Netflix is shilling this documentary. The main point is that meat, milk and eggs are awful for you

My mom beat cancer with chemo, fuck outta here with that

Yeah, meat is causing cancer. It can't possibly be other things like the car exhaust belched all over and everywhere, so much so that some cities have smog alerts.

>We're physiologically herbivores.
We just so happen to be the only physiologically herbivore ape without the ability to digest fiber.

Really makes me think.

small amounts of farm meat are fine

large amounts of factory meat are not fine

>The main point is that meat, milk and eggs are awful for you.

im glad the truth is starting to come out, however some people resist the very clear evidence and so be it. everybody has the right to do with their general health and well being whatever they want to

imo milk products all should be banned immediately, 85% of all humans are allergic to dairy proteins. meat consumption should be hugely reduced

>85% of all humans are allergic to dairy proteins.
>Lactose is a carb
Are you retarded on purpose?

Also: Shitskin detected.

SwoleLeft fuck off you faggots. Go shove avocados up your ass

>the longest, most all encompassing study on human health ever conducted
>conducted by medical doctors
>no -bergs, -steins, or -mans involved
>in fact, just Americans and chinks

And the results were undeniably that meat in excess and dairy in any amount are toxic.

Veganism is a gay political movement full of fucking fags and twinks. Whole Food Plant Based is where it's at. Now that doesn't mean "no meat", just that an overwhelming majority of caloric intake should be from plant matter. You get more micronutrients and all the macros you need from plants.

weird how this doco says meat and dairy gives you cancer but every vegan I know is a cancerous fuck with no life

had the makings of a great documentary but its blatent vegan propaganda.

Any truth was overlooked by the presenter and his surf420 BRO image and the use of the same 2 or 3 people to explain everything. They were asking effectively receptionists intricate questions and pretending like it was a big deal that they couldn't answer their questions and made a hash of it.

2/10

>85% of all humans are allergic to dairy proteins
no human is allergic to dairy protein.
subhumans are.

I prefer my Lactase persistent genes thank you.

I see the ridiculous dairy consumption has blurred your thinking and made you an angry meathead kek

lactose, aka "milk sugar," is a carbohydrate, aka "sugar," yes

i kind of agree, except we should ban ultra-pasteurized factory milk and encourage a market for farm-fresh raw milk

Just read white papers and you''ll never have to read or watch meme news again.

>Shitskin detected
Nah

Only a germanic could come with something like that

They think their opinion matter

im not referring to lactose intolerance, im referring to variety of allergic reactions people show in studies when milk is consumed

I haven't watched it but animal protein, milk, and eggs ARE bad for you.

>herbivore
>can't digest cellulose at all
>canine teeth
Had to warm up the ol' gray matter for this one

>You get more micronutrients
Objectively false.
Micros from plants are rarely digestible, where meat micros are super easy for our bodies to absorb and process.

Here is 191kcals of liver. Show me a single plant, with 191kcals that will get anywhere close to touching this micro density.

>kind of agree, except we should ban ultra-pasteurized factory milk and encourage a market for farm-fresh raw milk

no we should not. you people just dont get this dont you? cow's milk is not a food for humans simple a that.

are you a farmer perhaps and your livinghood is struggling because milk is beoming obsolete. raw cow milk is just a bad does not change anything

Also, vegans are fucking commies who want to liberate animals or some shit. I'm a moderate right nationalist (not NatSoc because socialism can't work unless we homogenize our demographics, but that's a /pol/ level conversation, far below Veeky Forums I hope) so miss me with that Commie shit.

Banning things is stupid because that limits freedoms, which should be next to unlimited. People need to be informed though and these pussy docu-dramas are what makes WFPB look like a joke. That's where the Jewery is, controlling of information, especially cancer rates and studies among the population which is directly linked to diet.

Big dairy and corn are the enemies. And Al Gore. He's a fuck.

