Vegan General

Vegans are deficient in taurine:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3354491

Vegans are deficient in iodine:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12748410
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21613354

Vegans are deficient in Coenzyme Q10:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873950

Vegans are deficient in iron due to the fact that iron from plant sources is less bioavailable than iron from meat sources:

ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-HealthProfessional/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11269606

Vegans are deficient in vitamin A:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19103647
m.jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2346.full

Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

Vegans have lower testosterone than non vegans:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181
m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772
m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

Veganism causes loss of libido and erectile dysfunction:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

>I made a pretty good imitation mozzarella using cashews.

Just why.
This is the worst thing about vegan foods: they all try to taste like real, animal-based foods. That fact alone shows what bullshit it all is.

Children who are raised on strict vegan diets do not grow normally:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4067152
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8005079

Children develop rickets after prolonged periods of strict vegetarian diets:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874810/pdf/canmedaj01383-0052.pdf

"There are some links between vegetarians and lower birthweight and earlier labour"

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7788369

Effects of vitamin B12 and folate deficiency on brain development in children:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3137939/

"Particular attention should be paid to adequate protein intake and sources of essential fatty acids, iron, zinc, calcium, and vitamins B12 and D. Supplementation may be required in cases of strict vegetarian diets with no intake of any animal products."

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/

These next five are case studies:

Cerebral atrophy in a vitamin B12-deficient infant of a vegetarian mother:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25076673

Severe megaloblastic anemia in child breast fed by a vegetarian mother:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8442642

Consequences of exclusive breast-feeding in vegan mother newborn - case report:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19748244

Nutritional vitamin B12 deficiency in a breast-fed infant of a vegan-diet mother:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3948463

"We report the case of a 7 month-old girl that presented with acute anemia, generalized muscular hypotonia and failure to thrive. Laboratory evaluation revealed cobalamin deficiency, due to a vegan diet of the mother."

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18293883

I clicked 5 of these out of curiosity and all 5 mentioned a vegetarian diet...

wew.

any good science vegan on the board to counter these (((scientific papers)))

>meat eaters use false propaganda to justify killing animals

more news at six!

Vegan diets are even more restricted than vegetarian diets. Any negatives of a vegetarian diet are more than likely worse in a vegan diet, because you're cutting out even more stuff (cheese, milk, eggs, etc.)

Not even the guy who posted those links, but this really is common sense.

>pubmed

fuck off jew shill, those are all fake news.

dumb question but didnt see it in the sticky
as a mexifag is eating beans a good way to cut or bulk?
thanks

Which would amplify the effects being vegan

Beans protein quality is somewhat poor, but beans themselves are alright. Go well in pot foods etc. Why not, but try to have some meat in the pot too mate.

>>Abstract

Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465
Semen analysis of 66 unmarried medical students in the age group of 17-21 years was carried out. A higher liquefaction time pH, motility, lower sperm count and abnormal forms were observed compared to reported values. Liquefaction time, pH and sperm count was found significantly different in non-vegetarians and vegetarians, perhaps due to difference in their dietary proteins.

Oh okay so what you're saying is protein from dairy lowers sperm count gotcha

Are you fucking stupid? Veganism is more restrictive than vegetarianism.

Fuck off beaner

How so? What evidence do you have supporting your claim?

>i dont kill animals because muh feels
pussy

ive been a vegan for years and im fine. thats enough evidence as im a real person, those are just numbers and numbers that "scientists" put together lol

>66 unmarried medical students
>66
Are you fucking kidding me? 66 is not even close for the necessary sample size to provide any scientific "facts".

They're good for either because they're high in protein, but the calories are low making them good cut foods.

It definitely is.

This is from links the rest of them are pretty shitty too and again more than half are referring to vegetarians and not vegans

That's what I just said. Bad effects from being vegetarian, being vegan makes it worse.

>fine
Does your doctor say that? Do you have bloodwork and other test results backing up your claim?

Yeah it is.

It's not. You need hundreds for any of your god damm "facts". Do you believe polls where only fifty people were asked about their opinion?

>Does your doctor say that? Do you have bloodwork and other test results backing up your claim?

No, I was merely pretending to be retarded. Im not ACTUALLY a veganturd LOL. Just wanted to see how you react.

thanks user.

>Vegans have a lower sperm count
>protein from dairy lowers sperm count

You might be way too stupid to post here.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf

WOW Look one study which shows vegans have higher test guess we all better go vegan right? heh heh heh

kjeh kjeh we got those meatheads hehe!

So what is the minimum for your shitty sources? Two? One vegan stands for all vegans and one 600lbs piece of shit stands for all non vegans?

De nada.

Please read thread before calling anyone else stupid

Statistically. Want me to pull out stats about how republicans are uneducated, and gun owners have lower IQs? No? Then let's leave stats to statisticians. Social science isn't a real science.

