculture
>How about a huge collection of mud huts
3000 is not huge

>Adopted from india
Nsibidi script isn't from India
>It's called nomadic collector, it's a level that precede agriculture
Not all of them were nomadic, Nok culture of Nigeria used agroforestry instead of permaculture
>3000 is not huge
Like I said low population density

>agroforestry
a advancement form of nomad, mas nomad none the less

Look no further than Haiti for your answer, friendo. They've been on their own only 20 years less than the United States.

>also yeah africa had a bunch of shitty diseases
Fucking bubonic plague is indigenous to China but the Chinese seemed to have done fine.

Try telling that to all blacks in the US

Agroforestry isn't practiced by nomads, the Nok remained settled and domesticated crop from millets to rice.

Black people are domesticated consumerists, jesus christ. Fetishizing corporate products like it's a revolutionary act.
We should've deported them after the Civil War.

Because Latin script was naturally developed by the Anglo-Teutonic master race.

Ignore anons who meme about mud huts.
Africa had civilizations, including ones that had bronze and metal working, even fortifications of sorts.
But this was not a civilization like ours.
It would be more violent and authoritarian and likely strongly feudal.
There would be a large mass of subservient and expandable population with more intelligent ruling class.
Several cults, overall violent.
Interior wouldn't be developed much, most city-states and kingdoms on the coast.Lots of crude slavery.

Technologically wise they wouldn't be very advanced, keep in mind that Aztecs,Inca and Mayans achieved more than Africans despite lack of contact with outside world and its ideas and technology.

You can argue about climate, soil, but of course there are certain things that aren't discussed. It is widely known in specialist research on DNA history of mankind that Sub-Saharan Africans don't have Neanthertal admixture, this isn't a racist theory or conspiracy. Sub-Saharan Africans mixed with different hominids. Now as to consequences in attitudes and behavior, that is open to discussion that probably can't be made.

Look at some examples of African civilization

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nok_culture

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kongo

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana_Empire

You can also read about Yoruba, which are highly educated and intelligent group in Nigeria. Actually Nigeria is good basis on what Africa would look like, they maintened a lot of traditions and had previous experience in statehood before colonization.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_people

And an example how despite appearances cultural differences that go very deep do exist:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confraternities_in_Nigeria

Its the mosquitoes they are perfect bioweapons of mass destruction. If Memefrica was a diseased shithole with no mosquitoes it would be more tolerable.

Did you ever hear the tragedy of General Kabarebe the Mad? I thought not. It’s not a story the Americans would tell you. It’s a Rwandan legend. General Kabarebe was a Dark Lord of the Rwandans, so powerful and so wise he could use planes to influence the Congolese to control electricity… He had such a knowledge of the dark country, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark countries of Africa are a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he was attacked by the Angolans, and suffered 80% losses in the first day. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not his men.

Star Wars is a retelling of a rewandan folk tale confirmed

youtube.com/watch?v=LItNFP7icUw

Realistically like Africa pre-1880s.

>fewer large unified states
There might never be a large Nigeria or Congo, just many dozens of small countries that will be difficult to unify. In the more isolated parts there would be no statehood of any sort.

>still under Western White domination
Even if Europeans don't colonize much of Africa it would still be poorer and weaker than Europe and the US. Europeans will still trade with the coastal areas and dominate it economically with their products.
Even if they don't put their soldiers on the ground they could still bribe local leaders to do their biding.

>less Africans
No modern Western medicine and infrastructure means less demographic growth in Africa. These might get there but many decades latter and mostly in then coastal areas under Western influence. Africa might remain less populated than Europe as it was before the 1900s.

Africans had Arabic influences, written languages and developed their own ironworking though.

>Rwanda decides to invade the Congo, which is a plan that makes Barbarossa look like a cakewalk. The Congo has like 6 times the population of Rwanda, and is seriously like a hundred times the sizes.
>So what Kabarebe decided to do was, he takes his paratroopers, they cross into the Congo. They seize commercial airliners. They get on board them. The fly them across the continent, where they land in the Congo's primary air force base.
>Within days, a few hundred men had blocked off an entire nations' access to the sea, captured their airforce, cut of 40% of the electrical power generation by seizing a dam and were about to take the capital.
THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING MADMAN

Why don't they make movies out of this, rather than embarrassing wankery like Black Panther?

Was Black Panther even bad, I wanted to see it because I like Marvel but then all these other black people had to politicize it and turned me off.

