Why did huge African armies always seem to lose to a few white guys with guns?

Why did huge African armies always seem to lose to a few white guys with guns?

Examples:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blood_River

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rorke's_Drift

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_multiplication
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>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blood_River
The Boers had cannons, guns and a wagon fort
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rorke's_Drift
Zulu commander was an idiot hothead, British were far better disciplined, equipped and organised

That sure jingles my jangles

Technological and training difference

And it's not only Africans, Turks too would get BTFO by well-trained Yuropeans armies

>hothead

>Why did coons armed with spears and bows and arrows lose to rifles?
Pretty dumb question

>The Boers had cannons, guns and a wagon fort
The Africans outnumbered them 15-30:1. I think most armies should be able to overcome those odds.

Most armies don't face a fucking retard who thinks bush medicine makes them immune to bullets either

>dude greater numbers means we'll win lmao
Sure if warfare was boiled down to pure zerg rush tactics.

coons?

we're talking about people, not racoons

Coons, blacks, darkies, sambos, niggers, kaffirs. Whatever epitaph you feel appropriate

can't they just charge and overwhelm the rifles and cannons like in my "historical" video games

Because guns are really really really effective

thats how the soviets won retard

ZULUS ATTACK
FIGHT BACK TO BACK

Same reason Prussia, Sweden, and france defeated enemy armies while being outnumbered by 4:1. When you're way adavanced than barbarous savages like Russians, danes and Austrians you can do it.

Yes but they had comparable weapons not sharp sticks and leather shields

No it isn't you wehraboo cuck

>dude we're more advanced so we'll win lmao
Britain had way better technology than Germany at the start of WW2, but still got BTFO. You can't simplify battles down to things like numbers or technological superiority, there's far more to it than that. The French would have never won the battle of Hastings had the English, even as worn down as they were, not been utterly retarded in their tactics.

>epitaph

>epitaph

Wh*te crackers can't fight without guns, they know we'll beat the fuck out of them and breed their women with our superior BBCs.

Why do bronze age armies always seem to lose against modern militaries with guns?

why was Africa in the bronze age at the beginning of colonization?

WE

It wasn't, it was Iron Age

why was Africa in the iron age at the beginning of colonization?

Because they wuz real men

Because the world is not a strategy game and new technology doesn't magically get distributed around the world the moment it's invented.

Kush btfo Romans.

oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199846733/obo-9780199846733-0027.xml

But didn't white people cause them to not be like Wakanda?

>haha Wakanda meme
American niggers being fucking stupid isn't an excuse for you to act retarded as well

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_multiplication

What if China traded gun powder with Africa first and didn't trade it with Europe? Would Africans btfo Europeans and colonize Europe?

But the idea that African armies were always losing is completely false, read "Warfare in Atlantic Africa, 1500-1800"

Before the maxim gun, it was false.

Excerpts from Warfare in Atlantic Africa 1500-1800:

"In Angola, the fact that Europeans were not particularly successful,
and largely adopted African organization and
technique, certainly does not support the idea that African armies that did not
follow European models of organization were less effective. Above all else,
however, the ease with which Africa was conquered by European-led forces of
locally recruited African soldiers in the late nineteenth century has supported
the belief that the military backwardness that this event illustrates was a
permanent condition of Africa (even though the military transformations of the
Industrial Revolution are not fully considered in the assessment)."

"The Portuguese built the largest European colony in Africa in their
holdings in Angola, but the success of the colony was limited. No major
African power was conquered, and Portuguese arms only succeeded to the
degree that they adopted a considerable amount of African military culture,
as well as using thousands of African soldiers trained and usually led by
their own commanders in that culture. In many respects, the story of
Europeans in Angola is an important counterexample to the success of
Europeans (including Portuguese) in the Americas."