>moving the goalposts
I guarantee that if a study came out testing hundreds of people with the same results you would start saying thousands, tens of thousands, etc

66

Those aren't statistics they're studies

The anti-vegan/vegetarian circlejerk is a meme based on confirmation bias. Most vegans I know don't mention it and don't care what other people eat, but no one remembers them because the obnoxious preachy ones are so much louder.

I'm not even vegan, though I don't eat meat often and try to avoid factory farmed and processed meats. I've just noticed that people bitching about vegans are way more annoying than actual vegans.

I ask about the general minimum sample size you need for your sources? When is a study reliable to you? I don't believe studies where less than 1000 people were examined and I'm not even vegan.

Your responses are nonsensical.

66

>hundreds
>now a thousand
Kek what did I say

id say 10 000 is the minimum, anything less is too uncertain!

Ok all agendas aside, those are studies where the only analysis is statistical analysis. So yes: it's statistics, and nothing except statistics. Read a book, goddamn.

You didn't answer the question. How few people are enough for you?

Seriously, how retarded does this poster have to be to save dozens of links for some halfassed studies? So he can post them on one of the few vegan threads on Veeky Forums?

66

Great, so this source:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3948463

provides only one example. Why are you still posting it if the sample size is 66 times too small?

How retarded do you have to be to think a vegan diet is somehow healthy?

or this: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3354491

less than 30 and you still posted it. It's as you didn't even read your own sources.

>because the thousands of starved non-vegan babies are an argument for veganism
Shitty parents aren't my problem

>vegan statistics aren't relevant in a vegan thread
Post statistics about the disproportionate amount of crime negros commit while your at it since that's also not relevant to the thread.

The parents were shitty because of (and only because of) the strict vegan diet, though.

Will my pecs look like shit, my skin turn green and will I suddenly become ultra autistic and self righteous if I become vegan guys ?

Cancer:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22121108
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11743810
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4135519/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18789600
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22342103
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15955547
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279082
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980957
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3081176
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22867847
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21422422
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12588089
Diabetes:
abcnews.go.com/Health/Diabetes/wireStory?id=2244647
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386029/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19351712
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18481955
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23509418
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16596361
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15983191
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23509418
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24149445
Heart Disease:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518696
circ.ahajournals.org/content/108/22/2757.full.pdf
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7019459
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426
Osteoporosis:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25352269
American Dietetics Association Position on veganism:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
Plant foods have a complete Amino Acid profile:
circ.ahajournals.org/content/105/25/e197.full
Benefits of a vegan diet:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4245565/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4583329/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4844163/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677007/

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>ultra autistic
>self righteous
Yep
>green
Nah
>shit pecs
Maybe

Literally everything you just posted is probably the venue false in the links or is otherwise misinformation.

How the fuck does ingesting calcium cause osteoporosis?

True, but that's an example of someone fucking up a vegan diet. You can fuck up any diet, although you could argue that a vegan diet is easier to fuck up.

>How the fuck does ingesting calcium cause osteoporosis?
Some people are just too retarded...

That's what I'm saying, blacks statistically committing more crime doesn't mean that black people are inherently more likely to commit crime, just like vegans being statistically malnourished doesn't mean veganism is necessarily malnourishing. See my comment about republicans having a lower IQ and being uneducated; that doesn't mean the republican platform is stupid, does it?
Statistics are a fucking meme.

>Just why.

Technophilia. I'm really interested in artificial flavors, food substitutes, replicators, in-vitro meat, food pills, Soylent, all that kind of thing. I don't believe in vegan ethics, but their demand is driving innovation.

>That fact alone shows what bullshit it all is
>thatsbullshitbutibelieveit.png

It's absolutely fascinating bullshit, and it'd be outstanding if they could figure out how to pull it all off.

i've turned vegan a month ago and i'm already feelin more energic.
Hit a new PR on diddlys today

Hey Veeky Forums

I turned vegan 3 minutes ago and already there's bounce in my step. This isn't a placebo, it's the real deal.

I even just lifted 8 plaet.

For confirmation, Google "countries with highest hip fracture occurrences" (that is a metric they use to determine how frequent osteoporosis is) and "countries with highest dairy consumption".
Now for science: milk protein has many sulfur containing amino acids, those make the blood acidic, the body tries to regulate it by utilising the calcium it got from milk instead of letting it go to the bones, and now your blood is no longer acidic but you pissed out a lot of sulfur and calcium salts.

>Just why
Gee, I love mozzarella but find it unethical to purchase and consume. If only there was a way I could enjoy 75% mozzarella taste and texture with 0% suffering.
Nah, can't do it, user on an American rare frog trading emporium will call me a hypocrite. Aw shucks.

have you heard of this thing called child hood obesity?
It's the same argument, But neither of them prove anything.
If anything, there are more cases of parents fucking their kids up by feeding them animal products than there are for parents giving their kids vegan food.

