I've been celibate for 3 and a half years starting with discovering nofap in 2014

Confidence, strength, joy, less anxiety etc. You'd be surprised how much excessive sex/masturbation messes you up without you realising it

You are a real tool. I mean, if it makes you happy it's your choice in the end, but allowing yourself to be convinced into nonsense like this is embarrassing.

>"Not masturbating means you're asexual."

No.

If you're all edgy fedora tippers in here, fine. But the bottom line is, God created the laws of nature, and marriage is the law relating to sex for men and women.

Masturbation is absolutely not normal and shouldn't be viewed as such; it has only been seen in this way very recently. Throughout Europeans history masturbation was seen as a mental disorder.

How do you know thats the case when you dont masturbate or have sex?

Masturbation is normal. Even animals do it. And marriage is not. Its normal
In our society, but that doesnt mean its a natural law. We even dont have the same genes as animals who stay together for life.

I'm not always, but it's best to not watch explicitly sexual things. Then overtime your mind just drifts more away from it.

You think about what you look at when it comes to this.

If you desire a wife and children, you aren't going to fantasise about XXX degenerate scenes are you lol? So for me it has been a changing mindset

Because I have masturbated and had sex. I felt the downsides but didn't know they were the result of these things, shyness, some depression etc... and then I tried nofap, and my life was changed forever.

Nice b8 m8

It isn't normal. It's intrinsically disordered. "Our society" didn't create marriage, God did. Go ahead and tip your fedora now sir

Besides, the idea that animals masturbate to the point of orgasm for pleasure is an absolute myth. They itch and they touch their genitals but it is completely distinct from masturbation which humans do.

Also, animals have "seasons". Why is this? (Because God created the law of nature that dictates sex has its proper season."

Humans have declared "open season" on sex, and the results for men are very severe.

> Masturbation is absolutely not normal and shouldn't be viewed as such; it has only been seen in this way very recently. Throughout Europeans history masturbation was seen as a mental disorder.

Some big claims there bruh, and very little evidence to back them up. The negative attitude to masturbation is relatively recent and probably came about around the Victorian times, the ancient Greeks and Romans certainly had no problems with it. Also, if you knew anything about the history of Abrahamic religions you'd know that masturbation was primarily frowned upon because it was seen wasteful. Here, some food for thought:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_masturbation#Biblical_scholarship

Also, talking about god's intentions: do you think ancient hunter-gatherers were celibate until marriage? There was no marriage and there was no celibacy.

If sex cause depression an anxiety for you then youre mentally ill. Or you were a teenager and those issues resolved as you grew up. Then you blame it on sex and masturbaition

>"heh, actually, the negative attitude to masturbation was only for great Christian civilisations. Immoral and decadent Pagan Rome and Pagan Greece (who had sex with whoever) didn't think it was immoral.

That's the point. Sexual morality comes from God, so a Pagan nation being degenerates violating the nature law isn't really an argument.

>fictional character made by Jews in desert decided that touching your dick is a no no
No god created marriage some societies created it others didn't
Animals touching themselves for pleasure is well documented I'm going to take the word of years of documentation, scientists and things I've actually seen over some guy on Veeky Forums openly making claims that the slightest bit of research can disprove
Animals have seasons because of the availability of food, having offspring in winter when there is no food available lowers that chance of the offspring surviving significantly

Excessive Masturbation drains men of their energy on a consistent and increasing basis. Leads manifests as anxiety, shyness, and just general weakness that we see in modern men.

Masturbation leads to emasculation, hormonal imbalances and low T.

Women often say "where have all the real men gone", and it is true, they have gone. Ever since masturbation and porn became widespread, men have failed to mature past boys. T levels have plummeted .

Men have always masturbated
Test lowering nowadays is due to the lazy lifestyle and terrible diets of people
Also if masturbation makes men emasculated how come the ancients who were having sex and masturating all the time had such vicious warrior cultures?

Where in the bible is masturbation condemned as a sin?

Nice argument dodging there. Come back when you're ready to give me a convincing argument that the bible suggests that masturbation is actually anything but a minor infraction.

How swollen have your balls gotten. Probably not very because if you haven't busted a nut in 3 years with no issue odds it wasn't doing much to begin with.

