The Testosterone crisis no one talks about

is it worth getting tested at age 23, i can't say that i "feel" low test but Veeky Forums has made me paranoid.

For someone using the name 'solution' you sure make a lot of noise and offer none.

Low test thread?

Jesus H Christ man

Um no sweetie, that's called toxic masculinity.

Does your test get better as you lift weights or is it stuck at wherever it's at?

DUDE.

It's worth getting tested at any fucking age, in fact you should, in europe it's like 20 bucks, in the states I believe its like 130 but you can get saliva kits for like 15, not as accurate but you can diy.

Do it, I promise it's the best investment you can do!

Then do nothing, don't go to another doctor, don't search online, don't go and try hispanic doctors, don't try a solution.

You know what, do nothing, that's it, do nothing, nothing, you can just sit home and do nothing.

I offered a solution Follow that and you're fixed, unless you're an uniballer.

wtf that guy has no nipples

Does getting standard bloodwork done at the docs show test levels?

I've actually got an appointment with a specialist (same guy who did the surgery actually) who is able to prescribe test replacement in late August. I had to book that appointment back in February. To compare the time frames, the time between finding out I had cancer and having surgery was less than a week.

Literally none. I not only have one nut but have most of the typical symptoms including depression so bad that I'm seeing a therapist on a weekly basis and I could barely get a GP to even talk about it. I had to wait until I had a yearly follow up with my oncologist who then referred me to the urologist (apparently only a urologist or endocrinologist can give you test replacement)

When I got a blood test through a GP to see if my levels had changed (my first test was only a few months after stopping chemotherapy which can have an affect on the result), he didn't even let me know when the results were back. I ended up calling because it was taking so long to hear and was told that they'd gotten the results back weeks ago and the Dr just decided to not follow up on it.
>mfw

If I have to fight this hard to get help, I pity anyone that needs it but doesn't have an obvious medical history to point to as a cause.

Don't think so mate, ask for it.

On TRT since January.

Fucking love it.

hmmmm it's only £29 in britbong land with a 1 day turnaround.... I might just get it done for peace of mind once i get paid at the end of the month.

So what are you saying is a good minimum?

Yeah what's the deal with this? Why is it so easy, or at least seem like it's easy and common for people to get estrogen but test is impossible?

post-op tranny

Cancer guy here,

Do it asap. I lost my nut when I was 23 (literally had the surgery on my 23rd birthday), I'm now 25 and still haven't gotten help for it yet (though hopefully soon)

Plus, if you wait until you're older they'll just say it's the natural decline in test from aging and you'll never get anywhere

Fun fact, the twink here is actually a woman on test to transition

Anyone in UK got their test checked?

medichecks any good? doesn't say on site but I assume it only measures total, not free. Is that enough?

Brit, read : archive.is/SRfMp then read : archive.is/7vjtu , why didn't you just pay attention to my post here : I swear people are lacking attention more and more.

An Optimal level is around 700 for me, I feel like a fucking god at that level, I take no test to, all natural just a healthy routine and good food.

DO IT, DO IT NOW AND POST A SCREENSHOT HERE, I'll leave you my email and you can send me your results I'm willing to help you out! Is that ok with you?

Good, don't give up!

This is very weird as well.

Or not, I mean when you think off a for profit industry what do you think off? Pharma, Bayer sold HIV laced pills ffs.

Simple, Testosterone would fix a lot off problems, but it's more profitable to just give people ssris, prozac etc etc etc.

This come directly from a doc : peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=13023.15

Fucking lies, there are currently 50 year old with around 1200 ng/dl walking around, that's straight fucking bullshit!

Sorry I can't help not in the UK, but it should be fairly easy.

fact: getting a vasectomy can increase your testosterone.

Think of how this benefits society, making sure you retards don't reproduce

Who cares? This is eugenic.

I'm the Brit, you convinced me. Yeah sure send me the e-mail and I'll send you the results, should take a few days to sort out.

I never said it wasn't bullshit that they say 'well you're not in your prime any more so it's perfectly okay that you have the test levels of an old woman'. I'm just telling user that is what they'll tell him if he waits

Shut the fuck up

I care, you fucking realize the high quality people currently spending their days as shut ins without any energy and anxiety strictly because they have a "normal" level off testosterone? This is a societal issue, especially after july 17 2017, This will be a huge problem in the future!

Why do you care about what some faggy doctor says is or isnt normal for testosterone?

