How close Japan really is to China culturally?

K-kek?

Obviously you don't know what "小中華"(Little China) means. Japanese literally invented a whole set of theory to claim they're the "real China", they only stopped claiming that after Meiji Restoration.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaga_Sokō
britannica.com/biography/Yamaga-Soko

Vietnam also used to claimed they're "The China(Central State中國)" to other SEA countries.

This is ironic given even most Han Chinese are ethnically more genetically mongrelized then Yamato Nips ever were or would be.

Thanks, I'll read it.

Wewuzing pervades humanity it seems...

Well, are Japan and China not separate nations, Kim-gook-san?

All Japanese “traditional” culture is literally Chinese. Their modern culture is disgusting American popshit. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Technically incorrect. But considering “Chinese” encompasses a huge group of diverse people the same way “Roman” did, I’ll let your /pol/tier idiocy slide.

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I said Han Chinese as in the quintessential ethnic Chink.

Nip high culture copy-pasted everything from the Chinese. There's nothing unique or creative about them.

DAS RITE SAMURAI CAME FROM CHINA TOO

Korea also called itself 小中华; it called the Qing barbarians behind their backs and LARPed as the Ming until the Japanes came.

Not exactly. There's a reason why geneticists divide the Han Chinese into "North" and "South" divisions. The southern Han have genetics from other groups but they are uniform on the paternal line which supports the theory that Han men married indigenous women during the imperial expansion. The northern Han had pretty much no change in terms of genetics, having been the same for over 3000 years. Similar to how Koreans are pretty much the same as their ancient counterparts no matter how much people meme about them being subjugated by everyone around them.

>i get my history knowledge from memes

>No. Japanese culture is a shittier, more primitive version of the chinese one. All that nips ever did was react to the chinks.
*Rapes you Nanking
Heh nothing personal Chang.

This. Northern nomads like Mongols never made much of an impact on Chinese genetics at all considering how small their population was in contrast to the tens of millions of Han. It's like saying the Ancient Egyptians got ARAB'D and are now genetic Arabs instead of being descendants of Egyptians. The Mongols did make quite the impact on Central Asia but not around East Asia. Hell, they Mongols reluctant to even marry other steppeniggers like Manchus because Manchu women were too independent and fiesty for them.

>Manchu women were too independent and fiesty for them.

H-hot...

Need me a story about a Mongol warrior getting beat up by his qt Manchu wife and complaining to the emperor about it thanks

Kanbun wasn't really a form of Chinese, it was standard Chinese texts with annotations added to it in the form of chinese characters used to represent their sounds rather than their meaning, forming japanese grammatical words to make the text readable in Japanese. For some crazy fucking reason though, instead of these sound characters evolving in to their own writing system, they kept writing that way even after those sound characters had gradually become simplified to the hiragana that we know today, and Japanese writing is basically Chinese text with Japanese annotation shoved between the Chinese. Highly illogical, especially considering how unfit Chinese characters are for an agglutinative language like Japanese where you inflect the inflections on your inflections to turn a whole sentence worth of communication in to a single word.

The Mongols are mixed as fuck though due to their small population and nomadic lifestyle bringing in a whole shitload of other peoples into their ethnicity. It's weird how they pride themselves on being "pure blooded" 2bh.

The northern and eastern parts of China are relatively homogenous with the exception of Gansu which has more Tibetan,Turco-Mongol and West Eurasian affinity. Southern Han are miscegenated with a more variegated non-Sinitic populations of Tibeto Burman,Tai Kadai,Hmong Mien and possible proto Austronesian affinity.

Either way,the populations the Han assimilated are also largely derived from neolithic East Asian farmers not some basal East Asian outlier like the Jomon.

Ding dong you are wrong.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Of course not. He's parroting /pol/ memes.

t. chang mao-ling

>DAS RITE SAMURAI CAME FROM CHINA TOO
Nah, Japan can have that.

Only an idiotic civil government can manage to lose control of the military.