Aq Qoyunlu literally means White Sheep.

Agqoyunlu, it's called Agqoyunlu in turkic. Kind of wordplay of word "qoyun" which means both sheep and chest. The warriors used to wear white coloured parcel or something from sheep wool on their chest.

Eh, it' alright. Your typical superhero movie shlock which is gonna keep you entertained for the promised 2 hours if you don't think too hard about it. There definitely is an undercurrent of muh black power though. Also feminism, of course. The liberal reviewers aren't praising it to high heaven for no reason. And what would you expect from a hero who is named after a certain political organisation? But yeah, the fanbase is the true pain in the ass here and not the movie itself.

Atəm, 40 qəpiyin olmaz?

>@deahtbyliberals
Yep sure sounds like a legit nigger account.

I thought he was cool in Civil War and I'm trying to catch up on all the Marvel movies I missed before Infinity War comes out, so I might check it out later.

African.
Probably a lot less populated (not on a large scale; overpopulation would still be an issue, but it would be comparable to China and/or India’s where states would likely be able to at least support a healthy portion of them.
There would still be resource extraction and “colonization”, but it would likely be more of African terms ie US missions to Africa where they send the Military to build infrastructure in exchange for raw materials shipments
Basically, it wouldn’t be “better” but it wouldn’t be worse.

>less Africans

So it would unironically be better off than now
Leftypol was right after all

>that "?" in the western Congo

Top kek

>Finland had a border with Korea
I don't believe you

It would have definitely been behind Europe in terms of industrialization but most of the problems it suffers from now would literally be non existent, as they once were.

t. Nigerian

God I wish was in Biblical Africa

that's what it looked like in the 19th century during the scramble for africa after all

>No one traded with them/ acknowledged their existence for decades
>Shit dictators propped up by US
>Lonely island with few natural resources
>Wrong side of civil war won making matters worse
Not saying you're totally wrong, but Hati also had it very very hard and a white nation in the same situation would be equally shitty.

Nigeria will become a Regional hegemon on par with Germany today in the coming century if they can sort out their internal conflicts. Mark my words, the 22nd century will be the century of Africa when the technology to tame such a unique continent finally becomes available and widespread.

>Paratroops onto enemy air bases and vps
Holy shit, real life is like HOI4

Does this include Islamic colonization of Africa as well?

No doubt, if Europe didn't colonize Africa, the Ottoman Sultans, Arab Emirates and Morocco would have carved it up and spread Islam like wildfire across the continent. They were already trying to before Europe kicked their ass and took it from them. Look at the Swahili coast, Moroccan conquest of Mali, Ottoman conquest of the Red Sea Coast etc..

Africa without colonization still would have cannibalism, rape culture(as in real rape culture not the SJW idea what it was) and human sacrifice among other things.

> Mark my words, the 22nd century will be the century of Africa when the technology to tame such a unique continent finally becomes available and widespread.
They will be owned by Chinese then.
Also Africa will never be dominant due to inherent violence on that continent and lack of statehood traditions.

Saying that africa would have mudhuts because afruca had mudhuts and still has mudhuts isn’t an irrational laughable argument

that is practicaly what happened any way, all the major political and territorial entities after arab conquest were based around slave trade hubs established for export into muslim lands and beyond

they didnt seem to have a problem with it

>Europe without colonization still would have cannibalism, rape culture(as in real rape culture not the SJW idea what it was) and human sacrifice among other things.
That's how it was before numerous nomadic groups came down from the steppes and colonized the continent. Remember that..

Africa would most likely be in a better state, but not much better. Without colonization the borders would most likely be made by groups and tribes, making the cultural split in africa today much less of a problem. But besides this, the continent in general, besides some coastal regions, egypt, and northern africa are still lands that have little to no resources or would be nearly impossible to live in.

Those groups also had human sacrifice, rape culture and such. The only thing that was eliminated was cannibalism if anything.

Civilization brought by middle-eastern influence eradicated such savage behavior.

>That's how it was before numerous nomadic groups came down from the steppes and colonized the continent. Remember that..
So you are saying that modern Africa is behind Europe by 5000 years?

>Civilization brought by middle-eastern influence eradicated such savage behavior.
And yet despite being colonized both by Christians and Muslism, human sacrifice, rape culture and cannibalism is still widespread in Africa.
Wonder why...

Considering it Europe wasn't separated from an intercontinental knowledge exchange by a desert bigger than the continental US... Yes.