>high quality people
>natural low test

Does anyone know if test has been used to treat mtf gender dysphoria? To make them associate more male again instead of going the route of changing their gender

>tfw third worlder
>tfw went straight up to a endocrinologist and asked to get test checked
>tfw 550
>tfw she said i was in normal range but still got me into test replacement since i asked
>start next week

feels good senpai

Thanks for the post and articles OP you've restored my drive to improve

Fuck yea, Eternal ally (I'm João)

email me at : [email protected]

I'll help you out with the results.

You should read my second post, read the links, or research.

You don't think that currently there's a male epidemic in advanced societies? Fertility and Testosterone levels have been dropping, kids and teenagers are spending more time siting inside, there are more virgins and virgins today, this is not due Allan there being born with a genetic predisposition to low testosterone, this is induced, the same way depression is a disease off civilization, so is super low testosterone.

I believe so.

This testosterone cures all fad is kind of a meme to sell TRT, you should test it a couple of times if you're on those borderline levels because it's so variable, also get a fucking complete panel of other stuff just to be sure. Wouldn't surprise me if there are a lot of retards who jumped on TRT or just ilegal roids and are carrying a fucking prolactinoma in their pituitary glands.

Well done, a good optimal range is >650, I would say >700 from personal experience, get it tested again in a year or so, you'll start feeling better in no time, good luck and REMEMBER, improve it naturally as well! Google is your friend.

I'm honestly fucking glad I could help, I think men need to realize low or "normal" testosterone is a major problem today and a huge weight from someone that is a bad environment, it's a recipe for failure.

Fucking improve bro, go get it.

>You don't think that currently there's a male epidemic in advanced societies? Fertility and Testosterone levels have been dropping, kids and teenagers are spending more time siting inside, there are more virgins and virgins today, this is not due Allan there being born with a genetic predisposition to low testosterone, this is induced, the same way depression is a disease off civilization, so is super low testosterone.
It's very depressing that this is a huge crisis going on and it's not on anyone's radar. Anyone in a position of influence at least. Men in general really are highly disposable and tools and no one cares about us. Thanks for the thread OP, gave me a lot to think about.

Is it just me or does such a huge range of what is "normal" scream bullshit?
If your test is 300 your considered the sane as a guy whose test is over 1000?
Fuck off, men should have assloads of test.

What are actual signs of low test? I don't feel like going through the hassle of being tested.

I'm always overly energetic and am constantly horny, is that enough to quell any worry?

I completelly agree, It should be NOTED :

I'm not advocating for you to get TRT, instead improve your testosterone levels naturally, you can triple them naturally, (read my second post).

And, yes a complete panel is advisable if you want to start TRT, if not, thyroid and vit D3 would be my recs.

You don't need TRT to get from 254 ng/dl to 700.

Should I get my testosterone checked before or after I eat this testosterone diet?

I think I'm low test but I worry about getting a testosterone boost because I don't want to lose my hair. Almost all of my male relatives were bald before my age but I still have a full head of hair. Pretty sure my low test is what's keeping my hair

>You don't think that currently there's a male epidemic in advanced societies? Fertility and Testosterone levels have been dropping, kids and teenagers are spending more time siting inside, there are more virgins and virgins today, this is not due Allan there being born with a genetic predisposition to low testosterone, this is induced, the same way depression is a disease off civilization, so is super low testosterone.
Who cares, I can't wait for the whole West meme to die off, thankfully there is only ~10 years left and that is generous.

TestShock program:
mega.nz/#!agBlXbYY!fxc5wrWrd9oqFeD-vGnhhAeINW2Xxo8GqiRC3G2Dt28

I'm glad I helped you man, there is a very good book that talks about this, the cover is a kid looking at a tv, if anyone knows the name please link it here I can not find it.

It's absolute bull, check peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=r1l8obofh63cbhvncv1i4u6dm3&topic=13023.0 read the first post carefully.

Get it at >650

Low energy
Apathy
Lethargy
Let's say you're at the gym, you will never feel 100% on your workouts
some hair loss
low sex drive (meaning your erections aren't always full)
Mood changes

But the problem you see, is not with low test, but "normal" test, I know this is a shock but if you've never had your test above >650 You've never felt like a real fully potentialized man.

To me, my confidence came, I didn't know I had one, my energy came I was like a fucking bull (still am), my anxiety fucking went away for good, I stopped caring what others thought, it's just great, and I want every male here to feel that, because that's what a man is supposed to be like, it's quite a realization knowing you spent your whole life living in a shell.

