What makes fascism so appealing to people?

I'd be for it if they got rid of all africans and arabs in Sweden.

barely any of them though where i live. come to norrland mate.

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>democracy abolished or severely reduced
Democracy isn't inherently good, and in many cases is actively damaging to the moral and social fabric of the nation.

>reelections doesn't really happen
Doesn't matter, since the leader stays in power anyway.

>civil war is inevitable
What fascist country has had a civil war?
>Inb4 Spain
Spain was communist at the start of the war.

>warmongering leader? wanna get him reelected?
better wait a couple of decades or have him assassinated
Why would you want to re-elect a warmonger? Unless you support his wars, in which case you'd want him to become a dictator to see the war to its end

>discrimination and killing of lesser people
Which is good, weeding out the inferiors means a smaller burden on society's and by extension, your shoulders as those who cannot provide for themselves are removed, freeing up resources for great national efforts.

>the justice system would likely be corrupt and inefficient
And it isn't in democracies? Just look at the Russian collusion case and the Nunez memo and tell me there's no corruption there.

I wish I could ask them why they voted for the hit.

russia is not a democracy

Fucking bullshit.

Please, for the love of God, tell me where to find these memes online

Anybody have the one with the tigers, and the edit of that one with HIV?

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Democracy
>High spendings on election campaigns and bureaucracy
>Divided government is stagnant
>Bad presidents have less impact
>Good presidents have less impact

Fascism
>Direct control over the government means more changes are made, for better or for worse
>Bad dictators are terrible for the country
>Good dictators can do great things for the country

Fascism is not an end but means of transformatory period to Monarchy

>Russia
>fascist
Try authoritarianism with a ruling Party of power. Russia doesn't haven ideology under Putin. The Duma isn't even unified at what their goals are for Russia and how to look at Russia's history.

>i can feel like a man as an extension of the state

Because everyone imagines they're the one putting the boot on the undesirables' necks. They don't ever think they'll be the ones with the boot on THEIR necks.

I would love fascism again.
>but muh human rights, i want to be a degenerate
Freedom is great when you have an uncucked society. But it's not so great when you have liberalism, unmotivated freaks of nature screaming racism and virtue signaling
>but muh rights and muh freedoms
What freedom is there? Freedom to be a faggot?
>dude weed lmao
>I like dressing up like a tranny and acting like a complete degenerate, but it's human rights lol
Well fuck human rights then
>but-but muh constitution, at least i gots muh constitution as the white race dies out
Seeing the order and the prestige of the state in other countries makes me love the totality of the state even more. I use to be a lolbertarian faggot when I was in HS but now i have grown to hate those faggots who continue to cry about, muh constitution, muh rights, muh privacy, muh morals, muh gunrights, muh weed, muh torture, muh i hate war, war is bad.
Bullshit war is good for society especially when we have such a degenate society like today!

This post would be so much better if the OP didn't start ranting about National "Socialism" being leftist like an utter moron.

True, but the point remains. Everyone thinks they'll be Himmler, living the high life where their faults will be covered up and accepted because they're the leaders of the movement

because fuck business school professors

>we must genocide outsiders and begin nuclear war in order to prevent some degenerate from putting on women's clothes
>we must prevent the spread of arts and literature that goes against my opinions because that could endanger my collectivist and monolithic mode of thought
>we should care more about the spread of muh true nordic genes than the complete stagnation of all philosophy and thought
Great ideology there user.

harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/

>subverting the country by making people love their family and race
It's diabolical.

Yes, you should care more about your genes than about philosophy. That's the rational choice that all of your ancestors made. The last race of men on earth will be those who chose genes above all. You can either be the winner or you can be nothing.

Yes, human behavior is fucking bullshit.

It's not the "loving your family and race" that's the problem. It's the "you should exclude and then kill everyone who isn't in either" part that has invariably followed every single time.

Who's to say that you'll be on the purging side the next time around, and not among the purged?

People aren't actually all that naturally inclined towards democracy, I don't think. There's still plenty of tribal instincts buried in people's brains that gravitates them to the idea of a strong leader uniting the "tribe" and cutting out all inefficiencies and squabbling for the greater good.

The problem is that when those instincts are applied when the tribe is an industrialized nation of millions of people with modern technology, absolutely devastating violence is the probable result. So yeah, while we can rationally see that it's probably not a good idea, it shouldn't be too surprising that it continues to stick around.

I'm gonna try to be on the purging side cuz it's going to happen lol

>Democracy isn't inherently good
in a democracy you can peacefully remove a shit leader after only a few years in office, in a non-democracy you have to wait decades until they die or start a civil war which will implode the economy and cause many innocent people to die. In both cases there's no guarantee that whoever you get next will be any better.

In democracies there is a much greater respect for rule of law, and much lower level of corruption, because corrupt leaders will have to face an outraged public. In a non-democratic state a leader can act in an arbitrary way and just intimidate anyone who dares to speak out against it, since realistically the only way an undemocratic leader is accountable to the people is to not fuck up so badly they murder him.

