The science is settled, Veeky Forums. Diets don't work

>Putting your body through hell just to not gain the weight back isn't worth losing it in the first place
Except keeping the weight off is literally one of the easiest things you can do. People are just retarded

>replace the word diet with its first definition
>Diets actually lead to weight gain
>the foods you habitually eat lead to weight gain
Well no shit. It's not and has never been about changing what you eat temporarily. If people actually changed their actual diet permanently, like they're supposed to, they'd have no problem. What their problem is, is that they have no concept of restraint and can't control themselves. They are animals in an environment with an overabundance of easily accessed food and zero willpower.

No, it's not. Ever think that some people can't fucking afford to eat kale and turkey every day?

So basically
>Calories in, calories out
Huh, who knew

Turkey is cheaper than beef...

Just eat less of the shitty stuff then

>Can't afford rice, veggies, oats, lean meat of all types, beans, etc etc
>Better get a pizza and a coke so I don't go broke :^)

>How the fuck do you guys think this is healthy?

1. She's calorie counting.
>basing your food intake on an hugely abstracted measure of "energy intake" while the actual practice of calorimetry is imprecise and fails to differentiate the different metabolism in ratio-regimes of macros

2. She's doing gay cardio shit because it makes her FEEL like she's actually "exercising". Instead of doing typical weight-lifting.

> What their problem is, is that they have no concept of restraint and can't control themselves. They are animals in an environment with an overabundance of easily accessed food and zero willpower.

Well the problem is that "mainstream' diets are a killer on the "enough is enough' signal. Let's construct a simplistic model.

Amerifat eats ----> Leptin is supposed to signal "full" ----> Amerifat has eaten shitty carbs ----> Leptin is being blocked by triglycerides synthesized from said carbs -- Amerifat eats until they're stretching stomach walls, not when leptin is supposed to signal "full"

It's not about "willpower", it's about an entire society of food consumption geared around eating shit that prevents you from feeling full.

>Ever think that some people can't fucking afford to eat kale and turkey every day?

Eggs and bacon. You literally cannot get fat from eating those. Leptin works far before your stomach is stretched, There are exceptions but for most people, it's impossible to get fat.

You hear that Veeky Forums?
When people aren't disciplined enough to consistently eat at a caloric deficit and/or exercise regularly, they gain weight.

Who would've thought?

>fat and fit
The term fit isn't really a good word for that. When people use the "fit" they're mostly referring to athletic ability. I don't think Boogie is going to be running any 5ks anytime soon, even if he survives he surgery.
Also, "fat" is a very broad term when used to describe someone. That could mean 30% bf or 60% bf. Morbidly obese has never and will never be healthy. Someone with a little chub however can still technically be healthy, i.e. No diabetes, heart condition, joint problems etc. but that's a thin line.

>Eggs and bacon. You literally cannot get fat from eating those.
Lad I think you under estimate how many eggs I can eat...

If I had to choose between a whole pizza for $5 from Little Caesars and an expensive salad or expensive quinoa and tofu, it's impossible not to go for the fucking pizza, especially after a long day at work. GET REAL.

>Eggs and bacon.
True that. I have a tough time eating more that 4 or 5 eggs in a sitting. It's like 300kcals

CONT.
>You hear that Veeky Forums?
>When people aren't disciplined enough to consistently eat at a caloric deficit and/or exercise regularly, they gain weight.
>Who would've thought?

It's not about "discipline". A disaster affecting a majority of the population is more epidemiological than moral.

We have a shitty food culture and 99.99% of nutritionists should be fired. Unless they have a biochemistry degree or specialization.

If you're on a ketogenic diet, you get full far faster. Fats and protein taste divine and starches taste bland. And when leptin starts kicking in, it's agony trying to eat another bite. Even though your stomach still has room.

Make the salad yourself and have enough for days you lazy fat fuck, no wonder you're a lardass only a mother could love.

The problem is the trashy vision of what "healthy" foods look like.

Chicks want to hear "feel good" terms and words that sound fashionable.

Trying to sell a simple diet that works undermines the fact that they've chosen them based on a fashion of thought, not an analysis of results.

Which is why I always say "eggs and bacon". Because it communicates that food that is traditionally demonized, in the context of diets, is literally better than 99% of what is considered a diet.

>Chicks want to hear "feel good" terms and words that sound fashionable.
>Trying to sell a simple diet that works undermines the fact that they've chosen them based on a fashion of thought, not an analysis of results.
There's a reason that men are rarely marketed to.