>Only an idiotic civil government can manage to lose control of the military.
Yeah, at no point in history did China fracture into a multitude of states ruled by warlords

>tfw no strong independent Manchu gf who don't need no emperor

why even live bros

>Meme warlordism happens between dynastic changes
>Manages to get warlords back under civil government in a few decades and under a century or so except for the really bad moments such as the Nanbeichao (400-600s) and the 5 Dynasties & 10 Kingdoms.
>Civil government always up top.

Meanwhile in Japan
>The Imperial Court gets absolutely fucking cucked from 900s-1800s by a succession of military governments.
>The Shoguns rule as mere hegemons with Feudal Lords being actually powerful all that time.

>gets invaded by foreigners again and again
>occasional rebellions kill millions of people and ravage the country
I'll take feudalism over that, thanks

>japanese were a ricemix

I hear a lot of stories talking about the fierceness of Manchu women and how they scared away their Han Chinese and Mongol husbands. They didn’t bind their feet and held quite a considerable of power in their households. Just contrast this to Mongol women who are expected to be submissive and get beaten and raped all the time. This continues on today with Mongolia only criminalising domestic violence last year. It’s still the norm to beat your wife though.

>Look at him. He is thinking it. "How easy it would be," he thinks, "to paint myself blue and murder Douglas on my way to work tomorrow."

>be manchu woman
>rape your mongol husband

CIXI'D

>Be Jap Peasant.
>Not only are you cucked by a ruling class at every possible way (they even are above the law from you) but said ruling class lights your province on fire in feudal wars.

You get the same shit, except in shittier circumstances.

Ive heard that the earliest Kanbun was very much Japanese written in Chinese characters without annotations.

>How close Japan really is to China culturally?
Same cultural sphere, but very different culturally. Everything from crime, cuisine, cleanliness, crime, traffic etiquette, volume level, social etiquette, views on lying, etc. Great Zhongguo traditions including public-shitting, spitting everywhere, eating anything that moves or exists, obligatory cheating, etc are visibly absent in Japan. Chinese people are Indian-tier.

I know this is Veeky Forums but mainland China today is mostly culturally bankrupt ala "Cultural Revolution".

There are a fuckload of traditions / festivals that have been systematically forgotten starting from Generation X / Generation Y.

There are some fucking mainland chinks that don't even know how to hold chopsticks correctly.

You can still see some of the old stuff in HK / Taiwan, and chinese dominant SEA countries. Maybe even Canada & America, but I am not a burger so dunno.

Never happened, stop spreading lies.

>How close UK really is to France culturally?
> UK was obviously very influenced by the Norman conquest, but also evolved completely different. I have the feeling English people see France like a foreign country, like China or Japan.

Yeah, maybe in the 2nd century

Go home Finnegan, you're drunk

和pedia. hepedia. kek

Guys do I belong in Veeky Forums if I just want to troll this thread with my Chinese?
I rate myself weeaboo/10

>I know this is Veeky Forums
You know this is Veeky Forums but yet you still post such /pol/tier retarded bullshit...... that's really no surprise actually.

"Cultural Revolution" was long time ago and it's a "failure" desu. Have you even being to mainland China lately?Or even speak to anyone from there? I have many times since I'm Taiwan Chinese (not separatist).

>There are a fuckload of traditions / festivals that have been systematically forgotten starting from Generation X / Generation Y.
>There are some fucking mainland chinks that don't even know how to hold chopsticks correctly.
Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you see from /pol/ or Veeky Forums? But nowadays even prominent MSM can't be trusted, so I can't really blame you...

It's still more trustworthy than Veeky Forums, frankly speaking.

>Mongolia only criminalising domestic violence last year
I don't believe you. You didn't cite it. Let me Google it for you and prove you wrong because we're all faggots here.
loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/mongolia-domestic-violence-made-a-criminal-offense/
See? They had laws against it since 2004, but they took a page out of America's playbook and decided it wouldn't be a real law until last year. Good job Mongolia!

