What was life like for native americans before the white man came?

what was life like for native americans before the white man came?

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life would be pretty good desu. they lived in mostly peaceful farmer communities, it was almost utopia-like

>a lot of people unironically believe this

Depending on the tribe it could be reasonably nice but it would be a hard life. No horses means that you're walking everywhere and carrying everything without a pack animal. Europeans introducing horses to North America honestly revolutionized the way native Americans lived. Before the horses were introduced hunting and migrating from place to place would have been difficult.

Tribal warfare is shitty tho, depending on the tribe you could be treated well as a slave with the hope of being adopted in to the community after some time or you could be slowly burned, mutilated, beaten and tortured to death over a few days. But that is typical of tribal warfare for the rest of the world across time.

"Native Americans" is too broad a term. That's like asking what life was like for Europeans at some point. The life of somebody in the Iroquois confederation, for example, might be very different than a Puebloan.

> Europeans introducing horses to North America honestly revolutionized the way native Americans lived.

This. The stereotypical notion of a noble savage riding horses roaming the plains living in teepees is just as far removed from traditional Native life as natives living on reservations

like anywhere else some lived in peaceful farming/hunter gatherer communities some got pretty rekt. Only major difference was that there was less permanent infrastructure and a lot more ethnic diversity in small areas because no horses means no transportation. Look at the first episode or so of Ken Burns The West. And thats all just for native north americans, things were a lot different for aztecs and incas.

Didn't a lot of tribes often get into conflicts with eachother?

What of dogs and travois?

>it was almost utopia-like
this noble savage hippie shit needs to end. Theres was a tough and hard life. Just because it was simple doesnt mean it was 'utopia' especially when for most of these tribes, if you didnt get a kill hunting, you didnt eat.

It was......heaven. Every one went without want; nobody starved; everyone respected each other. There was no fighting or unkind words. There was no concept of ownership or hierarchy or patriarchy or race

Shut the fuck up

Whatever it was, it was made by and for superior beings compared to the subhumans living in europe.

>what was life like for native americans before the white man came?


Non meme answer. A state of permanent low-intesity warfare, much like European tribes before states were built.

imagine your life now but without government or porn or air conditioning

it's what we were all made for.
peak happiness.
yes, mutilation included.
in fact the threat of it compounds your happiness.
Real danger -> Real work -> REAL success -> real smiles
imagine fucking that filthy chick on the right
shit, you know they're hairless and they don't sweat.

Red Man puff pipe
Red Man make hunt
Red Man screw Red Woman
Red Man happy life
White Man come, take land and buffalo
Red Man PISSED

Nasty, brutish, and short.

They were better than nothing I guess, but still not very good. There's a reason they dropped that stuff for horses as soon as they could.

Native Americans is a broad concept. There were huge cultural and lifestyle differences between different tribes and regions. The natives living in the Pacific Northwest lived very comfortable lives, basically being able to be sedentary and survive off fruit and vegetable gathering and simple hunting.

>You will never screw Red Woman

Why live?

Didn't some kill and eat other tribes?

tfw before the white man came every red woman was perfect

honestly it was boring as fuck

Better before they came.

Europeans settle Europe: 40000BC
Amerindians reach North America: 15000BC

European crops, most of which they got from the Middle East, date from 8000BC.
Amerindian crops date from 6000BC.

Europeans getting bronze from other cultures around 3000BC.
Amerindians reached the bronze age in 500BC approximately.

Horse domesticated in 3000BC approximately.

Then let's compare:
Europeans lurking around as nomads: 30000 years.
Amerindians lurking around as nomads: 9000 years.

Europeans reaching the bronze age from other cultures after the Neolithic stage: 6800 years.
Amerindians reaching the bronze age by themselves without the influence of a culture thousands of years ahead of development: 5500 years.

Let's check how many years humans have interacted with the horse population and environment: 37000 years.
Let's check how many years have Amerindians affected the camelids of South-America, when the spaniards came: 15000 years. They had less than half the time, yet they already domesticated diverse species for food and wool.

And I didn't mention the disadvantages such as continental isolation (north-south and east-west), Niño fenomena that destroys coastal villages, less cultures to trade with, and no naval technology, iron, horses, wheel, and writing from north-african nor middle-eastern nor central-asian cultures.

As their higher development demonstrates, Amerindians are superior to europeans.