It's irrelevant really, the diet he did was pretty fucking healthy, eat a lot off brocolli and crucifurous vegetables, they contain Calcium Glucarate which is great for test, read more here : bodyecology.com/articles/detoxify_calcium_glucarate.php

testosterone is evil

Had a blood test for an unrelated thing. Found out my test is high 600s. Feels good.

Test and Balding are not related, there's more relation betwen heart disease, low vitamin D3 and hairloss than Test.

Mexicans for example have the highest test in comparison with whites and blacks, however they don't have much hairloss.

It's due to genetics.

AND NO, if anything your low test is gonna accelerate your balding. source : MD brother and a lot off research on my own.

You do you.

Thanks, I've actually been looking for this, his website is very helpful.

But you don't need this to double your test, follow my links from my second post.

Very good, my advice would be to try to get it naturally at around 1000 and see how you feel, there's nothing wrong with 1000 ng/dl, just try and find your optimal level, I'm in the process off raising mine atm, trying to get to 1100 ng/dl and see if I notice anything different in relation to sex and endurance.

What's so bad about being low T? I don't feel like barking "arf arf" when some rangers lead the way guy tells me to do something, sue me. I'd rather be chill and not die of a heart attack or stroke. Alphas are an outdated tribal wolfpack bullshit concept anyways. Anybody can put a .22 to an animal's head and feed themselves lol. Mild cardio omega master race

1. The Free testosterone value doesn't really matter that much. Bound is more important.
2. Docs that care about treating hypogonadism don't give a fuck what lab crop says. Only some plans of blue cross blue shield will actually look at the numbers before paying.
3. Wtf is a Prozac defiency? Prozac is a SSRI, and a lot of the symptoms of hypogonadism are similar to depression. In young adults recommending an SSRI would be the more likely case.
4. Do a little work and it is essy to find a Dr. that treats the symptoms and not the numbers. Try to find a urologist that focuses on hypogonadism instead of a family medicine Dr.
5. TRT is not going to turn you into Jeff Seid

-someone that actually works In the field.

Any California anons know good places to get tested? Can you do it at the chc place people only go to get free std checks

You don't know what you're talking about friend.

>I don't feel like barking "arf arf" when some rangers lead the way guy tells me to do something

Neither do I, what are you talking about?

The whole problem is that "normal" levels are being lowered meanwhile guys with these symptoms or not are walking around with SSRIs when their problem is a lack off 200 ng/dl of test that could be easily fixed.

Meanwhile they're fucking themselves up even more and they don't even know it, some doctors know about this like I said check this thread : peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=r1l8obofh63cbhvncv1i4u6dm3&topic=13023.0

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Many people have been dealing with low t "symptoms" for thousands of years. They're called women.

>Test and Balding are not related
That is just not true. You can just hop on Google Scholar and find plenty of studies that have found a correlation between high testosterone levels and baldness.
My father and grandfathers are all MDs so your brother being one doesn't really persuade me at all

Oh I'd love to have it that high. I'm pretty sure when I was several years younger I was sitting close to that. Constantly wanted to fuck and felt very aggressive. It sounds scary but I also felt amazing. Not sure what I can do to increase test more, since I already eat clean, high protein diets and lift heavy regularly. Also began HIIT a few months back and try to eat supposed super foods like kale and blueberries on the regular. I could probably use a better sleep schedule but besides that...I don't know.

1. This is good advice, at what level would you consider advising someone to follow a routine that will achieve desirable test results? Is there a big focus on diet and lifestyle in your field or do you guys see a 300 ng/dl and tell him it's fine, or give him TRT?

"Prozac defiency" He's obviously being facetious, fact his a lot of kids are walking around on Welbutrin when they could have a better outcome with a preventive plan. (not shitting on SSRIS)

And I'm not advocating for TRT, I'm stating the fact that currently most men don't have their levels in the optimal range, droping the normal value to a measle 264 ng/dl is treturous.

Read : peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=r1l8obofh63cbhvncv1i4u6dm3&topic=13023.0 and tell me what you think.

Any more advice you have?

If you're american I recommend doing this wellnessfx.com/performance test levels are included I believe.

Duh, no shit.

I was 11 nmol/L (I'm in the UK) and NHS range is 9 to 35. While that is "in range" the range is taken from a cross-section of the population.

11nmol/L is average for an 85 year old man...

I now inject test, and it is the best thing I've ever done.