性! 最热!

Curious to hear why you think so poorly of China. I went to Shanghai for about 10 days. It was pretty comfy.
>public-shitting, spitting everywhere, obligatory cheating
I didn't see any of this. Closest I saw to any of this was obligatory cheating. My host Chinese person was a woman who seduced me even though I told her I didn't want to.
>eating anything that moves or exists
I ate 螺蛳粉 (luosifen, basically noodles made with snail stock) and that shit was cash. So like, you might be right about this one, but, literally everything I ate was god damn fantastic and memorable. So even if you are right, I fail to see how this is a bad thing. Also, all the food I ate was real shit, not Americanized trash. I honestly didn't know what I was eating about 80% of the time.

So, all that said, I've read shit like pic related, and I am totally aware the Chinese culture has it's shortcomings, but every culture everywhere does.

No. France and the UK are actually very close nations. The English language is obviously full of French words. The two influenced each other constantly through their rivaliry, cultural exchanges. When the French Revolution started, they wanted to imitate the British government. Compare how many wars happened between France and England with those between China and Japan. Japan was never that close to China, really.

>No. France and the UK are actually very close nations. The English language is obviously full of French words.
same goes for japan and china. japs have chink words and their alphabet is mostly chink

Basically China was sort of like the Rome of the east, and Korea and Japan are like germans who accepted Roman culture

Explain to me why 99% of the videos I see in gore/rekt threads are from china. Never seen one from japan.

Korea is Ireland. Japan is Anglos.

This explains everything.

The fuck are you going on about? Chinks were largely breeding with other East Asians. Nips literally have DNA from proto-East Asian peoples and fucking Denisovans.

>the absolute state of Veeky Forums

This. Ironically, it's the Koreans who are the least mongrelised.

I am actually chinese you moron, and I actually hangout with mainlanders and have dated a mainland girl and have been to China.

Malaysian chinese for what it's worth.

>Curious to hear why you think so poorly of China. I went to Shanghai for about 10 days. It was pretty comfy.
You went to one of the most prosperous cities in China for about ten days. If you were with a host family it's easy to see why you didn't get an authentic Chinese experience.
>I didn't see any of this.
Chinese are notorious for public-shitting, spitting on the ground, and cheating. How could you not know this? 吐痰運動 (spitting) is common across all age groups of Han Chinese, there are even public health campaigns to try and stop it. When foreign places put up NO SHITTING signs, they're always in Chinese, for instance, the Louvre had to put one up to deal with Chinese people, Chinese are a bit worse than Indians. Chinese have major cultural issues, and not run-of-the-mill but some of the worst in lack of compassion and empathy, lack of hygiene, pollution, cuisine, treatment of animals, etc.
theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/03/how-sophisticated-test-scams-from-china-are-making-their-way-into-the-us/474474/
nytimes.com/2017/10/13/world/asia/china-science-fraud-scandals.html
world.time.com/2013/12/04/china-is-cheating-the-world-student-rankings-system/
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10132391/Riot-after-Chinese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating.html
>I ate 螺蛳粉
Nice, but try 童子蛋, 香肉, 雞子, 牛鞭, 地沟油, 熊貓 茶, you would like these even more.
>nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/chinese-students-western-campuses-china-influence.html
Are you a 五毛? Or a student being watched? Probably not, but these are real issues and there are some of those people here.
>pic related
You know what's funny? I was in that thread and I agreed with everything they said.
>Chinese culture has it's shortcomings, but every culture everywhere does
Some cultures have more shortcomings than others, Han Chinese culture especially.

We have no idea where the Japanese people come from and their genetics are confusing as fuck. Their language even seems to be related to something Southeast Asian but the grammar resembles Korean.

>Some cultures have more shortcomings than others, Han Chinese culture especially.

