This fat fuck is telling me Alpha Males do not exist

>smaller less dominant males can become leaders by doing favors and grooming other chimps
Adam's idea of a leader is a literal cuck. Groomed any bulls today?

>Believing anything this cuck says

He literally cites (as much as this faggot cites anything) single descending opinion studies that are either debunked by other studies, or have been revised by the publisher(s) to correct errors that result in false positives.

He's a fucking problem mouthpiece of the regressive tumblr vanguard that is modern popular media. Fuck him.

VG recently debunked this pretentious douche on a video he made regarding obesity, which is funny cuz Adam is fat. dont take it for granted that this guy is correct in any way.
aslo, OP is a fag

>projecting gay crush
No homo amirite

Not really sure what agenda this guy is pushing but seems like bullshit to me, of course alpha males exist. If the video was titled Alpha Males should not exist in today's society it would be worth watching.

Lions do not trouble themselves over the opinions of sheep.

>depicts the alpha male as the stereotypical high school douchebag
>goes to make comparisons with wolves and bonobos
>puts the "Chad" in an uncomfortable situation like a game of D&D, in which by the way they mock him like the douchebag would do
>completely ignores the physical attractiveness factor
>contradicts himself by saying "beta" characteristics are better in the long run (he basically says alphas are shit people)

While I agree that applying black or white, alpha or beta, filters to humans is ridiculous, the concept of higher and lesser men will eternally be present. But really, it's not a bad thing, because humans are capable of adapting and striving for more. When I think about the biggest Chadlords I know, I realize they truly are nice people with good physiques and social circles. Those are the men they cry about in /r9k/, and yes, you can envy them for having the "easy life" or whatever you tell yourself, but if all you do is sit on your ass complaining about how unfair life is, you deserve to be called a beta. We should all strive to be the best version of ourselves, to be alphas.

oh, a faggot who mostly wrong because he only uses one-sided arguments which makes the average leftist guy feel good for themselves

also he's a fucking manlet beta faggot who uses mental gymnastics to feel in charge

wtf I guess now women can't be attracted to men with strong pesonalities

literally who?

LOL That weak chin virgin walk dude tried to groom adam's hair at 3:20

Am I still on Veeky Forums?

That was a polack from 8ch. They have horrible fit admins

This...don't know who he is, but he looks the male version of girls that color their hair purple.

what is the argument of the video? i'm not going to watch that shit, i'm surprised at the amount of thumbs up when youtube is supposed to be a right wing website

My bad, let me rephrase.

beta cuck can't deal with life and makes gay video lolololo

There, a nice contrib for the shit this board has become.

>Out of shape beta trying to tell guys they aren't alpha
What a surprise. Browsing Veeky Forums and working out in general has been the best damn confidence boost I could have asked for. Been having way more sex than ever before.
This video is pretty much made so that the beta audience that watches this show can feel reassured that they aren't complete failures at life.

>longer life
>better athleticism
>better appearance
>"What's the point if the specific set of personality traits I admire aren't somehow scientifically superior virtues to all the other ones?"

What's the point of gains if you're an insecure fucking child?

It's not his idea of a leader. It's an observation of the characteristics of actual leaders in chimp society. And it's only meant as a counter to the premise that "alpha" behaviors exist in leaders in chimps, even though the whole premise of "This animals does this, so must we." is stupid in the first place.

Honestly, call it whatever you want, you cannot debate reality.
Being confident and attractive is not a myth.

His final point was that "beta traits" are better for long term relationships. I wish he would have commented on the idea of "spreading your seed." Part of the idea is that polyamory would be an R-selected trait that would have followed us out of the primordial soup.

I think the good part of the video is the ending. You wouldn't be confident if you had to work with a bunch of MIT graduates on something you know very little about; you probably wouldn't want to challenge the leader and, if you did, people wouldn't follow you anyways so in that context you'd be a beta. On the other hand you might be an alpha when it comes to a social group that values a trait you dominate. The notion of a human that's an alpha everywhere he goes is ridiculous and unhealthy to pursue.

Uh why the fuck would I have to work with a bunch of MIT graduates on something I know very little about? In what fucking scenario would I be working with a bunch of people that are (I'm assuming) knowledgeable in this field and I'm the exception?

More likely in this scenario, I'm the one IN CHARGE of the project and the MIT guys report to me and I try to understand what the fuck they're telling me. Why the fuck would someone that knows nothing about this subject be working on a team of people that do? You'd get kicked off very quickly.

