Why did the coopting of 'race struggle' to 'class struggle' by Marx and Engels fail so badly...

Why did the coopting of 'race struggle' to 'class struggle' by Marx and Engels fail so badly? What happens when Marxists realize that exclusive kinship dynamics are the basis for Human community, rather than inhuman universal egalitarianism? Will Marxists forever pretend Humans don't have a nature and pattern of evolutionary-ingrained behaviors they can't change?

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>i-it's natural to despise other races! you're all crazy, i'm sane!

If he lifted some more and had less greasy skin he’d actually look pretty normal, and at least it’s not a bathroom selfie.
>they can’t change

Posted early for some reason
>can’t change
But rich blacks look down on poor blacks, and middle class people normally get along regardless of race

> coopting of 'race struggle' to 'class struggle'
What the fuck are you talking about? Racialism came with people inventing social Darwinism after Origin of Species was published 10 years after the Communist Manifesto

He didn’t actually say that, but probably thinks it but will say he can see race but then thinks all Europeans are the same

>>>/leftyreddit/

Imagine being so pathetic to spend all that time making this image, and then another guy being equally pathetic by saving it and sharing it around to satisfy his ego.

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Ok?

Not an argument.

How did you get all those images tho
This desu

haha u rly showed him fellow pede

Nazis don't really give a shit about "race struggle", at least not especially. Yes, their dialogue focuses on it heavily, but they're historically just as happy to kill their own fellow Europeans and whatever type of white citizen they consider parasitic or degenerate. Remember that aktion T4 even killed the fucking elderly and they even killed several thousand children for having disabilities, being troublemakers or having minor Jewish heritage.

Yes, the pathetic one is the guy who spent 10 minutes making that collage, not the trannies and assorted undesirables in that pic.
Come on leftypol...

>Yes, the pathetic one is the guy who spent 10 minutes making that collage, not the trannies and assorted undesirables in that pic.

Honestly, yeah. And I doubt it was 10 minutes.

I'd say the guy who has dedicated his life to fighting a bunch of like 20 gay teenagers on an anime imageboard about history is pretty fucking gay himself tbqh

Communists support mass immigration and racial mixing so that their dysgenic, criminal ideas could get a foothold in a Europe reduced to a lower cultural capacity.

>I'd say the guy who has dedicated his life
A pic = his life?
I mean, if you consider him to be more pathetic, it's fine by me, you're obviously partisan.

He posts these threads with the same images every day user, every single day

So you have a political belief?

Well so do a bunch of ugly people! Checkmate atheists!

mass immigration is inherently neoliberal

tribal tendencies dont look like they will be gone anytime soon but the definition of tribes changes and is not just ethnic

slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/

Everyone is okay with killing a traitor, if you are a commie; your death is a good onto itself. No matter your race. Everyone knows this

This explains why antifa and other communist attack anti-immigration politicians, volounteer to transport non-white economic migrants etc. Essentially doing everything in their power to dispossess whites

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>dispossess whites
>if an arab lives next to me i'm dispossessed
I wish white genocide was a thing so you'd experience actual hardship for once in your pathetic life.

Western civilization is more zealous with ideology than religion.
Checkmate Catholics!

>Well these hardcore libertarian socialists do things and that means communism
Do you understand literally anything about political theory? Antifa has always been an anarchist organization, they fucking hate commies just as much as Nazi's do

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Marxism doesn't work.

You sure showed me

europeans aren't the same but way more closer to eachother than say asia

its also inherently communist

Communist countries tend to have very strict immigration laws alongside a paranoia every immigrant could be a spy

noyce I'm tired of the same two leftypol fags always being on here. No matter what time of day / week I get on. They always just ignore arguments and can't even argue using marxist writings when it gets used against them. It's embarrassing so you think they'd stop or something

>syndicalism
>left wing
????

not Trotskyists which is what every modern marxist seems to be

Anarcho-syndicalism is considered left-wing as it relies on trade unions
College teenagers having a LARP isn't a good representation of any political ideology tbqhwy

every socialist group I see in my country are trots afaik. Even if they aren't they're all massively pro immigrant/multiculti/etc and they aren't just young people. The rank and file might be but the leaders are usually older men and women

>not Trotskyists which is what every modern marxist seems to be
you realize that trotskyism and marxism are antithetical to each other?