Democracy is far from perfect, but until someone presents me the model for an autocratic state that can guarantee you will somehow always have an enlightened man of the people as a ruler, rather than a self interested hack, who will tirelessly work to stamp out corruption, I cannot support any kind of autocracy.

>Good dictators can do great things for the country
like who?

>all forms of socialism, including national socialism is the same oppressive authoritarian system in the end

>France's Socialist Party, the soviet union under Stalin, and Nazi Germany all use the word socialist
>that means they're the same!

what is degeneracy and why is it bad

>war is good for society
how many wars have you fought in?

> Russian collusion case and the Nunez memo and tell me there's no corruption there
where's your evidence of corruption

I don't know m8 it's hard to be specific when you practically have the entire length of human history to work with.

Good idea. Just keep escaping to some other place.

>What freedom is there? Freedom to be a faggot?

I've never understood this. How are homosexuals in anyway a meaningful threat to society. They make up a small fraction of the community. What do they do that's so inherently destructive? I'm not inclined to believe sodomy is going to bring civilization to its knees.

What a bad comic

>>uncucked society
>>freedom to be a faggot
>>Well fuck human rights then
>>Bullshit war is good for society
Get out and never fucking return. Read a book. Finish school. And don't you dare bring this /pol/ idiocy back here again. The moment you start advocating for restricting human rights and authoritarianism is the moment the state and opportunistic fucks will TRY to fuck you over.

Fascism is only appealing to democratic and republican oriented individuals when they feel like their free society can't fight back against collectivists. Thus they democratically decide to rescind certain freedoms to protect the liberal values they value the most. Essentially it happens when open minded people get fed up with close minded radicals that absolutely despise democracy. Fascists see democracy and liberalism to be flawed but can be saved with certain measures, whereas Communists absolutely despise democracy and liberalism.

so we can agree fascism is the same shit as democracy but with different shape

I view fascism as a sort of lubricant or spring cleaning. The system should be set up so that every once in a while a strong man can come and clean house. This doesn't even have to entail murdering people either simply a temporary suspension of civil rights. Fascism would do wonders to turn around many failing mid sized american cities and restore them to former glory.

Something you just need to just need to take the trash out/whip people into shape.

>putting your family and race through warfare and genocide because you love them so much
Makes sense to me

destruction of the republic can sometimes increase longevity, I don't think were at that point though

>Fascism would do wonders to turn around many failing mid sized american cities and restore them to former glory.
That'll happen naturally once the liberals push against free speech and gun rights. All they have to do is get one more liberal judge, at which point the 2nd amendment can effectively be revoked through judicial "reinterpretation", and populist demands will lead to a federal gun confiscation. Cue the civil war and a purging of the cities where the majority of liberals are located, followed by a conservative restoration of the Constitution.

>temporary
And what exactly is making them do it temporarily? What would stop them from just.. Never ending it?

America was second fiddle to Europe until fascism fucked it up. What are you even talking about?

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You’re bat shit crazy if you think there’s even a 0.01% chance this will happen. Go into the real world one fucking time and realize this will never happen. You dumb fucking clown shoe

You do realize that you can do both these things in our modern society. Hell, there's literally not a single taboo against the the latter.

It’s for people who can’t and won’t fit in with society.

>>All they have to do is get one more liberal judge, at which point the 2nd amendment can effectively be revoked through judicial "reinterpretation",
>>Cue the civil war and a purging of the cities where the majority of liberals are located,
Fuck kinda fanfiction is this?

Probably the "day of the rope" I keep hearing about.

No it shouldn’t, fuck anything resembling a monarchy that’s the whole point the us is a nation you sniveling cunt

I would be inclined to agree with you, but the world is a wild place and I think we may have only tricked ourselves into thinking we’ve cured violence and political instability. Give this timeline a half century and we’ll see how crazy things get.

Have you tried reading books by Fascist authors so that you can understand what fascism is instead of spouting leftist memes on a Taiwanese fishing board?

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Hitler observed that Republicans slide into complacency, paying lip service to the people for gibs. A well organized movement like the communist party will eventually inspire the people to turn against the useless liberal politicians. Thus, a movement with the same organizational potential, and fire in the belly, is necessary to oppose them.

In short, it's part of an inescapable entantiodrama between anti-liberal factions that arises when the political center stagnates.

The only thing is that liberals, not the modern progressive kinds but the average person open to ideas, are far more in favor of fascist policies if you sugar coat them. Fascism has the end goal of preventing the far left from destroying western democratic idealism at any cost and to many they're willing to accept small sacrifices in order to achieve it.

The District of Columbia vs. Heller case was only won for the 2nd amendment in a 5-4 vote, it would only take the death of a conservative judge and the installation of a liberal one to undo it.

The day of the rope is a retarded fan fiction about instituting a fascist government and killing non-whites all around the world.

>Fascism in theory =/= Fascism in practice

Fascism gives total power to the State in hopes that the State will grant its citizens domain over inferior sates, but puppeting or colonizing.