They are bad if you want to have low testosterone like a vegecuck

Thank you for the red pill, Mrs Hershlag.

this has nothing to with liberating animals it's about general health. we have serious issues currently in western world compared to for example, japan. starting from obesity epidemic to diabetes and such illnesses. all are result of the diet of the west which is badly scewed. it's a terrible situation a typical 50-year old is on a bunch of unnecessary medications and when they'll get older their health only goes quikly south with the typical meat-dairy diet

but none of those things increase your testosterone, user

>cherry picking one meat source that most Americans won't touch even thought it's delicious

I'll concede that liver is one of the most nutrient dense foods available. However, liver consumption in the States is limited comparatively (can't speak for other countries). An overwhelming majority of meat consumed in the US is either chicken, pork, or beef cuts that are high in fat and protein and low in just about everything else. Fuck, look at what the average /for/ user eats; chicken breast and brown rice et nauseum.

Calcium is much more bio-available from plants than it is from dairy, the most cited "good for you" reason the dairy industry throws around, conveniently leaving out that the acidity in milk and meat strips the calcium from your bones to combat it.

Also humans consume way more B vitamins than are usually necessary, so that's moot

really gets you thingken

I know it's for baby cattle, but I'm also white, so idgaf. think about it this way:

>most children are routinely forced to down an entire glass of pasteurized factory milk at least once daily. the natural microbial population of the milk is compromised, it contains lactose and usually saturated fat, and is generally cheap and disgusting garbage. i haven't drank a glass of milk since my parents stopped forcing me to. bad dairy in excess.

on the other hand,
>the best cheese I've ever eaten is made from raw goat milk on a small farm. the goats are treated very well, roam and graze freely, and generally live better than most humans. this cheese costs $9 a wedge, so I can only afford to put a few thin slices on a sandwich - that's fine because it's flavorful enough. good dairy in moderation.

but wait,
>people everywhere are eating things that other people don't consider "human food": insects, testicles and other offal, parasitic fungi (corn smut is a mexican delicacy), raw fish, shellfish, crustaceans, "weeds" (dandelion greens are amazing), and in some cases literal earth from the ground. it's dumb to think there's "human food" and "non-human food."

>85% of all humans are allergic to dairy proteins
And what if you're not, like the vast majority of people on this board?

I agree with you on everything except terminology. I just think that the term "vegan" has become a cancerous buzzword that instantly brings up mental images of skeltal cucks and commies and in the world we live in, image is everything when trying to make a point, even to strangers on an anonymous Siamese pottery enthusiasts website. I just prefer to say Whole Food Plant Based because I still enjoy meats and even though these Netflix documentaries paint any amount of meat as the enemy, I still enjoy it and the benefits it does bring (B vitamins, micro nutrient metals and a protein boost, plus they're goddamn delicious) so I won't sacrifice that small amount I do eat and therefore my quality of life. Plant Based is just better for me than Plant Only

>NETFLIX is shilling
Nope you are

>>The main point is that meat, milk and eggs are awful for you.
So I gotta eat some bullshit farm raised organic pricey ass meats?

Eating multiple eggs daily is like running a low cycle. Your body thrives on fat, user.

>small amounts of farm meat are fine
Yes, as in it making no more than 5 percent of your diet.

broscience

Or, you know, every legit study done in the last decade.

Any seafood, is nearly the same. Attached is 200kcals of salmon. There is no plant going to touch that.

And you milk point is false, the only people that think that are vegan cucks like gregor. The National Osteoporosis Foundation says you are wrong.

Also: tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2011.10719992

The hypothesis is complete hogwash. Milk calcium is good for you and the most bioavailable dietary calcium.

Deal with it.

Yeah? Link some

Kek

He's allowed to consider himself affiliated with his employer, so what he said was correct

OP here. I really don't know what to believe. I don't eat much milk but I love muh meats and eggs. Do they really cause cancer? This documentary is saying even chicken causes cancer. I watched my girlfriend's uncle die of cancer, it was the worst thing I've ever seen. He also chain-smoked and worked in a tape factory. Do foods play that big of an impact or is it the environment? Sure, if you eat hotdogs everyday, your shit is fucked. But an average diet??

I don't know anything about eggs increasing the risk of cancer but animal protein increases IGF-1 which will increase your risk of cancer, hence why it is best to limit animal protein consumption.

eggs are still bad because they raise your cholesterol

>IGF-1
Doesn't it also give you more gains? And are you sure it increases the *risk* of cancer? It was my understanding that it made existing cancers more potent and aggressive, but didn't necessarily make you any more likely to actually get it.

