Lifting for girls

I started out lifting bc I wanted attention from girls then I realized I was super attracted to girls way too young so I moved out into the sticks so I will be less tempted to fuck up my life

>Implying average girls want average guys

How do I into qt blonde gf?

>find blonde qt
>talk to blonde qt
>hook up with blonde qt
>fill her with your seed

seems pretty straightforward to me

Veeky Forums will tell you unless you're an 8/10 already and get swamped in pussy then lifting is a complete waste of time, and in fact unless you're already successful then trying to improve anything is a waste of time so just kill yourself.

Then on the other hand you have those who say that you should only lift for yourself, and not for girls, as if getting pussy is not 'for yourself'.

Personally I think there's no issue with it, if being more attractive is your main concern, then lift for that.

Tfw don't find blonde girls hot after I was raped
tfw don't find pale girls attractive after I was sexually assaulted

Don't listen to this faggot OP, except the chewing gum part.
Lifting for girls is the only acceptable, non-homo reason to lift aside from sports. Just get as big as you can get, the "don't get too big" meme is not real unless you're on a deadly cocktail of every steroid on the planet. You just need to follow one simple rule: STAY LEAN
if your face starts puffing up; too fat
if your abs aren't visible under any conditions; too fat
if you look like the michelin man; kys, too fat
JUST STAY LEAN

Blonde pussy>>any other pussy

Yet, I'm more attracted to brunettes. What's the logic behind this?

Should a skinnyfat focus first on getting lean, or on bulking?

You can't just make comments like that and not give a story

Post pic

cutting and bulking is a later lifting meme; beginners should just eat clean and do your lifts after a while cut/bulk cycles are okay

Last night I was in a weird fit and typed 8 pages/3000+ pages of my sexual experiences
If you want, I can post the 2-3 posts that are the time I was assaulted. Nobody read them last night though

As a p handsome 6'4" white guy, I don't think this is true.

My 5'10" friend who used to pull average girls occasionally started lifting and now the quantity/quality of chicks he gets has gone through the roof.

I was slayer-ish pre-lifting (fucked 45-50 or so girls by 23), and if anything now I have fewer girls approach me.

That being said, I've realized that fucking tons of sluts is not fulfilling in the slightest, so I'm not to upset about this.

Yeah bro a fatass shouldn't cut and a skelly that weighs 130 lbs will sure get an amazing body hitting that sub 2 pl8 bench and accesories.

If you take such a formulaic approach to partnering you'll only catch vapid cunts and wonder why your relationships are empty. I feel you are only interested in sex, then go get yourself some dumb sluts who go home with total strangers.

do it

I was 18 at the time
Any way, Story #2 I will make it shorter, Sorry
>About 4-5 months after first story, I'm about to move cross country and I'm invited to hangwith same friend from story 1, I'll call him Dee for convenience, at his brother's house who I will call Jay and this chick who was 16 (Legal in the state I was in Thus I will call her Lee) that I did not know
>Jay is a weed dealer and as previously mentioned, he buys me booze. He's cool but a bit weird,was 3 years older than us, fucks underage girls and just generally kinda scummy
>I don't wanna hang out, It's 9AM and I was up until 6AM drunk but Jay is pretty cool and I wanted to buy booze/weed from him
>I text the girl my address and tell her pick me up, I have a car but I'd rather not waste my gas
>She gets there and I recognize her. She's the town whore.typical whore,daddy issues, disgusting hygiene, cuts herself, Only time I've met her is when I was picking Dee up and she was at Jay's house throwing shit and got my new pants a nice big red stain
>Drive is awkward, bitch disgusts me
>We arrive, Lee shows every one her sex tapes she has from when she was 12-16. Jay and Dee are enjoying it, It's making me sick and I'm just thinking how these are all child porn and how much of a gross slut she is
>She won't shut up about her sluttiness, gangbangs, foot job, all that shit
Let me preface this by saying Jay can be autistic and kind of a dick, my friend's family is weird
>We all walk to corner store to get food, It's noon and hot, Only later did I realize what a mistake this is
>We get back, Jay likes to mix drinks and I'm a borderline 18 year old alchoholic, I'm the only one getting drunk
>We all watch some awful shitty movie, don't remember a second of what it was, Lee took all her clothes off except panties because she's a whore and most likely wanted a foursome
>Friend says I'm moving and also a virgin
>Jay and Dee have to shit so they leave
CONT

>Am I setting myself up for failure?

Whatever your reasons are, just asking this questions tells me you'd rather waste time asking retarded questions to make excuses to not even try than to put in the work and make progress. So yes, you are, but not because of the reason you're lifting.