"For instance, eating fast food once a week has been linked to high blood pressure, especially for teens. And eating fruits and vegetables every day is associated with lower risk of heart disease. But it’s a mistake to simply assume weight is the mechanism linking food and disease. We have yet to fully untangle the relationship."

Is this person even trying to hide their denial here or what's going on

Rice, oats and vegetables are cheap as fuck you fat mong

>I'm fat and I make excuses why I'm fat
W E W L A D
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The author was exactly what we thought she was.

see you at the Heart Attack Grill you fatties!

>Is this person even trying to hide their denial here or what's going on

The writer is a chick. Anything that suggests a hint of self-responsibility threatens the fact that their entire corpus of words, thoughts, and action are oriented around receiving male attention.

Not only that but for other chicks to validate her, she must validate them.

Fucking female social algorithims reeeeeeeeeeeee

>How the fuck do you guys think this is healthy? Putting your body through hell just to not gain the weight back isn't worth losing it in the first place.

How is overeating and not excising healthy?

(((Every fucking time.)))

you should listen to your body user, it wants three large pizzas with a large sundae and exercising makes your calves burn and gets your heart rate up which is dangerous

(((Brown)))?

>It's not about "willpower", it's about an entire society of food consumption geared around eating shit that prevents you from feeling full.

Except I live in this society and yet I am not fat. It is because they have no willpower. Not saying you don't have a valid point as far as biology is concerned. The people who get fat are uneducated and don't have the will to not eat the shit that makes them the way they are.

I looked up the obesity paradox and there are a few links on wikipedia where it seemed to result from poor experimentation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_paradoxhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_paradox

The article seems to boil down to: there are cases where being skinny isn't good and crash diets are bad. Bmi is not completely accurate and some people that are labeled obese lead healthier lives than people with low bmi. Therefore, science says I can be as much of a whale as I want and I am just as healthy as fitness models.

It's because some people were born to be fat, some weren't.

People that start eating three burgers after doing three days of eating salad gain their weight again. More news at ten.

pls be kidding

External locus of control vs internal locus of control

Anyone who claims "I do x because society/culture/media" is just a person who cant take responsibility for their own actions

>Therefore, every person who loses weight finds it extremely difficult.

I fucking hate articles like these. Clearly Debbie still has a fetish for food so it is always in the front of her mind.

Its amazing to see what fatties say in their "safe spaces" vs what they say in public

hahaha fat people are funny right? Fuck. Off.

what none of you on this forum realize is that SOME BODIES FIGHT TO BE THE WEIGHT THEY WERE BORN TO BE. it doesnt matter if I eat 300 calories a day or 3000, and walk two miles every morning, I don't lose weight. It's just not how my body fucking works.

That's not too bad.

>it doesnt matter if I eat 300 calories a day or 3000, and walk two miles every morning, I don't lose weight. It's just not how my body fucking works.

I wonder what caused this gene to spread so quickly. In just 100 years we go from virtually no obesity to tons of it.

> yet I am not fat.

Of course but you could also be on the upper half of people with a better functioning satiety signal.

> It is because they have no willpower.

Of course but willpower is buttressed by factors which are only, after the fact, construed as being part of a conscious willpower.

I have a little bit of will when not on keto. On keto, I have all the will in the world. Because I'm not fighting against impulses and the impulses I have work with my goals.

> The people who get fat are uneducated and don't have the will to not eat the shit that makes them the way they are.

True. But at the same time, government propaganda has literally promoted disasters of diets for almost a half-century. Not only that but the usage of "calories" as a false measurement that leads to a false "literacy" of the effects of food.

100 calories of sugar is different from 100 calories of oil which is different from 100 calories protein. Before taking into account the imprecise measurements of calorimetry.
>People that start eating three burgers after doing three days of eating salad gain their weight again.

Burgers, unironically, are alright if you take out the buns.

...

Youre literally a stupid fatass. Learn how to count, and actually exercise.

>Eggs and Bacon
Please tell me you mean the egg whites right? While eggs stimulate some good cholesterol production, don't they have a shit ton of bad cholesterol.

mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/expert-answers/cholesterol/faq-20058468

This link says it has over 186mg and the daily recommended amount is 300mg. I can understand one + some bacon but two a day already goes over the daily recommended amount.

I unironically blame the Jews

Eating cholesterol helps get rid of cholesterol. Higher levels of cholesterol are associated with a longer lifespan.