Trotskyite's is a very specific term user, I don;'t think you know what you're claiming, modern "leftists" don't really buy into anything more than "racism is bad" and "white people did bad stuff". They're despised by the unions, the entire groundwork of Trotsky's World Revolution

Oh Jesus Christ

Antifa is not an organisation idiot. The original Antifa was founded by Communist, the new Antifa are a bunch of autonomous groups mostly dominated by Anarchists, but you still have Communists that participate in Antifa groups. It depends on the city it is organised, some Antifa groups in Europe are predominantly Communist. There is no higher authority inside the Antifascist Action, there's no program or anything. Anybody can form a Antifa group if they like it.

>Antifa is not an organisation idiot. The original Antifa was founded by Communist, the new Antifa are a bunch of autonomous groups mostly dominated by Anarchists, but you still have Communists that participate in Antifa groups. It depends on the city it is organised,
You can say the same thing about the modern KKK.
>some Antifa groups in Europe are predominantly Communist
They are """communist""" aka progressive neoliberals. Notice how they all hate "evil authoritarian" Putin. The pussy riot crowd is not communist in any meaningful sense.

European Antifa is different than Americans Antifa. Here it's a bunch of adolescence with mental issues being retards together. In Europe they at least have a semi-decent ideological platform.

Not really, Trotskyism is almost as dead as the USSR, along with most of the other tendencies that formed after Lenin. There are still people who follow them, but honestly the core groups are Democratic Socialists, Anarcho-Communists, and the various currents of Marxist-Leninist thought.

t. Enver Hoxha

Ok user, try immigrating to North Korea and lemme know how it turns out..

>putin is communist

The class struggle is strongest within a homogeneous society, which is why both the capitalist parasite and his army of foreign labour must be expunged.

No one said that, the point is that they reject the potential for 2nd world socialism (i’d include assad and Gaddafi) against 1st world capitalism because socially speaking the 2nd world is conservative and traditionalist. is correct. modern antfia hates White ppl, hates Europe, hates Europeans, hates Christianity, hates men, loves gibs, loves brownskins, loves drugs and loves fags/trannies. That’s about as deep antafi is.

Good post, good blog.

Why ask a question that you already know the answer to? Tribalism is deeply ingrained in humans and will never go away

>The class struggle is strongest within a homogeneous society, which is why both the capitalist parasite and his army of foreign labour must be expunged.
Can you claim to be a communist and at the same time recognize a desired segregation of peoples via homogeneous societies? It seems like core Marxist doctrine claims that the only real differences between people are along class lines.

>It seems like core Marxist doctrine claims that the only real differences between people are along class lines.
do you know literally anything about marxism other than what /pol/ told you?
marx and engles were rabid racists.

Neoliberalism asks for immigration for cheap foreign labor. It's right wing because it accepts inequality, but you're a fool if you think that it's actually CONSERVATIVE or traditionalist. It's God is money, not the nation. Modern Marxists have very much lessened their actual class struggle for racial struggle and other socially "oppressed" groups beyond the working man. For their a actions against the traditional right, they play right into the hands of (((corporate oligarchs))) that are the original left's bourgeoisie and the right's third column parasite.
>laughing at this group of trannies, faggots, and other social and biological rejects makes you just as sad! Yeah!
the state of the Western left...

Concentrated and vocal effort for ethnic replacement or even intentional ethnic "lessening" is genocidal. It may not be Hutus running around with machetes, but it's simple fact that there are forces at work that vocally seek demographic replacement for it's in sake.

They're anarcho-communists
Communism has always been in bed with anarchism, communism demands a stateless society.