*destroys your narrative*

Look at Africa before Europeans
Sorta like that, but with proto-Asians

There was tribal warfare no doubt.
But the average native american lived longer than an average European, was of better health, and was also taller.

Life in the cities was very destructive for humans.

Different culture and different climate.
And of course different genes too.

...

They died at the age of 25 and murdered eachother by the ton but when the WHYTE MAN did it, it was MEAN

Wow. That text is outdated. The books are from the 70s, and I updated the info, and you modifyed wrongly some stuff.

Evidence?

They fought, enslaved and killed each other.
So it was kind of a paradise I guess ...

Are you the original incaposter?

Yes. There is solid evidence Amerindians reached America before 26000BC.
There is evidence that middle-easterner cultures consumed cereal in 23000BC.
There is evidence Amerindians consumed potato in 8000BC.
There is evidence of tin-bronze in 3800BC.
The bronze i refered there was arsenic-bronze, not tin bronze, and it's also outdated.
Earliest tin-bronze is from 700AD in the Americas.
North-America had horses, it seems they went extinct just with the arrival of R1 haplogroup populations in 7500BC to North-America.
The rest is accurate, but still lacks information about how burden beasts in eurasia could already bear with heavy stuff (more than a single human), meanwhile the undomesticated llama (guanaco) reachs up to 90kg and the domesticated ones (llama) can weight up to 200kg.

I'm compiling some information about bronze technology area spread over time compared to the anatolian bronze age spread. Also, pottery, earliest proto-writing, writing, social reformation phases and a lot of tocapu stuff.

Wish me luck, boy ;^=)

>, meanwhile the undomesticated llama (guanaco) reachs up to 90kg and the domesticated ones (llama) can weight up to 200kg.
Was it possible for Incas to use domesticated llamas for pulling wheeled carts?

Llamas are like donkeys but much more unpredictable. They can chimp out and make both of you fall to death, they used those llamas for carrying stuff, however...I don't see anyone using carts on the Inca road.

Their anatomy is similar to the other camelids. So breeding them to reach 300 kg like the dromedary would be the optimum point for humans to ride them, I don't know what will be about their behavior though.

Possibly like Stone Age Mad Max, depending on the tribes I guess.

archery: 15000 BC

old world agriculture: 8000BC
new world agriculture: 6000BC

old world domestication of goats and sheep: 9000 BC
new world domestication of llamas and alpacas: 4000 BC

old world bronze age: 3500 BC
earliest archaeological evidence of bronze in new world: "middle horizon" or 600 AD at the earliest
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305440398903247

Time from archery to agriculture
old world: 7000 years
new world: 9000 years

time from agriculture to bronze age
old world: 4500 years
new world: 6600 years

fix'd, you can stop writing essays about your flawed theory now

note: all of this depends on the environmental suitability for agriculture, available crops and cattle and the abundance of copper and tin/arsenic needed to make bronze and so isn't a strong indicator of "superiority".

>Eurangutang steals Middle Eastern and North African progress under "Old World"
Amerindians are superior to European wh*Toid, never mentioned anything about other people.

note: all of this depends on the environmental suitability for agriculture, available crops and cattle and the abundance of copper and tin/arsenic needed to make bronze and so isn't a strong indicator of "superiority".

>hurr niggers are inferior because they didnt do all this!
>hurr europeans are not inferior because they did nothing and needed technology exported to them, this is all dependent on environment
>t. eurangutang brainlets

Yes. So did early Europeans.

didn't say anything about "niggers".

Sorry racists got you butthurt but this isn't /pol/, if you can't get your facts straight or apply basic logic you will look silly.

Bump. I'm really curious about northern hunter gatherer tribes.

Not sure if this is bait or not, but I'll take a nibble. Here's your (You).

>being trolled this easy

No, you're just a standard brainlet. Of course development in an indicator of superiority, to say it isn't because you're butthurt is dumb.

Stone age mad max was after the European diseases hit though and their society collapsed.
Many lived healthier lives than Europeans actually. Read about the first explorers and they are astonished at how few of them are filled with scars and dying of diseases. That is until they were hit hard by Eurasian diseases.
Not true in Mesoamerica or the Andes.
t. I know nothing of indigenous precolumbian peoples
Which ones?

Nasty, brutish and short.