Alright, well if you want to believe that all these complex and perfectly ordered systems created themselves randomly out of nothing, by accident; that is up to you.

Animals do not "masturbate" to orgasm every day (or multiple times a day) like some humans do. But besides, animals eat their own children and do other things that humans wouldn't do; the "animals do it therefore..." argument isn't a good one.

My balls got a lot bigger because they weren't constantly exhausted. They went to normal size, and stayed that way. Sperm isn't a waste product, it is nutrient dense and is simply reabsorbed by the body.

Many boxers and athletes have been celibate for longer than I have... Nevermind normal men. It's completely natural whereas abusing yourself is not.

Masturbaition doesnt cause low t levels. And isnt to blame for the "weakness" in modern men. You jump to conclusions without thinking this through, at all.

The "weakness" in men, today, comes from lack of exercise, overconsumption, feminism, lgbtq community, people dont need to learn handy skills and lots of other reasons. And another important reason is you who glorify the old days without knowing there were tons of bitchy men back in the days.
Modern men are slightly different because the modern society is very different. If you blame it on sex and masturbaition then youre wrong. Only people who are addicted tos ex and mentally ill people take harm from this.

How often do you get nocturnal emissions?

The Church Fathers were very clear on this issue from the beginning, masturbation is not a "minor infraction". It is a grave sin and is intrinsically disordered. This Christian (God given) moral code is what Europe was built on. The notion that European society as a whole at any point saw masturbation as normal is laughable. They saw it as shameful, disordered, and a sign of great weakness.

what makes you think your special? i haven't fugged in 4 years

As i thought, you have no biblical books, chapters, or verses that can support your outrageous claims.

/thread and sage you larper

The only laughable thing is the way you stubbornly try to peddle your nonsense. And only part of the foundations of the modern West are in Christianity, a lot of them come from the antiquity and even before that.

you fucked it up man, had me fooled but nahhh, gave it away.
faggot.

Masturbation does lower testostone levels, celibacy does raise testostone levels to the normal level..

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11760788/

There have been countless self reported cases of men doing nofap, checking T levels before and after, and having consistently higher levels of T. There have been men with low T stopping masturbating, going to the doctor, and having normal T again.

Why do you think boxers, bodybuilders and athletes like Mike Tyson and many, many others abstain from sex for long periods of time before a fight or event? Because orgasm weakens a man. I can't even believe this is in dispute as it has been common knowledge for ages. You can literally observe it in yourself. Men are often deflated after orgasm, it's a massive release of energy, abuse of it will cause problems.

>sees greek as decadent pagan
>starts thread with pic of greek statue
Ok

Every now and again. They are caused by lustful thoughts during the day that run wild during sleep.

Are seriously trying to argue that Masturbation is not a sin according to Christian theology?

Ask a Protestant, you don't even need to go into tradition. Obviously Orthodox and Catnolics agree here too... It's a sin according to Christianity. Any sexual act not for procreation within a marriage is...

Jesus literally said that if you look upon a woman with lust you have committed adultery in your heart...

Paul says the effeminate will not attain heaven, (effeminate is a word used to describe chronic masturbators, like it or not.)

Haha you got me there! They were decadent sexually, I don't think anyone would argue that. Good statues though

What the actual fuck. This thread isn't relevant to fitness at all. Either tell us how being a celibate has increased your lifts or go back to /pol/ you nigger.

bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/07/12/bjsports-2017-097792

Hormone levels within normal range doesnt do shit for performance.
And by your logic the people with the highest test levels and the manliest men should be virgins. Yet, the vast majority of them are social outcasts.

>even animals do it

Kek feel free to post any footage of any animal masturbating

I always knock when I get home in case my dog is mastubating

livescience.com/12944-animals-evolved-masturbate.html

Heres a few of them.
and dogs are known to hump pretty much anything

>""""researcher"""" stares at an ape enclosure for 4 days
>apes touches genitals
>rubs and itches slightly
>"WOOOOO THEY DO IT!! I'M COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED DOING WHAT I DO!!"

>*rubs genitals on a tree*
>"sex toys in the wild"

Only degenerates attach hedonistic/sexual motives to these things

Its a sin accorinding to 'Christianity'

You are floundering, grasping at straws, running out of leg room etc etc and its embarrassing.