Good news is that in developed nations like the UK where steroids are perfectly legal, a lot of research is being done into using test instead of anti-depressants to treat male "depression" and "anxiety" which is most often caused by a drop in test levels.

In a backward brainwashed nation like the US where steroids are illegal you might have more of a problem, but nevermind eh? Just get it illegally.

Go to your GP.

Tell him your planning on steroid use, and want a base reading first. Report low-test symptoms to him (lie if you need to).

A GP has a duty of care, so should give you bloodwork before, during, and after your cycle/PCT. Mine is.

Failing that, a lot of people I know use Medichecks and they're regularly mentioned on a popular UK steroid forum. A bit of a pain draining your own blood, but doable.

Last time i checked my test was 567ng/dL

It's actually high DHT levels, so yeah, test is to blame, but you don't have to be "high test" to go bald.

Genetics is the big factor though really - a lot of guys thinking about doing test worry it will cause them to lose their hair. It can do, but only if you were going to lose it anyway, it just hurries things up a bit.

I'm 11 weeks into my first cycle and if anything my hair is thicker!

I've been doing mindfulness meditation 2 months now, I would be lying if I said I don't feel like a fucking god.

Check this out : ergo-log.com/testosteroneboosters.html have at it!

Also check your cortisol levels, some people use ashwagandha, procede with caution.

btw it feels fucking great getting that inner sense off aggression doesn't it mate?

It's genetic, your test levels will influence baldness to the extent off the gene being turned on or off, I'd rather have high test rocking a buzzcut than low test, and I had both very low test and very high test, teenager years were a rumble.

I'm not that user but how can i lower my cortisol level? Last time i checked it was way above average. Idk if that has something to do with this but my hair is falling like crazy.

Good going mate, never needed Test, just boosted it naturally but I'm fucking glad your on the top off your game.

Also Europe is somewhat retared, adderall for example is banned here, for a layman you might think oh that's great but for someone with adhd its hell, since not every medication works, if you're out off options here you're essentially fucked for life.

But you're not in Europe anymore :)

I want to elucidate on this, has anyone read Hair like a fox? I heard it was a new approach to balding.

Sure.

I recommend you take this : amazon.com/Gaia-Herbs-Adrenal-Support-Phyto-Caps/dp/B0036THML2/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 and see how you feel, very good brand.

Then start following this program : archive.is/7vjtu

Also make sure you get 8 hours off deep sleep, install a sleep tracker on your phone and analyze it, take zinc and magnesium before bed, catch at least 30 minutes off sun in the morning and if possible meditate, I recommend Sam harris guided meditation you can find it on youtube.

Oh and try to follow your circadian rythm.

My stepsister transitioned to a man, is given testosterone and now "her" levels are higher than the average mans, yet an ACTUAL MAN can't receive test.

Funny you mention meditation, because I've dabbled for the past year or so for other reasons. I've heard of ashwagandha, never gave it a shot.

And yes, feeling aggressive is great. It makes you not settle for bullshit. Not just other people's bullshit, but life's bullshit. I attribute it to my attempt at starting a business. How that works out we'll see, but I feel like I'm grabbing life by the balls.

Reminder that high Testosterone perpetuates rape culture.

Reminder that high Testosterone creates toxic masculinity which is largely responsible for women, transfolk and minorities being unsafe at work and at home.

Reminder that women really will be as strong as men soon if testosterone levels keep dropping, so overall it's just better all round for humanity in the long run.

If someone comes in w/ a Cc and Sx of hypogonadism and they already have had labs done, they will get a Rx for test, most likely along with Hcg. The we set them up for repeat peaks and troughs labs to stabilize hormone levels, check on E2, and find what the optimal injection schedule is.

I agree with what I read from that link. We get a lot of patients that get their lab work done by their PCP and since its in the range they tell the Pt it's normal you are just getting old tough luck. That is why I recommend for people to do a little research into what Doctor they are going to see. You're average PCP/FM/Endo is not going to give a fuck about low T. I recommend urologists over endos, since we deal with all male sexual health and Genitourinary problems.

And too testicular cancer guy, it shouldn't be a problem for you to get testosterone. A urologist did your orchiectomy, I would make an appointment with them to discuss it.

It's curious isn't it everyone?

How you can get easily estrogen because it always comes packed with surgery and months and months off medical bills, essentially you're not buying estrogen but a lenghty and costly process.

But if you wan testosterone just to get your levels up (because you haven't researched how to do it naturally) it's a big no no, an easy and cheap fix, no no.

I'm just conspiring, as always though follow the money, especially in pharma.