Also a fruitarian since birth ran a 5k when he was 11.

Fruitarians, raw detoxers, breatharians and every other kind of ditzy distraction from ethics are all batshit insane and need to be expunged from the movement.

>correlation=causation
Vegan logic, everyone.

>I will completely ignore the mechanistic explanation which was half of his argument! That will show him!
Careful user. That's a strawman and strawmen are vegan, they aren't made with animal products.

>strawmen are vegan, they aren't made with animal products

The straw was fertilized with manure.

I like how you link all that bullshit knowing that people will buy it because no one's gonna read all that, but they cant disagree with you if they havent read that

>muh animal feefees

You could be right, or maybe the explanation is that those countries with high dairy consumption, are also where people live the longest. You can't know.
It's fucking statistics 101.

Also, you can't just say 'science:' to make yourself credible. Post a source for your claims, kid.
The irony is not lost on you because you're the only one that's strawmanning.

Cross reference that same list with percentage of population that are overweight/obese.

Human blood has a ph buffer, drinking milk or any other low ph beverage will not destroy the buffer. This is first year biology.

Literaly just dealt with this here >Cancer:
>Diabetes:
>Heart Disease:
>Osteoporosis:
All of that is bullshit.
>press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is.html?m=1
>breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health
>authoritynutrition.com/7-evidence-based-health-reasons-to-eat-meat/
>authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
>foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us/
>t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/10-things-vegetarians-get-wrong
>t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/vegans-suck-at-science-heres-the-proof
>ADA on veganism:
The ADA and other oragnizations research/tenuous correlations trotted against meat are laughable
>diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>(cont.)

>(cont.)
>Longest Living Population:
Another meme bacxked up by obnly tenuos correlations , only looks good compared to the SAD or SAD like diets, and those poeple are more likely to be health consious overall. this doesn't disprocve anything
>Plant foods have a complete Amino Acid profile
And yet aniomal products are still superior against sole plant sources in this regard. And if you eat both you're more than covered
>Low Carbohydrate Diets and mortality:
More tenious links and memes
>Benefits of a vegan diet:
Can be gained with even more benefits, including superior strength and muscle building, by including animal products

>drinking milk or any other low ph beverage will not destroy the buffer
I didn't say it would, I said that not all the calcium in milk goes to bones because a large amount is used in alkalising the blood
Tbh mate you got me. I remember reading it around when I was doing research to turn vegan, so around the end of 2015, but I haven't kept a relevant article. If I find it I'll post it.

That's pretty much exactly what it means tardbait

Do you not know what a ph buffer is? The purpose of a ph buffer is maintain the ph level of human blood to within livable values.

The presence of a ph buffer in human blood makes what you are saying impossible.

No you didn't, you just called me wrong and posted another character limit's worth of links. I have refuted every single one of them in older threads months ago and you call me a memer. Mate, you are 90% a shitposter or 10% too dumb for reason. I won't respond to you again, from now on my response will be just the opinion discarded picture as a surrogate for all the facts I've shat on your blogs with or the hours wasted.
Hugs and kisses

>you're wrong because I say you are

I love how as soon as real studies and science prove that vegans are talking out there ass are posted vegans shut the fuck up and leave the thread

>No you didn't
Yes, I did. Whether you're too lazy to read them, or look up easily Google-able science proving your shitposting wrong isn't my problem.
>I have refuted every single one of them in older threads months ago and you call me a memer.
Please tell me and this entire threead more about how you still can't read and proved bullshit pseudoscience correct.
>Mate, you are 90% a shitposter or 10% too dumb for reason.
>This level of projection
>I won't respond to you again,
Because you're butthurt
>from now on my response will be just the opinion discarded picture as a surrogate for all the facts I've shat on your blogs with or the hours wasted.
You mean you'll keep literally memeing with a picture because you sure as shit don't have any actual science on your side

How much fiber do you get daily on avg?

Are you retarded?

What do you guys eat for cheat meals?

I'm going on a 48 hr water fast, since I binged today (2800 kcal, my daily goal is 1500kcal) and I want something at the end of the road to look forward too.

Are you female? Please be in greece

what made you come to that conclusion?

Your calories are reasonable for a female but ridiculously low for a male. Also, you want to fast because of a binge and need another binge as a treat. Among my peers, this short-cycle yo-yo diet thing is 99% a female trait.
Now please be in Greece. I am fun to be around, have many hobbies and am legit good in dancing.
Please respond

...

no I am 140 lb male 5'11

I am mostly fat, 20%-25%

good luck on your journey man