I'm fascinated by computers, technology and Computer Science. Should I study CS instead of Medicine...

I'm fascinated by computers, technology and Computer Science. Should I study CS instead of Medicine? I know doctors earn more on average, but I'm much more passionate about computers than Biology. Help me!

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i'd go for medicine, not because you earn more but because the job is more confy.

I'm a linux sysadmin.
IT can be brutal business
pick medicine, you'll study hard but after that it's a smooth sailing if you become a house doctor or whatever.

Sure go for CS.

It is friday now. Everyone is drinking beer. I am fixing domain join errors. Do not choose computers.

If ur rly good at math and u like to program do cs. If you like biology and fascinated by dna, enzymes and proteins then be a doctor

lol doctors work a lot too mate....

Don't do medicine OP, the job is not guaranteed to be comfy, residency is incredibly competitive, it costs way more than CS, there's way more bureaucracy, and the hours you spend studying will crush your soul, especially since you said you're more passionate about computers. The money simply isn't worth it unless you're psycho committed, and it doesn't sound like you are. Go for CS.

don't do it you will hate computers keep it as a hobby and study medicine

Master of CS here, can totally recommend it. IT is so broad today, you can pick a field which suits you best.

Easy to find a job and good paid. And I really like it as well.

Just go for Business Analytics or Data Sci

Are you in med school now? Its a long fucking path, and its hard to keep up to date with crypto when you're balls to the wall studying.

Unless you've got connections, not worth it imo. The good training schemes/ matches are SUPER competitive and you are competing with the best students academically. Doing well in your undergrad means shit compared to the workload in med school. Its not complicated, nothing on mech/ ele engineering, just the volume is INSANE.

Plus patients are usually incredibly ungrateful, non-compliant, fat af, smoke, etc. They dont even want to get better and are v rude. AT the end of day you have to do it because you want to.

If you're looking for money, there are MUCH easier routes. If you put in the horus required of med school and training into making money you'd be balling in 6 years ez.

Sitting at desk, fixing retarded uploadhandler-bug only showing itself on Edge. And i fucking love it :). The colleagues in IT are the BEST (Studied 5 years of medicine before i went into cs, so i know both worlds (both are epic))

Be a dermatologist. Low stress high reward.

in no way is it smooth sailing at all lmao. Most pts are assholes. They balme you when it goes wrong and thank god when it goes right.

I was doing 110 hour weeks for a month in intern year and came out under minimum wage ffs.

Touch infested yeast rash. Sounds nice

Yeah just walk into the most competetive specialty in one of the most competetive fields.

Haha, delusion, you literally sit on your ass all day while residents do 70 hours a week, are abused by their superiors as "ritual", can kill someone, be sued and have to interact with human trash instead of machines.

Are 2 year IT diploma programs worth it? I don't want to go back to University for 4 years if I don't have to, and I'm fine making 50k.

I actually did one semester in Medical School but then dropped out... Most of my family would think I'm insane for not going back, but my mom keeps telling me I should study CS 'cause I'm so fucking passionate about technology. I'm just worried the reality is totally different than what we expect. I must admit I hated Medical School though.

he said cs not your certificate in figuring out if java v38 is compatible with the latest windows update

To add on to this, residency hours are fucking brutal. Expect to watch the sun set and rise at hospitals...without sleeping.

Also regarding my point about bureaucracy and competitiveness...people play favorites. How many female medicine residents do you see compared to competent female software engineers? The point is, the CS industry has an extremely low barrier to entry and no skill ceiling, i.e. your portfolio/projects speak for themselves. If your product works, no one can say shit, nobody can fuck with it. If you want to succeed in medicine, guess what your portfolio is? A resume. An interview. Memorizing shit. How well you can schmooze with normies. That's all you have. If you go that route, invest in kneepads.

House doctors in my country have a easy job. Maybe it's different for mericans.
I'm a linux sysadmin learn to read.

I'm a CS student. Your combined love for technology and not wanting to earn nigger wage is more than enough reason to pursue CS.

>abused by their superiors as "ritual"
They call this "pimping." For anyone who doesn't believe this, just google "the art of pimping," and read the JAMA article. I'm not fucking joking.

What country? To clarify, everything I said only applies to the US.

it's quite interesting the high amount of women in medicine... my class was about 70% female...

my cs class is 5% female 5% orcs 90% male

Netherlands. Land of the milk and honey :)

>sysadmin
so you're a monkey..

Had a bachelor first, then worked some, then back to university for two years. Could have finished in less time, but enjoyed studying again after some work years.