Yes, "aesthetic" shredded gymcel rat look is shit for slaying, you need to bloatmaxx in order to girthmaxx, just lol if you still believe homosexual gymcel memes and "cut" in stead of bloatmaxx in 2017 buddy boyo

putslab.la.psu.edu/documents/Hill et al 2013 Evol Hum Behav.pdf

Post pic, depending on how severe it is you might need to cut first if your #1 goal is women, otherwise just eat a high protein diet at maintenance for a few months while lifting heavy.

Post it

>Talking to Lee, Still drinking
>She has yellow and orange shit all on her teeth, B cup tits, Blonde hair, blue eyes, Decent ass
>user, you're really a virgin? You're low key cute, Not that I want to fuck you or any thing teehee
>Yeah, whatever bitch
>Jay and Dee come back and egg Lee on to fuck me who is on the couch with me while they are on the floor
>I lie and say I've never touched tits and she happily practically forces me to grab her tits even though I tell her to stop and that I'm not touching them
>She gets on top of me and now I'm just playing with her tits with one hand and drinking with the other like a fucking mong while she watches tv
>I comment on how her nipples are hard
BIG MISTAKE
>She starts fucking twerking and giving me a lap dance, I can smell her fucking rank asshole, smells like shit, I'm not enjoying this at all
Keep in mind the walk to the corner store in hot ass weather, she never freshened up
>I'm soft as a tit
>Jay and Dee encouraging her to fuck me
>She tells me she has a birth control chip in her arm but she gets a condom from her car any way
>Jay is a dick, won't let us use the bed or go anywhere else so she climbs on top of me and puts pillows around us
>I'm practically falling asleep, I hadn't slept, was extremely drunk and Lee kept giving me more booze, constantly had a cup of booze in my hand while she gave me a lap dance
>She takes panties off and sticks hand dowb my pants,touches my soft dick, tries to get me hard
>Not happening
>We go into a closet after me begging Jay to let us fuck in there to get away from jay and dee
>Dick still soft in closet, I finger her a little bit, she's dry as fuck and tells me to stop after like two seconds.
>Been almost an hour of her trying to get me hard and it's not happening
Continued

Cliffs on pdf? Can't open it.

>We go back to Jay and Dee, I'm drunk and embarassed
>She falls asleep with Jay on the couch while naked, Later said his hard dick was pressing on her back and she was close to fucking him
>I just want to go home but I'm drunk and Lee is the one who gave me a ride
>after 4 hours of Hell, she takes me and Dee to the park by my house mentioned in Story 1 and she leaves. Wasn't too awkward a drive because I just played it off that I was too drunk to get hard, looking back, She was just nasty as fuck

In conclusion, I never saw or spoke to the chick again and have nothing but disgust for her and that whole episode.
Later that night, she went to a party with Dee that I refused to go to. She got drunk, went around begging for some one to fuck her, threatening to suicide and telling every one I had a tiny dick.
Luckily, every one hates her and basically ignored her and knew she was just bitter and feeling like shit since I didn't get hard for her and this was apparently the only time that happened to her.
I'm more embarassed people knew that I almost hooked up with her than her lies. I mean, of course my dick was small. It was trying to shrivel into my body to get away from your nasty cunt
I kept the condom tho and jerked into it a few months later

As if lifting for strength is any different. Its just as vain and reeks of insecurity even more

if you start lifting to get chicks and then become a lover of fitness for the sake of health and performance, thats fine. but if you don't you'll likely just fall off and never reach elite status once you get a gf, just like all the other fuccbois populating gyms worldwide.

i have a former friend who has great genetics for bodybuilding, but he ended up giving it all up once he got a gf, and now he doesn't want to get "too big" and he talks shit on conditioned bodybuilders saying they "take it too far". its pretty pathetic, desu. i can't respect the guys in the gym who just put in a half effort and then fuck off to the clubs. there's no longevity in that.

i started lifting for health and personal development, women motivated me sometimes, but now im training for a MMA fight and the thought of lifting for chicks will not help me finish my 2nd weighlifting workout for the day, after ive already done cardio once and have another cardio session, and a BJJ class during the day. you need to find something tangible and if its girls for now, thats fine, but im telling you its usually a dead end for most folks.

ive been going to the same hardcore weightlifting gym for 10 years, and theres a tiny percentage of people who still live here and still go to it regularly. most people quit after a few years.

thats it. i dont think lifting for girls is going to motivate you to get down to 8% bf and perform like a professional athlete. someone with such vain pursuits, unless they are totally dedicated to having the perfect body, will not reach elite status.

Yes, absolutely. If you do ever reach your goal of getting a girl you'll give up, mission accomplished. Then you'll get fat, she'll dump you, and you'll have to repeat the cycle. You have to find intrinsic motivation

I broke it off with another grrl yesterday. I've ended it in every relationship or almost-relationship since I started lifting. I feel like every time I break a girls' heart my power level goes up. The rest of them will sense my aura and want me even more.