>everybody has the right to do with their general health and well being whatever they want to
>milk products all should be banned immediately
love how nobody is taking your not so subtle bait.

There are so many factors with what causes cancer. To simply say eating burgers everyday is the sole reason is silly. If it was this simple, no one would have cancer. All they have to do is eat non meat and they'll be fine. Does that sentence feel like it's valid to you?
Of course not. Does eating less meat related products help. Yes. Does avoiding deli meats, and anything over processed a good idea? Sure.
To me it's like lung cancer. Some sons of bitches can smoke their whole life and be fine. Others can only do it for a short period of time or not at all, and whammo they have lung cancer. Sure, smoking cigs will increase the chance definitely. But it isn't the sole reason.
I think a lot of veganism is very good. But to negate the benefits of meat and eggs, at least to me, is beyond just avoiding cancer and sickness. It's like these people have been looking for something all their lives to feel good about and shit on others. Instead of having a sense of compassion and understanding. Funny, they have empathy for animals but very little for humans.

>hence why

opinion discarded

oh and igf-1 is only an issue if you already have cancer. it doesn't increase your risk of getting it.

The only thing your picture proves is that there is a lot of protein in salmon (which is true, but unnecessary. Contrary to Veeky Forums's broscience you don't need 1kg per ounce of body weight) it has vitamin D (go outside, your body produces it naturally, also leafy greens crush D vits) and some heavy metals. Congrats, it's absolutely nothing.

hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-full-story/

Harvards students performing studies agree that milk and meat leaches calcium from bones.

lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/minerals/calcium

Oregon state studies show that the calcium in broccoli, spinach and the cabbage and best families are just as, if not more useful to the human body as that in dairy.

There are studies going both ways and it'd take years to boil away all of the studies conducted with a slanted point of view and get the real facts out of them. The results depend almost completely on who is conducting or finding the studies. As much weight as we give to the scientific community, oftentimes things are ignored to swing data, and that's coming from a member of the scientific world.

My main point is this: people eat too much meat and not enough veggies. I'm not a vegan, I've said elsewhere I think veganism is cancer. I just think that most of the human physiology points to that we should be predominantly herbivores (long digestive track with comparatively low acidity, jaw structure and that most of our teeth are molars for plants, etc) compared to something like a dog, predominantly a carnivore. BUT I absolutely agree that meat is and should remain a factor of human diet. There is a lot of good that comes out of meats, especially meats raised how cows evolved to live, in a pasture eating grass, not force fed corn. I don't believe that for the cows sake since the end result is the same, but for ours.

I do challenge to read the China Study though, get a different (peer reviewed) perspective on things. Plus it's a good read.

Not too sure if it increases your gains, it makes sense that it would but I couldn't find any info on how much IGF-1 affected your gains when I spent 15 minutes looking haha.

This is the paper I read on low animal protein reducing the risk of cancer: cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(14)00062-X

Plenty of doctors are fat and unhealthy and smoke and drink. It's a high stress job.

it doesn't matter if the meat costs $20/lb or more because you shouldn't be eating that much of it anyway. you want to buy your meat from a source as close to the actual person who slaughtered the animal as possible.

yes. I've been shilling the "90-95% whole grains, produce, and legumes" diet for a while here.

Every vegan I know is a hot, thin college girl

>humans have molars , thus they should eat predominantly vegetable matter

Humans have evolved alongside the use of fire to prepare the meat that was hunted down.
Exactly the fact that humans had such a nutritious source of easily chewable and digestible energy made our jaw muscle shrink and open up more space for the brain case.

I try to eat a lot of veggies, but I also consume milk products like low fat milk and cottage cheese. And I do eat meat from time to time.

What are the benefits of eggs? I've heard so many people talk about "good" cholesterol in eggs, but the body makes all it's own cholesterol. That leaves eggs filled with protein and fat

>what I want to know is who funded it

Wiki:
>What the Health was written, produced, and directed by Kip Andersen and Keegan Kuhn, the production team for the documentary Cowspiracy.