So now Juche is Marxist?

This is bullshit.

>Why did the coopting of 'race struggle' to 'class struggle'

>do you know literally anything about marxism other than what /pol/ told you?
What does /pol/ have to do with anything?

You aren't laughing though, you take it very very seriously, so much so that you come here every single day to post the same images in an attempt to fight the "leftypol menace"

>Back to /pol/, stormfag.
Here we can see a tankie trying to form an argument. Sadly, "back to to /pol/, stormfag." is the only thing the average Veeky Forums tankie can come up with when faced with opposing viewpoints.

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At least the austist in your picture actually goes out and fights for his beliefs instead of staying inside on an indonesian knitting website complaining about communism

>greeks never traveled to space yet they talked about stars and planets what the actual FUCK

There is no need to fight against communism in my country, or anywhere on this planet really. It's a dead ideology and apart from a few autistic teenagers no one takes it serious.

it's wrong though because Marx held jobs, worked as a journalist when his political beliefs were determined to be too extreme for university professorship, and was extremely prolific in his political/economic writing, which is itself what would be termed intellectual labor under marxist ideology.
people fail to understand, in our post-marx world, how revolutionary historical materialism was.

Who cares
Who cares
Who cares
He was a journalist
Engels only supported Marx while he was writing and researching Das Kapital which he died before he could finish volume 2.

>All applications of his theories have ended in failure

Read up on revolutionary catalonia before they got eaten by neighbouring communists and fascists.

I thought racism began when the ebil whites conquered the Americas and instituted a racial caste system to maintain white supremacy? Nope, I guess racism has only existed for little over a century. Prior, we all lived in peace and treated each other as equal brothers, right?

Both Marx and Engels were literal white supremacist, I don’t what you are talking about. They considered blacks, Mexicans, Indians, Australian aboriginals and Slavs to be subhuman and believed that there are racial differences in intelligence which are largely determined by genetics.

But this is my first time posting ITT, and I've never posted that image. Paranoid fruit.

>having a preference for your own race
>despise other races

But what if I'm in the Klan?
You see now I'm a big ol meanie and it's not like your opinions changed.

>Will Marxists forever pretend Humans don't have a nature and pattern of evolutionary-ingrained behaviors they can't change?
Can't speak for them but the old class of economic Marxists(aka left-wing libertarian autists) never truly believed in that stuff I think. Most of the Marxist that believed that shit was Jews living in the mid 20th century

>It seems like core Marxist doctrine claims that the only real differences between people are along class lines.

“We regard economic conditions as that which ultimately determines historical development, but race is in itself an economic factor. If, for instance, among us mathematical axioms seem self-evident to every eight-year-old child and in no need of proof from evidence that is solely the result of ‘accumulated inheritance.’ It would be difficult to teach them by proof to a bushman or to an Australian Negro.” - Engels in his 1877 Notes to Anti-Dühring

Marx didn’t think much of Mexicans. When the United States annexed California after the Mexican War, Marx sarcastically asked, “Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it?”

Engels shared Marx’s contempt for Mexicans, explaining: “In America we have witnessed the conquest of Mexico and have rejoiced at it. It is to the interest of its own development that Mexico will be placed under the tutelage of the United States.”

In 1887, Paul Lafargue, who was Marx’s son-in-law, was a candidate for a council seat in a Paris district that contained a zoo. Engels claimed that Lafargue had “one-eighth or one-twelfth nigger blood.”

In a letter to Lafargue’s wife, Engels wrote, “Being in his quality as a nigger, a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district.”

>In 1887, Paul Lafargue, who was Marx’s son-in-law, was a candidate for a council seat in a Paris district that contained a zoo. Engels claimed that Lafargue had “one-eighth or one-twelfth nigger blood.”
>In a letter to Lafargue’s wife, Engels wrote, “Being in his quality as a nigger, a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district.”
What the fuck was his problem?

