IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET 2/3/4/5 WITHOUT ROIDS??

Yes.

Thx, anyways at 90-95 kg u should be able to 2/3,5/5/6 at least if u actually lift to get strong and not only to look like a beach ready twat.

>OHP 3 plates
>Bench 5 plates

Wew lad.

it was clearly 3.5 plates

I have never seen a white natty who isn't fat as fuck OHP 2pl8.

I just hit 4/3/2/1 natty. I'm at 200 lbs. Is the only way to achieve 5/4/3/2 to get fat and perma bulk?

Depends on genetics really.

5pl8 dl is easily achievable (I have a 6plate deadlift natty lean)
4pl8 squat is the same, I'm close and have no doubt I'll get it soon.
3pl8 bench is getting into the realms of leverages and genetics playing a large part in whether you can get it natty and lean.
2pl8 OHP is only for the 1% of genetically superior outliers.

I started the gym at 14 and made it to 2/3/4/5 at 16 natty

You can do it if you dont have shit genetics

No you didn't.
Please stop telling fibs.

I'm not lying, I was going to the gym for 4 hours a day and eating a shit ton of protein.

Please stop fibbing.

i'd say two years of training would get you everything but the OHP. OHP is one of the toughest to progress and can take a while. If you follow a powerlifting style routine that compounds the issue by a lack of frequency. So don't neglect accessory movements even if you feel like shit.

Have you achieved those stats, aside from the OHP?

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>I don't think its possible to get there while lean and natty for 9/10 people.

Oh yeah? See you in a decade faggot

currently sitting slightly above those with 195/335/480/585 after probably 10 years on and off training

I've had better lifts before in college, after about 3 years I was 205/3.25/5/6, but I've had multiple surgeries since then and am turning 32. Might be time to hop on TRT if i want to beat my old PRs, but I've just been maintaining and doing other things like circuit training and not pushing the lifts so hard.

youtube.com/watch?v=Sw3r2lytys8

damn matt ogus is natty as fuck

Kek, yeah sure if you're a woman
>not getting at least 6/10/16/20 after 3 months of ss and GOMAD
never gonna make it

Tell me more about these bracelets and rings of power.

it's entirely possible

but man, that one extra plate takes SUCH a long time compared to 1/2/3/4

The point of 1/2/3/4 is the ratio between the lifts..
2/3/4/5 makes no sence.. it should be 2/4/6/8 if anything but thats hardly possible for anybody

>1/2/3/4 at 200lbs

Congratulations on achieving intermediate on symmetric strength.

Yeah I can confirm 2.5/4/5/6 is def possible natty. I weigh between 195 and 215 pounds lifting for 8 years.

Takes a really serious regiment with a lot of food water and rest to progress. I was stuck at 3plate bench for 2 years cause i didnt want to eat a lot.

After you hit your strength goals like once a week for a month you can cut down on food, drop a ton of weight, and you maintain the strength.

I'm not memeing. dyel?

sit down shoulder press machines are bullshit they impinged my shoulder.

Isn't OP a lat pull-down machine?

2/4/6/8 is not the same ratio as 1/2/3/4, you're forgetting the bar.

If you can do it for reps you're advanced

>2pl8 ohp

Do you guys have adamantium shoulder joints and elbows? Because I swear I can feel my bones grinding at 90

Not him.

You can, but it is FAR from easy and for most natural lifters pretty much the upper limit.

For a healthy male, 220kg squat isn't the maximal attainable strength.

2pl8 OHP by far the hardest, should be more like 2/3.5/5/6 imo

Could be accurate.
My max OHP is 92.5kg and my max DL is 6pl8.
Squat is nowhere near 5 tho.

But user, that's not what he said. For reps is retarded and arbitrary anyway. A 225 3rm will give about the same score as a 225 1rm on symmetric strength, but a 10rm is wildly different. Nobody knows what you dyels mean when you say "for reps".

this might explain my problem