According to my experience with Tinder, the myth that "women don't like muscles" is a lie. I get 20 matches a week purely because of my body and I'm not even jacked, 18% bf.

you must be the same faggot who posts this thread a dozen times a day.

stop posting this cancer, go back to r9k

sage and report these threads

That's fucked mate, I imagine the disguisting person she was.

Did you ever get with a girl since?

>3.1. Female choice
>Female choice exerted directional (linear) selection favoring
height (Fig. 1, Table 1A). There was also negative correlational selection between girth and facial and vocal masculinity (Table 1A): as
girth increased, men with lower facial and vocal masculinity became
more attractive. Female choice did not exert significant quadratic
selection on male traits (Table 1A).

>3.2. Male contests
>Male contests showed directional selection favoring increased
girth and vocal masculinity (Fig. 1, Table 1B). There was also
significant disruptive (positive quadratic) selection on facial masculinity
(Fig. 1, Table 1B), as well as negative correlational selection
between girth and facial masculinity (Table 1B)

>4. Discussion
>Female choice exerted positive directional selection on height and
stabilizing selection on an eigenvector that was heavily weighted by
girth. These results corroborate previous research finding that women
prefer taller males particularly for short-term mating (Pawlowski &
Jasienska, 2005), and that they prefer men of intermediate brawniness
(Frederick & Haselton, 2007). Moreover, both multiple regression
analysis and canonical analysis indicated selection under female
choice for negative covariance between girth and facial and vocal
masculinity, suggesting that the brawnier a man is, the more important it is for him to have a feminine face and voice, and vice
versa. Female choice favored more attractive, but not more masculine,
faces and voices, and facial attractiveness became more important as
height increased. These results indicate that beyond height, masculine
features tend not to make independent positive contributions to
success under female choice, suggesting that other factors may have
operated in the selection of masculine traits in men.

In contrast, male contests exerted positive directional selection
on girth and vocal masculinity. This was evident in the results of
both our multiple regression and canonical analyses. These results
support the notion that men's approximately 60% greater muscularity
(Lassek & Gaulin, 2009) and voices approximately five standard
deviations lower in pitch and timbre (Puts et al., 2012) evolved in
the context of male contests (Puts, 2010). There was also disruptive
selection for facial masculinity, and selection for negative covariance
between facial masculinity and girth, indicating that men high in
girth were more dominant if their faces were less masculine.
Canonical analysis indicated disruptive selection on an eigenvector
related to high girth and low facial masculinity, and stabilizing
selection on an eigenvector related to high girth and high facial
masculinity. Given little evidence that men generally deferred to, or
that women preferred, men with masculine faces in the present
study, perhaps facial masculinity evolved in men not so much as a
dominance signal or sexual ornament but because robust facial
skeletal structure was protective against facial fractures incurred in
physical fights

These results suggest stronger sexual selection through male
contests than female choice in the population studied. Much research
in evolutionary psychology states or implies the contrary: stronger
sexual selection in men through female choice (reviewed in Puts,
2010). Yet, male contests tend to evolve in terrestrial species,
especially where females are social, as in humans, and frequent or intense
male contests characterize all extant great apes. Large human sex differences in muscle mass and same-sex
aggression also suggest the importance of male contests in shaping
men's traits (Archer, 2009; Puts, 2010). Thus, the present findings are
predicted from theory, as well as phylogenetic and functional analyses
of men's traits.

I moved cross-country a few months after.
I have a third story I typed that I'll condense
>Girl I don't know but followed me on Snapchat comes over twice to smoke weed, she brings weed
>She really wants to fuck but doesn't outright say it, gives me strong hints like saying how she gives amazing blowjobs
>I know she has a boyfriend even though she didn't tell me, I smoke her weed, She paints my nails and I take her home
Months later, we sexted a little but I was already 2000 miles away.
I'm a shut in virgin now at 19.
DESU, What really annoys me is that even though the legal age is 16, That cunt could have easily put my ass in jail because she was white and younger and because I am a non-white male

There more I can post, I think I'll just post the TL;DR-

Women prefer taller men, and also as a man became more muscular, his face and voice needed to be more feminine to be more attractive. Women also prefer men of moderate musculature.

In male vs male competitions, muscularity and vocal masculinity became more important, with height actually being slightly detrimental.

And finally, male dominance (aka success in male vs male competitions) was more important to actual mating success than male attractiveness (IE how women rated them), but as dominance went up, attractiveness became more important.

Then they go on to a page and a half speculating why that might be.

How do you even get yourself into these situations man, Jesus?
Also why would she put you in jail, unless you raped her or something? Not like you were dating and she'd want to take your money or something.