Kip Andersen:
>He is the founder of AUM Films and Media, a 501c3 non-profit focused on creating films and media that promote thrivability, compassion, and harmony for all life. He is also an entrepreneur, as well as a certified Jivamukti and Kundalini yoga teacher.

that really activates my almonds

Yes the body makes its own.
300-400mcg can come from eggs 2-3 eggs. So are they necessary. No. I just add them in my diet bc I like them and as an aging man I need all the help i can get to keep my test levels from depleting as I age. I personally enjoy hard boiled eggs in my salad or wth some toast.
So in the end, it's a subjective need.

Well I listed that last because it's the least tenable, the more major points are that our digestive system is way longer, about 1/10 the acidity and much less smooth (even more surface area on top of length increase) as compared to cats and dogs. Also our jaw can move laterally, something carnivores are incapable of doing. That being said, I do believe humans are omnivores because our bodies have been designed by nature to be so unbelievably versatile and low maintenance compared to almost everything else that it's ridiculous. I just can't get on board with dairy now even though I drank and ate just as much cow juice as anyone else. Health studies aside, cow titty is gross

Actually our gut bacteria, when regularly eating fiber, breaks down fiber into MCFA, the kind of fat in coconut oil. This MCFA is also one of the main mechanisms in appetite regulation, and is typically why as fiber intake goes up, weight goes down. It's not because "lol fiber fills you up!", it's because we're supposed to eat that and have physiological mechanisms that rely on it.

What the fuck is with all the vegetarian/vegan shilling here lately? Did somebody hire all the out of work ex clinton shills to push this shit?

>humans have evolved alongside the use of fire to prepare the meat that was hunted down.

oh jesus for fuck sake what a story. humans have been farmers for 10 000 years and 99% of the calories have always come from foods such as rice, potatos, corn, wheat

damn it started to rain and i had to come back to argue on Veeky Forums holy shiiiet

There is someone behind the Keto diet. Adkins didn't catch on so they re wrapped it. Tell an American meat is healthy and muh protein, and they'll eat it 24/7.

>They were asking effectively receptionists intricate questions and pretending like it was a big deal that they couldn't answer their questions and made a hash of it.

This was my only problem with the film. Go ask a floor associate at a retail store how a product works, or why they stock this or that. They just stock the fucking shelves, man. Just like in the movie, they're just some $10/hr person to direct calls.

What's the vegan argument against fish? Don't try and tell me it's unhealthy and causes cancer.

It's hard to argue against veganism.

>Does that sentence feel like it's valid to you?

Seeing as red meat is now a Group 2A carcinogen, meaning it probably causes cancer. So yes. No one is saying if you follow this one magical rule you'll never get cancer.

If you work in a chemical factory and are plant based, obviously you'll have a high risk. If you're a smoker and eat plant based, you'll obviously have a high risk of lung cancer.

If you're plant based vs animal based, you'll have a significantly lower risk of developing many forms of cancer - especially digestive tract cancers, and atherosclerosis, which happen to be the most prevalent causes of death in the US.

>Don't try and tell me it's unhealthy and causes cancer.

It is and does.

Show proof or shut up

...

fat slobs will believe meat and dairy is healthy so they can rest assured they're on the right track and feel good about themselfs. It takes alot to convince them that they are not psychopathic toxic gluttonous cancerous overfed nutritient-lacking retarded meatheads.

>what the health
Wouldn't watch it based on the name alone desu

u can eat vegan on keto u fucking idiot. u even eat less protein then normal on keto. ur supposed to eat avocados olive oil nuts seeds veggies like spinach, not eggs and beef.

fucking idiot

>u
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>;)

>Seeing as red meat is now a Group 2A carcinogen, meaning it probably causes cancer. So yes. No one is saying if you follow this one magical rule you'll never get cancer.

if you'd read the actual paper instead of being an alarmist herbivore, you'd know that it increases the rate of getting colon cancer from 2% to an astounding 2.02% if processed and red meat are consumed in large amounts over Y E AR S

LEEEEEEEAVE

>instead of being an alarmist herbivore

I eat meat, brosephino. I'm just a realist and care about my health. Anyway:

>The cancer risk related to the consumption of red meat is more difficult to estimate because the evidence that red meat causes cancer is not as strong. However, if the association of red meat and colorectal cancer were proven to be causal, data from the same studies suggest that the risk of colorectal cancer could increase by 17% for every 100 gram portion of red meat eaten daily.