"The earliest European–African military contests, waged on
the Senegambian coast in the mid-fifteenth century, clearly reveal the
superiority of poisoned arrows to the armour that Portuguese marines wore
in the period, for the Portuguese accounts of the encounters constantly reveal
the fear they had of poisoned archery. Given the musket’s general inaccuracy,
musketry was most effective when masses of troops confronted each other,
and less effective when soldiers advanced in dispersed order (as they often
did in Africa) or in environments such as rainforest."

>.xml
no thanks

"To the infantry and cavalry forces of the savannah and Sahel, Sudanese
armies added watercraft on the rivers and along the coast, and their victories
over the Portuguese gave them a permanent influence in the future of
Senegambia. These watercraft were designed for use in the shallow waters
of the coast and estuaries, and were much better suited to the environment
than the Portuguese seagoing vessels. When the Portuguese sought to land
marine forces by longboat, African navies were able to bring up larger
forces by their own craft and stunned the invaders in a series of victories,
which allowed people from Senegambia southwards to dictate their relationship
with Portugal."

"Guns might not upset the balance of power even when borne by cavalry.
The Bambaras, for example, who were equipped with only “poisoned arrows
and sabres”, still managed to defeat Moroccan-backed cavalry armies from
the western desert with substantial numbers of firearms three times in the
first two decades of the eighteenth century.79 At about the same time, the
people of Khasso, feared as attackers all along the Senegal, were also armed
entirely with bows and poisoned arrows even as late as 1729."

“The impact of firearms was as slow and uneven in the southern part of
the Upper Guinea coast as it was in the savannahs north of it. Initially
they were weapons only of Europeans, and Portuguese and English musketeers
served as mercenaries in the armies of Sierra Leone during the Mane
invasion period of the mid to late sixteenth century, sometimes on opposing
sides.10 Their weapons, while valued, were not much imitated and people
of the region do not seem to have taken a strong interest in developing
their own corps of musketeers.

It was only in the later part of the seventeenth century, about the time
that the flintlock musket became available, that Africans sought to obtain
their own supplies and raise their own corps of musketeers. Muskets imported
from Europe began to appear in the armies of the Gambia and Casamance
in the 1670s as infantry weapons.11 In fact, the king of Casamance defeated
an English naval attack with continuous musket fire in about 1685.12 In
1726 one extensive Gambian war involving “most of the countries bordering
the river” occasioned, according to British traders, “vast demands for arms
and gunpowder”.

But the spread of firearms did not wholly replace older missile weapons.
When Francis Moore visited the Gambia in the 1731, he took pains to
praise the Fulbe of the region for their military prowess. Their weapons
included some guns, but they were still primarily armed with lance, assagai,
short cutlass, and bow and arrows, and most of the Mandinkas of the
riverine towns carried similar weapons and few guns in his day.14 The
poisoned arrows of earlier years were also still very much in use at the
time: a man in Niumi showed the Englishman a “vast number” of them,
each daubed in poison that was so “rank that it is only needed to draw
blood to kill”.15 Like wise, a French visitor to the Gambia as late as 1763
felt that guns were primarily confined to elite and guards units, and were
certainly not available to all infantry.”

You don't trust oxford?

So white people aren't the reason that Africans were/are basically cavemen?

They are not "cavemen"

Cavemen live in caves, Africans live in huts, fucking shithouse post. You can't even be racist properly

>implying turks aren't african

>ooga booga *chucks spear*
>not caveman

now THIS is aspergersposting

So why did you post a battle involving Egyptians?

Are we all going to ignore the failure of Rome against Kush?

>Look how retarded I am
Boring shit cunt, come on you can do better than this

Imagine you and 10 of your friends (as if), armed with knives, decided to gang up on a guy with a rifle 100m away.
Sure, it might seem you have the numerical superiority, but once you've ran 50m, are a bit out of breath, not to mention John, Tim and Sammy who are vomiting blood on the ground 20m behind you, you start to reconsider this idea and maybe get the fuck away.

Blacks are fucking stupid.