This ain't han chinese culture, this is largely mainlanders specifically because they are literally hicks that moved into the city not long ago.
Think about it, if you used to live on a farm and you're 20 minutes away from the farmhouse, and theres no one around you'll be shitting behind a tree too.
If you've grown up knowing the shame of open shitting, you'll rather shit your pants and try to hurry it back home.

Having said that the public defecation seems to be over blown in china...I mean yeah it occurs alot but it's like 2% of the population? Quite a bit for a superpower, but alot of this is probably out in bumfuck no where.

The spitting is more common everywhere because of the belief that "phlegm" is bad for you, it's better out than in, and combined with the air quality in major cities....just shit. They should fucking market nasal irrigators instead. Alot of non-mainland chinese do this too but not in a fucking shopping centre on the floor.

The screencap about chinese business practices is true as fuck. But It's a bit skewed. Like you essentially get what you pay for most of the time, they usually do things to spec, and don't go the extra mile if you don't specify what you really need even if they know it's not what you need. They will fuck you however they can though.

>Friend bought furniture for resale
>Says assembly required
>when it gets here, literally pieces of unsanded wood, and no varnish put on because "that's part of assembly"
>Friend was a mainlander as well, just living in another country

More like England and France

>2% is 25,000,000 million people, that's a lot of public shitting.

Historical events rarely, if never impact genetics significantly as far as I understand. It'd be easy to change a population of say 100, each transposition of genetics represents 1% of the population, but when you talk about hundreds of thousands and even millions of people, to change that would take a long time. Historical events concern mostly the nobles and the cities, tiny fractions of the population.

>I am actually chinese
>I actually hangout with mainlanders and have dated a mainland girl and have been to China.

Really? But you still insist claiming "mainland chinks don't know how to hold chopsticks" and "a fuckload of traditions / festivals that have been systematically forgotten" ??
Then I guess you maybe are lying, over exaggerating, or we're not vising the same mainland China or live in the same dimension. "Malaysian Chinese".

Yes yes anyone don't demonize China or cherrypick negative shits to bash China must all be 五毛, yes? And are you separatists from HK,TW...etc or anti-Chinese shill like many shitposters of Veeky Forums? Probably yes as well?

Btw 香肉 is delicious and nothing wrong with it.

That's the ancestor of hiragana, where you write characters for their sound rather than their meaning, like to write 'yama' the Japanese word for mountain you'd write two Chinese characters that, in Chinese, sound like ya and ma instead of the Chinese character for mountain '山'
And that was used in kanbun to scribble in the margins of Chinese texts and later home grown texts were produced that way on purpose, but I don't think it was called Kanbun if you just wrote by sound writing with Chinese characters. Which did happen, and at some points after the commonly used sound writing characters had become simplified to recognizable hiragana they made texts entirely with that, but it was considered childish or unmanly to write that way because it actually made sense and was easy to use and learn, and so Japan has been hammering the square peg of Chinese characters in to the round hole of their language ever since.

>I have many times since I'm Taiwan Chinese (not separatist).
ask me how I know everything you say is propaganda.
Are you seriously denying the existence of the lost generation? You don't need media to tell you they exist, you can go watch any random video of mainland China and see all these uneducated do nothing middle aged people picking through trash, dressed and acting like slobs, the lowest class kind of people. They're like chinese versions of carl from aqua teen hunger force, but there's a whole generation of them.

This. The rapebaby and mongrel memes are /pol/-tier shit anyway.

>ask me how I know everything you say is propaganda.
I don't have to, since what I said is not propaganda, or you're implying Cultural Revolution is NOT long time ago? Or all mainland chinks don't know how to hold chopsticks?

信不信由你啊鬼佬,這裡應該是有不少真的華人,不管是大陸的、東南亞的或像我這類港澳台之類的,但你呢?難說了。當然我知道華人裡無腦黑無腦噴也是很多的,我在台灣是深有體會的。最歧視華人的通常是華人自己。

>you can go watch any random video of mainland China
Of course, I can see tons of this sort of negative China-bashing vidoes on Veeky Forums, Youtube and all over the internet...etc. But there are also many videos are not like that. Most of all, none of these(including your horseshits) can really fool me since I actually go there many times.