That's why I say 99.99% of nutritionists should be fired. Because what's been considered "bad" and "good" has been mostly a crock of shit for the past half-century.

Taking statins, to reduce cholesterol levels, has a far more negative effect on your mortality.

I'm Jewish and I often think that other Jews aren't human. Like I was adopted by creepy scheming aliens.

I do both.

>implying it's even possible to count calories, let alone for some random hoe

No, you fuck off, fatso. I used to stuff my face with garbage food and was a fatty as a result. Decided to quit making excuses and lost 75 lbs, I definitely know how the minds of you fat fuckwarts work. YOU are no different, you and all the other tumblr cunts who sit around bitching about how "BRIAN CAN EAT ALL HE WANTS WITHOUT GETTING FAT BUT IF I EVEN THINK ABOUT CAKE I GAIN WEIGHT FUCKING METABOLISM AMIRITE XDD"
Your metabolism is trash because you're trash who eats trash. Fix your shit, or shut the fuck up.

>one example = proof
god this is retarded

Read the sticky

>Calories in, calories out
this is one of the most stupid widespread memes, with no backing in science whatsoever

maybe not eat the whole thing then, fatass

Welp, I will be damned. Really thought that eating less food would result in losing weight. I guess you really do learn something new every day.

>$61 billion diet industry
now that i just dont believe. Ive never heard shit about any short of "diet industry" except from these stupid HAES bloggers, and theyre trying to claim its bigger than the porn industry, videogame industry, and almost as big as the lottery industry. I call bullshit

it's basic conservation of energy

Well I'm glad it's impossible for me to lose weight, I might turn out bitter and grumpy like you ;)

>Rice
Arsenic (bladder cancer) and diabetes. You're essentially eating cancerous candy.

>Of course but you could also be on the upper half of people with a better functioning satiety signal.

Truthfully, I used to be 185lbs at 24% body fat at 5'8" before I got into fitness and health. I fasted once fairly recently for three days to feel what actual hunger feels like. Now on a normal day of eating, I have my three meals of 800ish calories each. I never feel hungry when I eat and I never feel full when I finish. If I lack a schedule then I just don't eat. If feel that if people actually discovered what hunger feels like they'd be far better off.
>stomach feels hollow and achy
Drink water and it'll go away.
>Sluggish thought process, weakness in legs, lethargy.
Eat some food. When I'm actually hungry it has absolutely zero to do with how my stomach feels. Yeah, perhaps it's different for everyone. But typically when I have that "low blood sugar" feeling it's due to my low electrolytes, not food.

Finally someone has the courage to say it

I am 400lbs and have been on a diet for 4 years. 4 fucking years.

I was 402lbs when I started. So a diet has helped me lose 2lbs.

The issue is simple. Diets present you with a list of food that you are allowed to eat. For example my diet list contains 76 different types of food. However because food prices and availability change I am FORCED to change things from my list which then causes me to further alter my diet. For example when I started I had Coconut Milk on my list of foods, but this started to get expensive so I had to switch to something equally rich and sweet and I could only think of chocolate sauce. But this meant that I couldn't have thai curry because chocolate sauce doesn't work so I replaced my healthy Thai curry with chocolate sandwiches which stopped me losing weight.

Diets are simply too restrictive. I have lost 15lbs from my 415lb peak from going for 2 walks a day for 7 months and eating whatever I want in the meantime. Diets are literal shit. Our ancestors ate what they found, they didn't worry about calories like we do.

>Putting your body through hell
>50 minute workout video
>hell

i bet you hate the military too, huh? fucking fascist pigs amiright?

exactly.

normie "fitness"

this might be the only topic vegans, meat eaters, paleo people and keto idiots all disagree on.

I thought this was real until I read chocolate sauce. 10/10, bravo

Just because you say you're on a diet doesn't mean you're eating at a caloric deficit.
>fucking chocolate sandwiches
This is what makes me think this is b& but I'll bite.
You created a caloric deficit by exercising.
It's all about the deficit.

>with no backing in science whatsoever

Except basic physics

Yeah, you know what, I'm glad it's impossible for you to find the mindset to lose weight too. Enjoy your shitty health and not living past 50.

>t. retard who can't even count calories right

You can't out exercise a bad diet. They should simply learn how to cook for themselves. Rice, oats, chicken or fish, lots of veg. Veg is super filling and very low calorie. Stir fry (using a non-stick zero calorie spray instead of oil) saved my life. Super easy to make super tasty food. Just learn to navigate spice synergy.