In general though working for high-level companies gives you a greater boost then a master in my opinion. Was working for Amazon for 4 1/2 years, which was great for my resume. Lots of headhunter asking over LinkedIn.

IT is my passion, and you should be doing what you like - after all you will be doing it quite some time.

I got my PharmD two years ago, it's around that percentage in pharmacy also, maybe higher. I was a cuck back then and didn't know any better. Now a software engineer, job is cushy as fuck.

Nice, I want to go visit there someday.

This 100x.

Fuck medicine.

If you willingly unironically don’t do CS these days you’re a cuck. It is objectively the best field right now. Literally nothing else to say about it.

Hey, I study medicine, wanted to do CS all my life. Sometimes I do regret my decision

Depends on your contry

If u are in USA/Canada, def go into med, if u are in Europe or anywhere else, I would go fo CS

why in the us/canada should i go into med? higher salaries?

Go for med mate, Netherland have arguably the best Health care system in Europe.

Bare in mind that students of medicine and doctors are mainly literal retards.

Do medicine. Can't outsource a doctor, and you won't get replaced by a 20 year old when you hit 30. Ageism doesn't exist in medicine. Also too many idiots joining cs diluting its earnings potential.

yeah, and both education, research and practice is top notch

Europe is barely catching up

UK has lower salaries but professionally its great, Denmark is great but not so many research opportunities, Netherland is good as well. Then there is France where it really depends on the place you are working at and Scandinavia which can be comfy. Everything else is clusterfuck.

There is reverse ageism in medicine though

>tfw CS 1.6 is still one of the best games after all these years
>tfw CS 1.6 is probably better than the new CoD WWII shitpile

OP you already said you hated med school so I don't know why this is still a question, but in case you need more reasons to do cs:

regarding salary, sure doctors may earn more over a longrun average, but you'll be able to start earning much earlier. idk anything about your ability, but at least 80k right after graduation is pretty standard for a soft dev, and grows pretty fast (though is dependent on your location). couple this with the insane loans from med school, it'll be some time before med starts paying better. and ofc you will have a higher ceiling with cs, though clearly not nearly as much job security

and cs gives you a much more general skillset of analytical and mathematical skills, so you could take that and go into finance, eng, etc. hell pretty sure any employer would be happy with a cs major. med school on the other hand is a more vocational path, much less opportunities in case you wanted to do something different.

Can you handle:

1) Arrogant faggots in medical school in beyond
2) Ungrateful patients
3) Fat patients who want you to lower their blood pressure instead of exercising
4) Patients who smoke 2 packs a day and want medical help
5) Hospital red tape
6) Ridiculous amount of studying
7) Loans depending on country

If so, then go be a doctor. The money isn't worth it if you don't like it. It's very rewarding.

i'm still playing cod4 promod since 2010, no otheer games do it for me

>I actually did one semester in Medical School but then dropped out..


Don't go back

depends what country you are in. if you are in the US, then go into medicine cuz there is a ton of money in this shit with pharm and industry and shit. if you're in any other country then fuck no dont go into medicine. they graduate too many physicians and it is too hard to make it, plus no fucking profit. that being said, you need to be a dermatologist; plastic, neuro, ortho surgeon; urologist or shit like that. you need to be a specialist to make bank.

the US healthcare system may be shit, but you can make good money in this stupid fucking system that is easy to scam if you are a specialist.

or just go into CS and fork bitcoin and make fucking bank off normie faggots

I'm working on a CS masters, I suggest going for medicine.

What's your education background? If you haven't completed your undergrad I suggest hedging your bets by going for a CS undergrad. I don't know what classes you need for med school but you should have enough electives to be able to cover everything. CS will automatically include calc and stats, and you should be able to fit in biology/anatomy classes you need.

Then if med school doesn't pan out you can just get a CS job, or go to grad school for CS. Also, if you find out you hate CS in your undergrad it's not a big deal to change to biology or chemistry or whatever.

Agree with this. Take premed reqs with CS degree. You go over all the same science shit again your first year of med school anyway. you don't need any of that shit for medicine unless you wanna be a md/phd faggot

there are arrogant faggots in every field. there are a few autists in every medical school as well. and no one really gives a fuck about patients after a couple years out of school. shit, residency will ruin that for you. there are a lot of fat fucks who want a pill for everything though, maybe be a bariatric surgeon in the US and you'll never be short of work.

Doctors earn more on average and, if you specialize in the right field, it can be a lot of easy money.