>19th century Racialism and a 16th century caste system are the same thing

Excellent point, which isn't made nearly often enough. The Third Reich was white on white crime; virtually no nonwhite people died because of Hitler. Hitler essentially proclaimed that there were no human beings east of Germany. Saying there were no white people east of Germany would simply have been stupid; denying the humanity of Eastern Europeans is profoundly evil. I'm not mad at white nationalists, but anyone who thinks it's pro-white to wave the swastika has to be deranged.

ya got a source for this? all the websites talking about it were ideological bullshit.

>virtually no nonwhite people died because of Hitler

Eh, what about 6 million Jews?

Those were white Jews, not ME Jews.

>All applications of his theories have ended in failure

>you should totally read about this one time where it was totally working until it didn't.

Haha, the absolute state of commies

Sage for stupid fukcing pol topic that should be pruned

communists have 0 understanding of how economy works

Not really, class revolutions don't happen because most people, the majority that is, are dumb animals that cannot see or refuse to recognize that they are exploited. It is obvious that after the 2008-10 crisis, a revolution did not happen in the western world, not because of strong nationalist/racial identifications, but because most of the exploited were too afraid, believed in the superiority of a first world middle-class position, or more commonly just believed they were not exploited (what most often is used as justification "the iron law of the free market").

The state and nation state barely enters into the equation once you realize how capitalism works, it is nothing more than a puppet for capitalist interests.

Because most of the leftists turned out to be edgy borgeoise and remain so to this day, while the actual workers prefer more nationalistic ideologies over their internationalist bullshit.

>turned out to be edgy borgeoise
Ow, and I almost forget: also frequently jewish...

PRC still exists. If PRC isn't real communism then neither is the USSR under NEP or Stalin or anything else.

They are exploited, but they have a high standard of living due to living in a nation that exploits the labor of third world countries.

The better question is why are Marxists such thieving rats. No you can't have my private property you ugly rat.

>Marx didn’t think much of Mexicans. When the United States annexed California after the Mexican War, Marx sarcastically asked, “Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it?”
So you're saying he was against segregation and homogeneous societies? Imperialism is antithetical to that idea.

Class revolution is pure fantasy. It will never happen in developed capitalist countries because living standards are very high and economic opportunities abundant; the poor and downtrodden only compose a minority of the population.

Even if a revolution by an astronomical chance occur, who would lead the masses? The gaggle of retards and fuck ups who call themselves communists? Because that's worked out so well in the past.

Revolutions happen when things go to shit. It's not like revolutions happen just because people want the next best thing. Revolutions happen when a system collapses under its own weight or starts failing.

The premise of Marxism isn't that people will suddenly destroy capitalism because communism is cool. It's that capitalism will start failing the average worker, and in the shitfest that follows, a socialist state may emerge.

I would've been unironically a socialist tankie if modern communists and socialists were extremely against third world immigration and aposted multiculturalism.
Sad thing is that most modern commies are larping ""working class"" millennials who obsess over tolerance, race guilt and took concepts like egalitarianism and internationalism a bit too fucking far, forgetting the struggles of unions and the actual working class.

>when you go on stormweenie and there's a thread on strasserism but the weenies get triggered because it's too marxist for them and they care more about hating judeobolshevism marxist conspiracy instead of actually doing something about rich capitalist jews exploiting the hard working white man

Im not a stormtard or a nazi if you assumed this.
Im just consirned about my country demographics being fucked by import of foreigners for low pay slaves. I don't care about any nazi/strasserism bs or any antisemitic fetish you people obsess about.

But hey, nice strawman if that's what you were doing.

The Chad dialectical materialism Engels
The virgin race struggle Moses

zionism with left wing characteristics =/= national socialism

Hitler was a Zionist though.

>A current within Socialism which would become national socialism
"""National socialism""" is German autism over Fascism which is just another type of autism over Syndicalism which is a type of Socialism. Without Socialism you don't have Fascism since Mussolini and Sorel wouldn't be there in the first place.

Also Hitler was a literal Zionist