Never trust a woman
Doesn't this happen to everyone?
I don't know, What situation do you even mean? I'm just a lot less socially and sexually mature than others my age, I never had friends, Finished HS early and was obese almost all my life

i have a masculine face i think but a pretty lame high voice is there hope 4 me

My 5'10" friend who used to pull average girls occasionally started lifting and now the quantity/quality of chicks he gets has gone through the roof.

>I was slayer-ish pre-lifting (fucked 45-50 or so >girls by 23), and if anything now I have fewer >girls approach me.

>That being said, I've realized that fucking tons >of sluts is not fulfilling in the slightest

As a guy (who's up there in years) and has never touched a woman. I always find it
curious when guys say this. I think that
it would make me happy (on some level)
and would be extremely validating...being
able to attract so many women and being
skilled/charismatic enough to get them
into bed.

Man as a 19 shut in virgin you've had more sexual experiences than me. I'm 21 and I've only had 1 long term gf, havent even kissed anyone else aside from that. But fuck that skank, hope that did not traumatise you

You never fucked your girlfriend?
I'm pretty traumatized. I was a bit more beta, wanted a gf and all that, The three stories I have occurred within a few months and it has kind of fucked me up. It's hard to see women as people as much as objects.

You know the weird wash of shame you get after masturbation, especially when you look at the porn you were using and don't understand why you thought it was hot?
That doesn't change.

I did, but aside from what I did with her nothing else happened. Looks do not make up for autism. Don't fall for the redpill meme or you won't be able to enjoy a long term relationship never again, just learn to tell apart whores from gf material

I'm ugly though.
It's not really a redpill really. I'm young enough that I really should just be fucking sloots and having fwb. I hate being tied down and needy girls are fucking annoying, I can barely talk to some one for 30 minutes a day and women want constant texting especially if they're your gf

>Am I setting myself up for failure?

Yes.

It's a fucking meme, but just be yourself and sociable and don't get down just because women are turning you down. QTs are literally everywhere and one will fall for your charm and confidence.

>just b urself ;)
>but don't improve yourself
what did he mean by this

I know your pain, I'm exactly the same. I don't know if I'm ugly or not anymore because I've been a fat fuck for most of my life and now suddenly I'm told I should be getting my dick wet 24/7.

Just do what you feel like doing, it's the only tip I can give you because I've never had one night stands. Don't give your time to people that don't deserve it and just be honest with yourself. I got a qt when I was a fat fuck, you had girls showing interest in you, don't let those bad experiences change your views. Godspeed user, gotta go lift

You might have moved into out of league territory. Remember faggots, women can and often are also intimidated by men

Thanks brother. Good luck with your gains

c-checkem

>You know the weird wash of shame you get after >masturbation, especially when you look at the >porn you were using and don't understand why >you thought it was hot?
>That doesn't change.

Sorry...I don't get the analogy. I understand the
shame about masturbating to porn but why
ashamed of being good-looking,charming,
charismatic,confident enough to get women
to sleep with you ?

It must have been validating on some level
and reinforced your masculinity at some
point.

first time I have ever seen the original gif desu

Why do you type like that?

Anyway, the other guy is attractive so he'll never understand, but I get where you come from, and as an ugly guy, female attention is very fulfilling and validating on the rare occasions I do get it. I'm hoping that getting fit will help that happen more often.
I hope you're still lifting user. No matter how ugly you are, being a muscular motherfucker will make you more masculine.

If you lift for girls, and it starts to work, it's easy to end up with a gf. Normally we think of this as a good thing, but a gf does not usually motivate us to excel. You stagnate without some new, powerful thing to chase which is always just out of reach.

There's little more powerful than the motivation for sex and novel female attention. If that's what was driving you and you voluntarily give it up, the consequences are predictable.

>tfw lift for vegetia

this

the only thing that keeps me going is that i have other hobbies and i couldve lost it to a few girls in my teens (like 4 of them were definitely down)
but still, im 20 and never ever hugged a women. life isnt even worth living when you realise the differences in quality

>There's little more powerful than the motivation for sex and novel female attention.
Key word being "novel".

>start lifting for girls
>make some gains but am still a DYEL skeleton
>eventually get a 6/10 gf, I doubt lifting helped because like I said, still DYEL
>slowly stop lifting, not because I thought "oh I have a gf now" but the motivation slowly disappeared
>fast forward 3 years
>still with gf
>start new job
>get a crush on girl there
>don't want to cheat on gf, but still realize that she's way out of my league
>in fact, even average girls pay no attention to me whatsoever
>realize how much I've stagnated
>realize that if my gf ever leaves me, I will probably not be able to get a new girl
>start lifting again and taking more care of myself

I'm not planning on cheating on my gf, but I still want to get female attention outside of my relationship.

Nah. That's why we're all doing it.

This this this

If getting big and ripped as fuck makes you more dominant and confident in yourself then id recommend lifting for girls.

I personally just feel weaker after realizing how much stronger people are out there and therefore just feel less confident in myself.