I.e.: facial surgeons for trans people can easily make 5k a day. much more if they're famous like Spiegel and start overcharging.

In the other hand CS, in the right fields, it's VERY competitive, and you're competing against real geniuses who've given their life to computers, but it also gives you the freedom to sprout businesses like an alien queen puts eggs.

Both are hard as fuck, tho. Be prepared to work hard if you want to get anywhere.

>pro-tip: Medical IT is a field seriously underexploited that yields HUGE benefits. Every european NHS is literally pouring millions on any person who can make better diagnostic programs, database management, and basically save more lifes for less money.

>indeed, that's one of my personal goals/bets.

Pic related. Make it your motto for the upcoming decade.

its super competetive to get into a US allopathic school. those that cant cut it then either go to become a DO or go to school in the carribean. or another country. you will never be in a competitive field being a forgein medical faggot but there are fucktons of these pajeets in medicine as family docs, hospitalists, neurologists, shrinks. there are too many hospitals and sick people in the US. there are a lot of retarded fucking pajeet doctors out there living the american dream. if you are in europe then kill yourself

cs is cancer don't do it, literally regret going into CS every single day. I was "fascinated" by it too at one point lmao

If you're good and get into trans surgery, you'll make millions no matter where you come from.

Look at those brazilian surgeons and thai surgeons. Many of them are starting to open their own clinics in Europe.

OP I've been fascinated by computers since an early age too and made a career out of it so let me be blunt:

I fucking hate it. I turned my hobby into my job. I've worked in both corporate IT and for a private IT outfit.

People don't listen to a fucking thing you tell them.
They never write down their goddamn passwords and expect you to be able to wave a magic wand and restore access to their email, or facebook account, or Quickbooks data file, etc.
Every one of the pricks thinks THEIR (usually self imposed) problems need to be fixed before everyone elses.
Whether you're in a corporate IT department or a private IT firm, everyone fights you on costs. They have this asinine belief that IT labor and/or infrastructure is cheap. "You only spent 45 minutes on this why is it $75?" or "I want to implement wifi throughout a 10,000 sq ft factory environment but I don't want to spend more than $300".
Whether private or corporate, you operate on everyone else's schedule. People will call you at 5 AM or 11 PM at night, they don't give a fuck.

It is one of the most thankless careers I can imagine.

I got out of it for a couple years and ran a different business which unfortunately failed so I begrudgingly migrated back into IT because it's what I know. But believe me, I'm ALWAYS looking for an out.

that might be only today's hype

I would never invest my money and time into something so volatile

BF1

>the squirrel returns to his home after a poor harvest
Feels bad man.

>"I want to implement wifi throughout a 10,000 sq ft factory environment but I don't want to spend more than $300".

AHAHAHA OH MY GOD THAT'S GLORIOUS

It is Friday. Everyone is drinking beer. Some doctor is performing surgeries. Everyone with a unique skill set is busy.

>Ageism doesn't exist in medicine
That's because for every person who becomes a doctor, there are many, many more who don't make it. Residency programs are designed to be competitive enough to artificially cap the supply of candidates.

>Too many idiots joining cs diluting its earnings potential
This may be true but I don't foresee the influx of idiots outpacing the demand in the industry. Most of them don't last a month at a job anyway before being let go

This post is basically the antithesis of

kek "medical IT"
that is a fucking oxymoron. the healthcare field is so fucking backwards and resistant to technology and change its absurd. you will be working with ancient software and and spend your day helping MDs put outlook on their smartphone

if you think medical IT is a field with future growth then you literally are a retarded pajeet faggot

No one should ever do IT. And IT =/= Computer Science. There are a lot of fields you can branch out to with CS.

I know of girls paying 40.000€ for a surgery. Those surgeries are done in just a couple hours.

-Typicial SRS for a trans man is about 40k (And todays techniques are crap so there's room for improvement). For a trans women it's about 20-25k if they want a quality job.

-Quality FFS done in a couple hours doesn't go below 20k.

Why those prices? Not many surgeons doing them.

And the number of trans will only rise with population and more permissive LGBT societies.

Worth a though, user.

if you do make it as a surgical specialist, you will get laid a lot more depsite autistic tendencies. you will spend a lot of time with nurses and some of them are whores. i fucked a nurse in her ass one week after her wedding.

Better then, a well prepared team with clear goals and the right contacts can make gorillions, since it's so difficult most of the competition will abandon before even trying.

Nobody said it had to be easy...

Addendum -

Literally as I was typing this I got an email from a client (I work for a private IT outfit these days). This woman is having a problem with her machine throwing random bluescreens.