Doesn't matter anyway, you shouldn't be eating fucking rice if you're trying to lose weight. Rice was popularized literally because of how much energy it has needed to sustain hard working farmers in growing civilizations. Modern humans, being fat fuck, should not be eating foods whose primary virtue is high energy content (all grain staples).

>Rice causes cancer
>It's only a staple eaten by the people with the highest life expectancy in the world
>I'll have a pizza instead!

it isn't basic physics, it's basic biology, besides I love how people talk about basic physics, having completely no idea about it. do you really think there's some linear dependency between the caloric intake and the fat stored? It's a part of complex biochemical processes, involving hormones and no respectable scientist ever tried to make such oversimplification. It's only spewed by simpletons on the internet, besides conservation of energy only applies to closed systems, which the human body isn't.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/

>he science is settled,

A cup of rice is 150cal. There is nothing wrong at all with having it as a side with some veg.

rice leads to small penis

>besides conservation of energy only applies to closed systems, which the human body isn't.

WTF I love converting sunlight to energy now

why do people make fake posts i just dont understand humanity tfw tism

I should have realised

who the fuck keeps making these troll threads lol? I think it's fat fucks who are jealous of people who lose weight and get ripped through Veeky Forums?

>You can't out exercise a bad diet.
No, but you can use DNP to nuke it

>the human body isn't a closed system

Yeah it's 150 calories and nothing else. It's literally pure energy, and it's not doing much for keeping you full either, so what's the fucking point. That's exactly the mentality that causes people to gain weight, because, instead of eating foods that will actually make them full and have low calories, they try to budget all the garbage food into some tiny amount of calories and inevitably feel hungry for the rest of the day.

The best thing about their constant bitching about the diet industry is pepsico has roughly equivalent yearly revenue (actually 62.7 bil in 2016)

One fucking company making junk food makes as much as the entire big bad diet industry, yet it is the diet industry who has the power to bend media and scientific studies to its will.

They are fucking delusional.

You can introduce new matter to a closed system. You can gain muscle, lose fat and not just move it somewhere else

>tfw my sides
they're gone

satire, senpai

if you have completely no idea what some basic term you try to use means, I recommend at least googling it next time.
bluffton.edu/homepages/facstaff/bergerd/nsc_111/thermo2.html
you also seem to assume that all excess energy can only turn straight into fat, which is even more stupid:
academic.oup.com/qjmed/article-abstract/1/2/331/1540275/THE-TREATMENT-OF-OBESITY-A-COMPARISON-OF-THE?redirectedFrom=PDF
>Food in excess of immediate requirements…can easily be disposed of, being burnt up and dissipated as heat. Did this capacity not exist, obesity would be almost universal.

republicrooks BTFO

shareblue.com/i-survived-the-devastating-illness-that-trumps-body-policing-perpetuates/
huffingtonpost.com/entry/healthy-obese-still-face-higher-heart-disease-risk_us_58d56676e4b03787d3583e29?utm_hp_ref=diet-and-nutrition
crooksandliars.com/2015/04/wi-republican-proposes-jim-crow-diet-poor
crooksandliars.com/cltv/2012/11/foxs-andrea-tantaros-jokes-about
salon.com/2017/01/01/resolved-a-no-diet-new-year-starts-now/
salon.com/2016/01/10/sorry_but_youre_not_going_to_lose_weight_this_year/
salon.com/2015/10/02/good_news_for_dad_bods_and_curvy_girls_youre_getting_more_sex_than_anyone/
salon.com/2014/02/25/how_playing_tetris_could_help_you_lose_weight_partner/
salon.com/2013/07/25/i_choose_to_be_fat/
slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2014/03/dear_prudence_my_boyfriend_pushes_me_to_lose_weight_but_i_m_not_obese.html
slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/11/from_obese_to_chubby_how_i_lost_the_weight_and_why_you_shouldn_t_admire.html

It doesn't matter whether it's a closed system or not in this example. Point is that the body needs energy through food. A person can't reasonably claim that eating less doesn't work without claiming that energy is being created out of nothing. Which is were the conservation of energy makes sense.

>you also seem to assume that all excess energy can only turn straight into fat

Yes, please continue telling me what I believe.

>Fad diets don't work
Who could have known?
>Fat people aren't unhealthy
Why so few old fat people then?

>shareblue
>huffingtonpost
>salon