In fascism the dictator is a trusted ideologue that is loved by his people, because the Dictator is the embodiment of his people, his culture, and his country. The dictator is seen as a powerful being by his people and his people believe that he will elevate them to superiority over other states.
Like how Germany seen Hitler, Italy seen Mussolini, Rome saw Julius, France saw Napoleon, or even today how Russia sees Putin...

Democracy is a nice thing, but when the politicians no longer represent the people, and it becomes impossible to elect a effect leader, than the fascism flue will soon hit you.

We live in peak Democracy at the beginning of the 21st Century, this is because of the USA's ideological dominance fallowing WW2 and the Cold War, but do you honestly think democracy will rule forever? Rome was a republic, then became an empire. Germany was a republic, than became a Reich. Even France fallowing their revolution was a republic until Napoleon became emperor.

by the 2100's democracy will either have crumbled in the West or be eliminated by then, democracy is nice, people like to be free, but when people use their freedom to make bad choices, freedom becomes more of a burden than privilege.

"Long-term stability at all costs. The individual has no value beyond his utility to the state, whether as an instrument of war, or production." - Edward Sallow

Do you have insecurities OP? Are there problems in your life that you don't know how to fix? What if I told you the State can fix all your problems, and all you had to do was believe in the State itself? would you believe it? what if everyone around you believed it? Would you believe in the State then? What if the State was fixing all their problems as well, how could you not believe in the State then? So you believe in the State, but things like term limits, constitutions, bureaucracy, and elections are taking power away from the State. Would you support the State to eliminate its insecurities.

When the people are happy, The Republic thrives, when the people have fallen, the Republic falls with it.

> unironically subscribing to Muslim views of history

and also in democracy if you have a good leader their term limit ends and you get a shit leader

Rule of Law only works when its people abide by the constitution, and when your country goes down the shitter rule of law goes out the window because no one wants to fallow the Law if the Law is whats problem with your country.

Autocracies rise when Aristocracies fail, if your country is full of idiots who cant govern themselves and vote for even bigger idiots who sell them out on broken promises, than the idea of a permanent benevolent leader is more appealing, even though their dynasty may only last a few generations, until another great leader makes a new dynasty, than until the people wise up and create a democracy, than the people are stupid and it takes a great man to lead them to a better horizon.

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> you get a shit leader
What? You will get another great leader. It isn't like there is only one competent guy in the entire country.

>Muslim views of history
>fallow Allah or die
real deep philosophy you got here.

>Wiemar Republic
>Strong men and good times
The Nazis conquered everything from France to within a mile of Moscow, that doesn't take weak men t b h

not to glorify them, but i'm just giving the case for fascism

and then when his term is up, you get a shit leader..... but what if you had a great leader that you and everyone else didn't want out of office after their term ended? what if this great leader is being suppressed by other branches of government?

/pol/

do you honestly thing every single time in history, when one man has total power it results in a bad thing?

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> The Nazis conquered everything

>fighting a War of Attrition against the USA and USSR combined will yield positive results
have you ever played hearts of iron, or are you just totally fucking retarded.

The Soviet Union literally killed over 20 million of its won people just to keep back Germany, which only had a population of 87 million, compared to just over 4 million Germany lost

yet another thinly veiled pol thread on his. fuck off

> muh kill death ratio
The weakness is to start a suicidal unwinnable war in the first place.

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Overall dictators have more power to do things quickly, the common people prefer for actions happen now which often can't happen in democracys. Also many dictators improved their countries such as Hitler building the autobahns and rebuilding the country despite his methods.

Do you honestly think they started the War believing that it was unwinnable? have you ever done anything knowing you would loose?

The fact of the matter is that it was winnable, there are thousands of ways Germany could have won, Hitlers incompetency cost them though, The USSR and the Nazi's where almost allies at one point, they even invaded and annex Poland together, but Hitler invaded the USSR thinking it would be as easy as the first world war (Germany beat Russia), they didn't realize how industrialized the Comintern was, along with the Scorched Earth Policy, along with advancing in the Winter, and even when the USA industrial giant was taking over France and destroying Italy.

Your a fucking retard.

Well, it seems like all good thing that dictators do happen in like first 10 years or so. After that they go full autism.

>Do you honestly think they started the War believing that it was unwinnable?

*declares war on America with no plan whatsoever*

So.. You saying that Nazi believeв that war of attrition against both the USA and USSR was supposed to be won by them? How?

this is just talking about war though
all countries go through war

>when the communism kicks in

Same with everything.

> Hitlers incompetency
Such as? Hitler incompetency is a meme. He was a genius military leader who carefully constructed his schemes.

Of course Fascists are antisocial gamer geeks. You are the degenerate.

They had no idea how industrialized either nation was. They had to declare war on America because of Japans autism, and War with the US was inevitable as they where strong allies to the UK.

The Nazis all ready had plans to conquer the UK, they just didn't work. Even then the Nazis where planning to take down the USA, they where going to use V2 rockets to bomb it into the capitulation, but the war was over by then.

This thread ist even about WW2 or the Nazis. it about fascism as an ideology in general. The Nazi's didn't loose because of their ideology, they lost because of their poor military strategies.

there actual evidence of fascism leading to success for a nation though

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_Rome
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Wars