For 2 weeks I've been trying to get ahold of the machine to do a diagnostics/possible reload which she insisted I should be able to do in a 2 hour timeframe. Mind you this consists of a 30 mile drive just to pick the damn thing up.

After explaining to her multiple times that I cannot properly assess and resolve her issues in such a restricted timeframe and sending her instructions on how to do a Windows 10 "refresh" because she wouldn't actually give me the computer for the necessary amount of time, she is now asking me to pick it up tonight, on a Friday night, and return it to her Saturday night... as if I have no life of my own.

This is the shit you will deal with every fucking day.

Computers & robots are a fast growing part of medicine. You could still study medicine & be involved with computers. Your job when done school could be overseeing nanobots performing surgeries.

not OP but is an associates degree in CS a good starting point for learning how to independently develop video games?

kek
look how many electronic health record companies there are. probably about as many fucking altcoins. no one is abandoning shit. the culture of hospitals and medicine is ancient. there are major hospitals across the country that still use paper charts and fax orders to the pharmacy for meds. i had a pager as a resident. drug dealers dont even use those anymore.

if you think a nice roadmap and business plan + good contacts is going to make a difference then you are just naive. the last thing that will impact medicine will be the blockchain. you mean payors can easily audit my records and crease scripts to find way to deny payment? no thank you, that makes it easier for insurance companies to take money from doctors and hospitals.

this is why i can't wait to short PTOY

study suicide you fucking nigger, i wouldn't want you on my computer nor prostate

>kek

where are you from?

in Spain things are always goign towards an increased automation, it saves the state money on salaries and sends plebs to the unemployment office, which is a national tradition that has to be observed.

Information systems degree ftw

trumpland

Wtf is "fascinated"? You should get into cs if you're passionate about it and already good at it. School ain't shit. Don't go into stem if you're a normie. It's gonna be a sad existance even if you make it through.

Promotions are more and more feminine every year in my med school.
I wanted to work at the hospital in a speciality when I was a freshman but as years passed I realized I hated working with women and having to play their little games, deal with their unstable moods and way to slow everything with bullshi.

God curses our grandfathers and great grand fathers for letting them in the workplace just to butcher each other in retarded industrial wars.

Can confirm, still work with Windows XP in some places, regulation is a huge barrier to that, especially in Europe.
Typically blockchain in healthcare could be one of the best and most immediate application but you won't see it adopted until at least 20 years and when it will this will be a shitty overpriced trash solution coded by Pajeet because the PM of the commission was friend with the guy owning the company.

>healthcare as a business, with created interests groups and investors

VS

>healthcare as a cost for a nation who desperately needs saving money

I guess where the difference is

Yeah blockchain would be one of the best thing for all health care systems rn in these times

And completely agree

And well jokes on them, by the tie they will be trying to implement blockchain into Health care systems I will be a fucking crypto-billionaire

That's not the type of IT you will deal with as a MSc. This is shit tier, sorry. Masters do high level design and not first level support.

And yes, computer science is not straight IT, but it gives you the ability to work in any kind of IT related field.

Go for CS, no question about it. Just because some sysadmins or whatever say it is shit doesn't make it so. Depends entirely on what you end up doing.

My sister used to have literal 24 hour shifts. Wake up at 7 am and get home at 7 am the next day. Imagine that.

If you are doing it for the money, that is medicine, don't. When you normalize the hours the average doc works vs income - they make about as much as your average teacher (who has the summer off).. think about that user...

bestmedicaldegrees.com/salary-of-doctors/

he said cs not your certificate in figuring out if java v38 is compatible with the latest windows update

fyi: it probably isn`t

OSCP

Also ez to become rich hacking retarded rich kids

that link is shit. i can tell you that all the salaries you find on websites are not accurate when it comes to specialists. Yes pediatrics and neurology make shit, but an orthopedic surgeon in private practice is pulling around a mil a year. more for ortho spine. i think neurosurgeons average 1.5 a year. same with CT surgeons. Cardiologists and GI docs make bank as well. dermatologists have a great lifestyle and can easily make 500K USD doing 40 hours a week.

You need to get MGMA data to have a true idea what people are making. that is also not counting "speaking fees" you get from the industry to give some 20min ppt talk to a bunch of fucktards.

so lesson is that if you are doing it for the money, then go for it but you have to be a specialist. your average primary care doctor isn't making dick.

premed cuck

Do you like machines or do you like programs? If you like physical computers, get a computer engineering degree.