This is what I want everyone to feel like, because it's our natural state! Fukin A OP.

PS : If you ever get a kid make sure the mom walks a lot during pregnancy and eats some crucifurous vegetables (without pesticides) thank me later when he comes out with a defined jaw line (know this because off a study I read long ago.)

Hey! Nice melons, bitch

Very interesting, would you mind contacting me via email to : [email protected] ? I'm working on a resource guide for people and I would like to learn more, especially from another doctor, would that be fine? I would contact you in about 4 months.

Thanks for the info, again, very cool.

Just re read my first reply, I would like to point out I'm not a big conspiracy guy, but pharmas track record is literally the worst in any industry, nytimes.com/2003/05/22/business/2-paths-of-bayer-drug-in-80-s-riskier-one-steered-overseas.html

That's a beautiful painting OP, have this in return, don't get scared it might be to masculine.

Made me laugh

I'm not a doctor yet. I'm in medical school and was a scribe in a Urology group for 2 years.

Start roids, ez fix

how do I get my test levels checked in the UK my pajeet GP will no way do a blood test for me the fucking snake

I would still like to keep in touch, if you want to just shoot me an email. Cheers.

check

nice, will be ordering soon

Shoot me an email to, I will help you out.

all right, you've convinced me to get it checked. Where can I get it checked in the states, how do i convince my doc i need more test, and if i can't convince my doc, where do I get test. Also, thanks OP, people like you are the reason i still come on this board

also, how does it feel at 700 test, I want to ascend

and any links on how to get it up naturally?

Look on artofmanliness.com
That guy doubled his test in 3 months

>did blood test because I was sick
>semi-jokingly ask doc to check test as well
>it's literally just another checkmark on the form that he gives to the lab
>he says fine
>get results
>440
Fucking Hell. I'm 24 years old, I'm at a healthy bodyfat, I lift, I eat clean, I sleep 8-9 hours every night, I have almost no stress factors in my life. There's very few things I could do that potentially increase my test naturally.
Granted the test was after being sick for a week, so that could have affected it.
>Asked doc to do a re-test after I'm well again
>No, everything's normal, just the sickness affected a few markers, no reason to test again
(I also had not fapped for 4 months at that point. Now I'm back to fapping every couple of days to once a week and I'm a lot hornier and regularly get morning wood. So I guess I should be fine. Still would be nice to see a good number black on white)

What do you guys think his t level was?

fuck the docs
fuck the law
buy underground lab test e 250mg/ml
inject inject 1ml/week

and voilà welcome to alpha manhood

>It already pains me when a man presents to his traditional doc with all of the classic hypogonadal symptoms and a testosterone level of 370 ng/dL (with current range 348 - 1197) and is told he has "normal" testosterone
This was unironically me

hnghhh oh God, am I going to fap to a painting?

That's nice!

I'm not from the US, so a google search should help you, I would recommend this full panel if you know what you're messing with : wellnessfx.com/performance

Dude, please pay attention : There.

See : It feels right, imagine suddenly turning super sayan, that's how it feels to me, lets just say I feel like I don't recognize my old self, read the whole thread carefully.

You seem stressed brah
I havent had my t levels checked, but im never upset or emotional regardless of my circumstances and i do the stuff you said
I also spend a lot of time in the sun (aim to be outside for at least 2 hours and get a full tan -- tans have been shown to radically affect t levels)
You should also meditate and look into foods that target T. Garlic has a thing called allicin that activates if you crush it and leave it for 10 mins then eat within 2-3 mins that supposedly triples T. I started getting morning wood again after I ate 2 tsps of this every day and spent hours outside

I'm gonna help you out, chill man.

Here's what I want you to do :

1. Find out in your area where you can get your test checked, you can do this for example : wellnessfx.com/performance, google is your best fucking friend.

2. I read a while ago about nofap decreasing test after a certain X days, I have to look carefully into that, anyway.

3. See these 3 guides :

>archive.is/7vjtu
>spartantraveler.com/testosterone-diet-2015/
>testshock.com/how-to-naturally-raise-my-testosterone/

Things I want you to also checkout.

anabolicmen.com/how-to-increase-testosterone-levels-naturally/

and I want you to ctrl + f for ergo in this thread and see that link.

Read all of that carefully.

Also, avoid bpas and tin cans, as for tap water I have to read the literature, but I know there's some degree off estrogen, a reverse osmosis filter would be ideal.

How are your Vitamin D3 levels? Do you catch a lot of sun?