至於隨地吐痰便溺,確實是個問題,但仍然是少數,多數人特別是年輕一輩的不是那個樣子。我也到過香港,香港本地人亂吐痰也不少,特別是茶餐廳裡面,但多數人也不是這個樣子。信不信由你鬼佬。

A Nippon here. Japanese culture is very close to Chinese. We eat white rice and wear kimono, use Chinese character and worship Buddha. But other than these, we are very different from Chinese. Japan has a long warrior tradition and actively hates communism and dictatorship. We also have a long tradition of tentacle porn.

>or you're implying Cultural Revolution is NOT long time ago?
uh yeah, it was in the 60s and 70s. Meaning the people who grew up in it, without any education because the government told them to burn down their schools and report anyone they didn't like as being anti-socialist are now middle aged.
>Of course, I can see tons of this sort of negative China-bashing vidoes on Veeky Forums, Youtube and all over the internet...etc.
>everything that goes against what I want is a shill!
>only my view is correct!
nobody is going to accept what you say, just give up.

And no I'm not Chinese, ethnically or otherwise and I don't understand your moonspeak, but I'm not going to accept what you say over videos presented without comment or a seeming agenda. I'm talking about expat vloggers, not shit like China Uncensored which is obviously actually pushing a negative view of China.

我小時候台灣也有不少隨地吐痰,但現在少非常多,幾乎看不到了,但亂吐檳榔汁、亂扔菸蒂之類的還是有。

至於你美國呢,髒拉巴基隨地便溺的糞坑城區比比皆是,紐約就是最好了例子。亂仍針筒都有。你美國是最沒資格噴別人的。

>no I'm not Chinese
對呀,我知道你不是Chinese,你就是隻胡言亂語含血噴糞的反華賤畜而已,就像這裡大多數人一樣,而且廢話還真多呢。你還真以為你是個咖?你吃屎去吧。

You think people would realize it's actually logistically impossible.

That is the truth, even if you don't like it, you will notice you did not argue against any point I made, you even proved my point about 三六香肉.
>你的奖励0.1元

You're certainly not wrong about America having a litter problem, but not everyone here is American. I'm not.
But even then, litter is more of a city infrastructure problem, it's not unique to any one country.

what a sensible argument, I'm sure lots of people will understand what a reasonable person you are with that.

Chine culture and history are interesting, but the chinks themselves are terrible people. Their stereotypes around here are:

Chinese = liars who try to fool you at every opportunity
Japs = hard working people whom you can usually trust

抱歉,我用的是台幣,台幣現在沒有0.1元。白癡!

>it's a CIDF gets too butthurt to even bother with the broken english episode

我管你他媽看不看得懂,你們成天在這胡言亂語亂罵一通的時候有在乎過?我今天就他媽的用中文懟你們這幫雜碎,你奈我何呢,有本事把我封了嘛 。呵呵。

你們的英文也沒好到哪裡去啊,智障先生。母語講英文都能這麼破,我要是你就去kys了。

pic related; it's you.

Oh, bless your fragile little heart.

Call them wumao, fifty cent party, based of how much they are paid, but some are brainwashed students in the West who need to do this because their government is watching them.

I'm afraid you sound like a terrible people, too. Probably a real terrible people in real life as well, since I can see most terrible bullshits you people spout here in the real western society as well.

Veeky Forums就是这个的样子啦台湾人,你骂一句他们就顶十句。最后他们也不就是住在他们的母亲的地下室的废物

Bless your fragile little heart as well. 滿嘴噴糞誰都會嘛 :^)

>everybody i don't like is from Taiwan

B-But you sound more brainwashed than (((them)))....

That's not even true tho, bruh

What are you on about Achmed? Can deal with the fact that a country full of backward hicks is economically superior to your own little sandhole in the Middle East or Wesrt?

Keep telling yourself that.