Second paragraph of #13:
who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

I actually looked for the source to see if you were right, because that would have been great news to be honest.

>Anyone seen this shit? Is it real or what
It's more propaganda full of bad science and dietary misinformation
>eating truckloads of cancerous meat and dairy every single day.
Except they aren't.
>suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
Also highly doubt the"milk=prostate cancer" entirely especially when in the article it says:
>Estrone and prostate cancer risk in men: As far as the estrone levels Maruyama et al. measured in their 2010 study are concerned it is very difficult to tell, whether or not the 26% increase in E2 levels is or isn't a problem.
>The estrone values in the Maruyama study are unrealistic. With a normal range of difficult to tell
>unrealistic
and
>What remains to be seen, though, is whether future epidemiological evidence will support or refute the currently heralded hypothesis that dairy consumption increases prostate cancer risk and whether we will be able to identify more feasible explanations for this relations than those that are implicated by the results Maruyama et al. present in their 2010 study.
>sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/
>(cont.)

>tfw eaten 1kg of red meat during the day and now have cancer
Will i be ok senpai

>Chemo has NO success rate.

And here I was thinking my old man was alive and well, thanks for clearing that up.

>(cont.)
>Eat a whole foods plant based diet. That's the red pill. We're physiologically herbivores. The "caveman" meme is just a meme.
Human have been eating meat for majoritarily as long as we've been around. This has been overwhelmingly proven both scientifically and by our historical record and in fact, there is even a proven period in human history where we ate majoritarily meat/animal products
>People who read books know a fact that vegetarians do not- that at one point in history, the Earth's total population of humans dropped to between 5,000 and 10,000 individuals, due to the eruption of Mt. Toba in Sumatra, which killed off most of the available plant and animal life on Earth in 71,000 BC. During this period of time, humans were confined to an extraordinarily small area of Africa that escaped glaciation, where they subsisted on a diet that was "approximately 50-70% meat and 50-30% plants, respectively." This diet was necessitated by the die-off of plants and animals, and the lack of a varied diet that could have been otherwise obtained though plant gathering. It was at this time that the Neanderthal diet came to consist of naught but meat, due to the complete lack of availability of edible vegetation, which likely lasted for at least 1000 years.(Plants/climate)
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html?m=1&zx=1931c8ee82d28297
And top add just another small drop in the ocean of proof here's Loren Cordain's debate with T. Collin Campbell where he cites further numerous studies on the matter.
>catalystathletics.com/articles/downloads/proteinDebate.pdf
>(cont.)

shoo shoo shill

>Lol I smoke a pack a day and don't have cancer :p

Cancer is an obtuse disease. It takes many, many years of treating your body like an indestructible machine to develop. My uncle drank himself to a 600+lbs body weight over the course of 20 years before finally getting stomach cancer.

>citing a fucking blogspot

Come on guy it's like you're not even trying. Grab a .edu .org, hell, even a reputable .com that's not a fucking forum.

>risk of colorectal cancer could increase by 17% for every 100 gram portion of red meat
Will 1kg of red meat eaten during the day guarantee cancer or is this bullshit?

Same. Guess my aunt is dead and there's some cyborg running her office right now.

>(cont.)
>Do they really cause cancer?
No
>suppversity.blogspot.com/search?q=eggs
>the longest, most all encompassing study on human health ever conducted
And it's fucking garbage
>rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ >foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>And the results were undeniably that meat in excess and dairy in any amount are toxic.
Those results were bullshit when they were made in the past and these same claims are bullshit now
>Seeing as red meat is now a Group 2A carcinogen, meaning it probably causes cancer. So yes. No one is saying if you follow this one magical rule you'll never get cancer.
>diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
shoo shoo pseudoscientist

>mercury
>worms

>Come on guy it's like you're not even trying.
It's like you're to not even trying, to read, at all
>Grab a .edu .org, hell, even a reputable .com that's not a fucking forum
How about you grab a pair of glasses because you clearly need them, and actually try to read what I posted, or better yet; do the research yourself instead of whining over basic science and nutrition you should have learned in school.