And In the case that you don't have a lot of knowledge for MOST of the project but they need you for some certain tasks during the development, so long as you have Alpha personality traits, you will still be the Alpha of the team.

Being Alpha isn't about being the smartest or the fastest or the strongest, it's about being the best leader. Having the most commanding presence. Being the most charismatic. Being Alpha is making people want to listen to you and follow you by your actions and the way you command a room.

>"problem glasses"
>entire world moves onto narrow circulat acetate frames but one guy is exceptional
This ain't about politics, this is about you probably wearing rectangular wire frames in 2017, which is autistic as fuck.

Wait, does Veeky Forums actually think alpha beta bullshit exist in human society in the first place?

I thought everybody just understood it was memes.

It is real. The studies back in the 70s, however, was wrong.

hello adam

I think that was a pretty bad analogy though.

First of all, his example with D&D only really applies if "alpha"="dumb high school jock".

There's nothing stopping someone from being fit, having a PhD, playing D&D...

And most of all, the most important part of being an alpha is being confident (as stated in the start of the video), and being confident != having a huge ego.

A "true alpha"* would just be honest with the DM and say something like "sorry man, this is my first time playing, what can I do in this situation?", instead of dropping spaghetti on the floor by pretending he knew what he was doing. There's nothing wrong in asking for help.

*While probably there is no "true alpha", I'm pretty sure that there are "true betas", so there's at least an alpha-beta spectrum.

Can someone with skill photoshop his neck to make it bigger? I want to see if neck theory works on a face like that

>normie girls know who he is
no they don't lol

it's as real as it gets
alpha and beta are just a name people give these positions men hold
only a woman that doesn't understand male relations would post something this dumb

>confidence doesn't exist
>shy loser males don't exist
what

This guy was completely wrong about multiple topics already, including trans fats.

Are you guys retarded? You can't just say because sometimes some people lead other people there is some clear cut strict social hierarchy among humans and males.

You retards will just use whatever random broscience and words to describe whatever dumb shit you want without any care for what any of it means. Please show me studies or anything that actually prove this beyond shitposting "if you disagree you are delusional!"

This reminds me of those surveys of planet fitness goers that suggests the "dad bod" is the most attractive male body.

Meanwhile tall, chiseled chinned, greek god looking men are getting 7 different girls a week on Tinder. Hell, just changing my profile description to say "I don't message first; make yours interesting" got me tons of more matches, and a shitload of girls message first now. Just couple it with some shirtless flex pics in gym mirrors and you're golden.

no
there are clear cut social hierarchies among males
if you're not a woman, which i highly suspect you are, then you are an absolute focking beta and you can't even tell lmao

i can't even explain it
you just know it
it literally starts when you're like 3 for boys and continues the rest of your life

you are saying you can't understand something a 3 year old boy can understand
just post tits already anyway

people flock to a leader. people want to follow a leader that takes action, and is confident/attractive/intelligent/physically fit.
like the other guy said, you're either a woman or a super beta that isn't smart enough to notice these things.

Nothing you retards are memeing about say anything about alpha or beta males and you do not understand these designations in animal society.

Jesus, I know this place is full of brainlets but holy shit stop believing every meme made up by the internet.

>tall, chiseled chinned, greek god looking men are getting 7 different girls a week on Tinder.
No they don't.
They're getting right swiped for the mean chads with a bit of a pooch and a giant dick outline.

Be in a group of guys you'll know the heirarchy.

It's pretty fucking obvious to all but the most autistic men and dumbest women what the hierarchy is with any given group of guys.

So you have no idea what alpha and beta designations are or anything of the sort?

Between having seen numerous threads about this faggot and that fat waste of space eceleb from /v/ I'm starting to hate this place more than I ever thought possible

His example is hot garbage, the girl describes and alpha male as someone who is "vin diesel", you know the guy who plays DnD and made a videogame off his movie? A literal nerd, but nerds can be alpha.

Except now you are just projecting your ideas of being a good person into social hierarchies. An alpha would not ask for the rules because they would set the rules. That's the entire point of social hierarchies like alpha and beta and the fact that people by your own admission would not conform to them is just further evidence they don't exist.

If you want to try to imply that some people posses certain traits like confidence go ahead, but that says nothing to actual human group dynamics, which are complex.

In Linux programming there are people who have no social confidence at all but would never let you, a chad, or anybody challenge their kernel programming decisions and they would systematically destroy you if you tried to challenge them based off your "alphaness," making people in that group follow them and not you.

There is no such things as alpha and beta in human social hierarchies and people fluidly change to fit the complex social needs they are in at any given moment.