*abandons army in Egypt*

>epitaph.

>implying knights were soyboys
You would get beaten every time nigger.

Is that question directed at me or pic related?

Yeah they ignore it.

ooga booga *chucks spear* gib free shit white man
me oog me chuck spear

That's more like it

>soyboys
You said it, not me.

>Saying Britain got btfo
>Forgets about:
>North Africa
>Commando raids
>Bismarck losing to biplanes
>Battle of britain
>Germans having to rely on u boats cuz too beta to face Chad Brit Navy

Inb4
>B-but Dunkirk

Lack of animals you can use as livestock. With out that it's pretty hard to build a civilization, which they still managed to do

Oh my god, even a 10th grade boy know more about history than you, read a fucking book.

Humans have existed for 3 million years.
You're literally telling me that blacks are deficient because they were technologically 0.03% behind at one point in history.

and yet they domesticated other blacks instead of the zebras running around

Zebra's are cunts of an animal though, even the "taomed" ones sperg out and kick people to death

I'm pretty sure throwing spears at a machine gun is a bigger gap than 0.03%

Do horses not do that? Wild horses are mean as fuck

I'm pretty sure Europeans would not have these machine guns if China didn't trade gunpowder with them.

That's just the old boney magic working everyone lost to this guy.

Damage control, good move

Are you really comparing tamed horses going feral to a naturally feral breed of Equine?

Europeans went from throwing spears to machine guns in a timespan of 0.03% of human existence, that's what i'm using as a scale.

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>with guns

Are we all going to ignore queen Amanirenas of Kush, who btfo Rome multiple time?

SHOW THEM NO MERCY AND FIRE AT WILL
KILL OR BE KILLED

No they are stupid their war strategies are braindead.

>North Africa
bongs BTFO, Americans forced to invade to defeat Nazis

>Commando raids
bongs getting BTFO everywhere, pinprick raids only response but get BTFO on those too like Dieppe

>Bismarck losing to biplanes
Bismarck BTFO Hood in about 30 seconds

>Battle of britain
krauts decide not to invade Bongistan so bongs claim "victory", much like Dunkirk

>Germans having to rely on u boats cuz too beta to face Chad Brit Navy
bong navy sent to the bottom over and over again 'til Americans arrive to bail them out

>Bismarck BTFO Hood in about 30 seconds
Wow, a battleship built in the late 30's thirties defeated a fucking battle cruiser laid down in 1916! Great German triumph!

>krauts decide not to invade Bongistan
you mean they had no chance of succeeding in the first place

Read Warfare in Atlantic Africa 1500-1800

"Whatever happens, we have the maxim gun, and they do not"

>one civilization is using cybernetics and the other is using rock tools
>that's not a big gap, that's only .03% of human existence

>rock tools
Exaggeration, they were using iron tools
>cybernetics
Sorry but gun aren't "cybernetics"

Are i*TLians non-white?

>"Whatever happens, we have the maxim gun, and they do not"
How'd that work out for the bongs at Islandlwana?

>what is Maskirovka

You mean the one fought six years before the maxim was invented?

because geography :^)

Holy shit you actually have aspergers

Not sure, it's hard to keep all these bong BTFO's straight.

Cavemen (neanderthals) were actually smarter than africans (homo erectus)

I don't get the appeal of "lol Spooks," posting, but it comes with the territory. The idea that Negroes may have had some semblance of competence offends people.

lol the brits didnt think that

>epitaph

the Zulus at Rorke's Drift didn't lose, they stopped charging because they were never ordered to take such an offensive action in the first place, the leader of the Zulus intended to fight a defensive skirmish war to keep up the narrative of the Brits wrongly invading Zulu land.

The Zulu had just eliminated a much larger unit of British men a few days earlier with much more ease too

That's only because brits don't think.

Google the word "Isandlwana"

He's not a nigger you fucking cracker. Kill yourself for falling for this shit.