>I'm too stupid to have ever looked at actual animal societies with alphas and betas and get mad when people correctly point out that those are not applicable to humans

t. Brainlets

Having a high social IQ in a nightclub is a different trait than knowing how to play DnD. You can't just call it "having a huge ego."

You often have to be assertive in situations where you're unsure, bluff, speak over someone else, and break rules if you're trying to get pussy as quickly as possible. When you're roleplaying in a table top game, you have very specific parameters like knowing the difference between gigantic and colossal. You need to know what you are, what you look for, and how to play under a strict set of rules.

The character Adam was playing wasn't a "dumb high school jock," it was a person who would be successful in a chaotic social situation. His argument was that no person is proficient in every situation. Maybe Adam's character was good at a nightclub, had a PhD, but sucked at DnD. Maybe you're fit, have a PhD, play DnD, but feel uncomfortable at a gay pride parade. Maybe you hate the desert heat at Burning Man. Maybe you find jazz bars to be boring. Maybe you don't like the DMV. Therefore, no matter how confident you are in a given situation, a comprehensive leader is not a real person.

If alpha males don't exist then beta males don't exist; if neither exist then there's no hierarchy - explain then how Tom Brady and your 35 year old stoner guy working at a gas station are on the same level. Saying there are no alphas is like saying that everyone is beautiful. If everyone is beautiful then no one is beautiful because beauty isn't beautiful if there isn't something ugly to compare it to.

On the same level of what?

>no matter how confident you are in a given situation, a comprehensive leader is not a real person.

true, but overarching qualities exist that can better your chances at adapting...someone who is sharp, flexible, ambitious and good grasp of human emotions will exceed in many situations.

On the same level of live. Success, looks, attractiveness to the other sex, respect commanded by peers, downright potential, intellect, etc.

Okay.

>oh yeah, you think you're confident? well then program a linux kernel, lol.
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. We are talking about alpha males that lead in most situations, not a super hero that is the best at every single strawman you can think of.

I'm the most alpha on Veeky Forums. Fuck OFF with this DEGENERATE DEBUNKING SHIT. IF ANYTHING, MY PRESENCE ON HERE COMPLETELY PROVES THAT ALPHA MALES EXIST.

Tom Brady is more monetarily successful, better looking, more attractive to the other sex, more respected by peers, has more potential, and has more intellect than my 35 year old stoner guy.

Maybe the stoner guy would out compete Tom Brady if they were both spies trying to keep a low profile in Boston. Maybe the stoner would out compete Tom Brady if they were both on a camping trip where a group of guys were trying to get as fucked up as possible

Saying there are no alphas is Adam trying to say that human society is too complicated to have a clean, precise hierarchy where one person is better than another because one person is always the leader and the other is the follower.

Take Jon Jones and Daniel Cormier for example. Jones proved that he was the UFC light heavyweight champion of the UFC last Saturday. He also has a long criminal history that still haunts him to this day. DC doesn't have a criminal history - he's also a dad, father, and he is a leader to the people at his gym. Jones doesn't have any of that (he has children out of marriage). Is your hierarchy of life only concerned with who the better fighter is? Is having more children more heavily weighted to your rankings than having social acceptance? Does Jones' criminal history have any weight compared to being a better fighter? These are questions that Adam would call ridiculous. DC is obviously a morally superior person but Jones is obviously a better fighter.

strawman harder PLEASE
tom brady will probably be a better leader/outcompete the stoner in 99/100 situations, that makes him the alpha male. just because stoner man might have some niche skill doesn't mean social hierarchy gets thrown out the window.

The Jon Jones/Daniel Cormier example isn't a strawman and is a better example. How would you stack them up against each other in a social heirarchy? You can't, it's a little more complicated than you're making it out to be.

>How would you stack them up against each other in a social heirarchy?

>better natural physical gifts
Jones
>more attractive to opposite sex/better looking
Jones
>more respected in his field
Jones
>earnings
I'm going to assume Jones on this one but I honestly don't know.

You can talk about morals or who is nicer or whatever you want but at the end of the day our, as humans, basic purpose for being here is to pass on our genes and love well while we're alive. Jones could have snorted the entire stockpile of coke in Columbia but he's proven to be the better fighter. The average woman would fuck him given the choice between the two guys. He's more valuable to Dana White as a fighter. Do you think the average person is going to care if he's a criminal? Do you think the UFC isn't going to have him fight more? As long as he's winning they will, and Jack Links or Monster or whomever will be more than happy to slap their logo on his hat that he'll wear to the cage.

That's because they don't.

The friendzone doesn't exist either.

So being an alpha male has nothing (0) to do with being a leader?

being an alpha male doesnt always mean being a leader, and vice versa. But most of the time, Alphas are leaders.

I'm pissing myself at all the "Alpha males" thumbs downing the video and leaving butthurt comments.

did you need a fake title to validate yourself? Has it hurt your delicate snowflake feelings?

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That sounds like a really arbitrary way to just be right no matter what sort of situation you look at. You sound like a person who is good at a nightclub but sucks at DnD

Classic Cultural Marxism.
In their skewed world view no man is inherently better than the other.
Not surprised by the video one bit.

this please

>t. Alpha

CH are all cucks. Adam is an idiot. Nothing in this video is accurate. Except that he's a beta.

What a fucking dumbass. Does this guy realize that the whole alpha dynamic has been proven to exist in apes? No one is arguing it exists in wolves.

underrated kek

>descending opinion
god you're a fucking retard

>Why the fuck would someone that knows nothing about this subject be working on a team of people that do?
How underage are you? This is like, every fucking management situation ever you NEET shitlord

>The average woman would fuck him given the choice between the two guys
I mean, your whole argument rests on this and you don't really have any evidence to support it

you aren't wrong, but people like Adam aren't arguing for that. They want people to become the most soft, agreeable, passive blobs they can. Look at the traits he promotes in the video- Agreeableness, kindness, and generosity. These are all good traits to have in a person, but he argues they are completely contradictory to the "Alpha lifestyle." Agreeableness, kindness, and generosity are definitely worthy traits but when you go overboard, you end up a spineless passive loser who lets people walk all over you. I don't like people like adam because they are trying to erase the drive in humans to better themselves, choosing instead to settle for an inoffensive yet unhappy lifestyle that can not sustain itself.

The whole alpha/beta thing wouldn't have any bite if it weren't for pseudo-sciences like evo psych spitting out worthless conjecture in order for people in that field to justify their own existence. Human social interactions are extremely complex, as is human psychology; any explanation for human behavior routed purely in tautological evolutionary terms is rarely accurate or comprehensive.

>Uh why the fuck would I have to work with a bunch of MIT graduates on something I know very little about?
I can tell the rest of this post is going to be projecting.

>people fluidly change to fit the complex social needs they are in at any given moment.
This I agree with.

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ITT: Veeky Forums ruins alpha males

>I mean
this is numale speech.
please correct yourself in future

Thanks Chad.

>planet fitness
>tinder

Two different self-selecting groups with two different sets of standards. There's no reason to take EITHER of then as authorities about attraction.

This man speaks the truth

You're the only brainlet here, Dunning-Krugerstein. You're right about human social dynamics being complex, but you fail to understand just how complex they are. There are hierarchies nested within hierarchies, and hierarchies parallel to those. Each person has their place in any given hierarchy at any given time and it's constantly in flux. You may be at the top of the Linux programmer food chain, but how do stack up on the Glendale heights all girls lesbian varsity nude cheer leading squad? You wouldn't last two fisting sessions.

Their are multiple dominance hierarchies. Being the at the top of the code monkey hierarchy, for example, won't bring you much pussy. Being at the top of a physical hierarchy will ensure at least short term relationships and hookups, but doesn't guarantee long term stability. You want to try and rise to the top of several hierarchies to be the Alpha. It's more of him being a beta who is sour and bitter about having not been successful in some of the key hierarchies used for reproduction, and making propaganda to try and convince girls that "he's really a nice guy."

He's basically the guy being mocked here.

youtube.com/watch?v=7wuAtXF1Lj0

Sure. Tell that to Cersei.

This is literally just a semantic argument. The kind of guy that the woman describes exists, whether you'd call him an "alpha male" or not.

Daniel cormier not even once.

Alpha-Male archetypes certainly exist.

The issue is that this little bitch is a Chad. This is what Chads look like in 2017.

He takes wolves and bonobo chimps. Why not just taking plain homo sapiens sapiens and analyse their "pack" behaviour in the past.

Every human tribe had/has an alpha male, these are called leaders.

A person that maintains recognition through skilled persuasion and wisdom. The leader has a large group of followers, both from his clan and from other clans. He provides his followers with protection and economic assistance, in return receiving support which he uses to increase his status.

Through the years these alpha males secured their progeny to lead and rule over the tribes, from which nobility arose.

So yes, there is unquestionable proof in the evolution of the human society that the alpha male is existent.

Collegehumor was never funny

>beta leftie nagging others into submission
nothing new ,this game is as old as communism