You can masturbate without looking at or imagining a woman. Masturbating does not necessarily make a man effeminate.

>catholics

Wew

Its as if they think works will earn them a place in heaven. Oh wait...

Jesus Christ.. wtf is wrong with you?

Masturbating is a healthy thing and should be done if you're not having sex.

What? Virtualy every single Christian denomination believes masturbstion is a sin. literally all theologians and saints throughout history agree that it is a grave sin...

Are you a Christian? Do you honestly believe masturbation is not a sin? If so, what denomination are you, why do you believe this?

You seem unfamiliar with the bible. Masturbation is not a sin. Point blank period. Tradition is all you have to support this utter nonsense. Its incredibly upsetting to see people advertising their own theories and beliefs in the name of Christ.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will strike him with the plagues that are written in this book.

Rev 22:18

See the reason for your complete confusion is because you are still wrapped up in catholic memes. I will make it simple.

Gods word > words of men

You are simply a confused non-denominational heretic who thinks he is following Christianity, but doesn't know what Christianity is.

Pridefully exalting yourself above the saints, saying masturbation isn't lustful, is not going to change a thing. The great saints of the past were extremely hard on masturbation, not only is it shameful and selfish, it is contraceptive... Another grave sin.

Sex is for procreation. Lusting is a sin. Sexual conduct for pleasure is a sin. Sexual conduct outside a marriage and with your partner is a sin. You say masturbation doesn't have to involve lust? Are you out of your mind?

Will you feel this confident standing in front of Jesus if you aren't free of this vile affliction? Will you give Jesus the same "it's not a sin, period."?

Your positions are just another example of why the Protestant heresies of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide lead to wickedness, confusion, and justification of ones own passions.

Clement of Alexandria
"Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted" (The Instructor of Children 2:10:91:2 [A.D. 191]).

Clement of Alexandria
"To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature" (ibid. 2:10:95:3).

Lactantius
"God gave us eyes not to see and desire pleasure, but to see acts to be performed for the needs of life; so too, the genital ['generating'] part of the body, as the name itself teaches, has been received by us for no other purpose than the generation of offspring" (ibid. 6:23:18).

Epiphanius of Salamis
"They [certain Egyptian heretics] exercise genital acts, yet prevent the conceiving of children. Not in order to produce offspring, but to satisfy lust, are they eager for corruption" (Medicine Chest Against Heresies 26:5:2 [A.D. 375]).

Tell me in the bible where it says lustfully spilling your seed on the ground to satisfy your own pleasure is okay?

Does it say abortion is a sin in the bible? No, but it says killing is.

Does it say masturbation is a sin in the bible? No, but it says that lust is, and that sex is only for procreation.

Are you aware that every single Christian was Catholic for 1,000 years after Christ died? Are you aware that only in 1054 did Catholic and Orthodox split? Are you aware that Luther only created his sect in 1500? Are you aware that non-denomination Christianity is only a few hundred years old, and even Luther and Calvin would have said it was not Chrisianity?

'The great saints'

WOW^17

ARE WE BOTH TALKING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY HERE? THERE IS NO 'GREAT' MAN OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST.

What part of

Gods word > words of men

did you not understand? AGAIN, You have provided N0 substance and instead have resorted to statements based on false dichotomies and quoting MEN.

Either the bible is the word of God or it isnt. If it is, the words of men literally do not matter in comparison. If you believe that it is not the word of God, throw it out.

The bible is the word of God. And it has been correctly interpreted by the saints (who were great men) and the early church for 1,500 years before your type came around and started spreading this nonsense.

Again, I will ask, where does it say in the bible that masturbation is okay?

It says lust is a sin. It says procreation is the only point in sex. It says sex is for between one man and one woman, so where does it say in the bible that masturbation is okay?

It says this too:

Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

Also, God killed Onan in Genesis for "spilling his seed on the ground". Why on earth do you think masturbation is not a sin?

Is the law not wrote in our hearts? Is masturbation not one of the most shameful acts imaginable? Would you tell your Dad you masturbated and it was fine? If not, why are you telling your Heavenly Father it is fine?

>correctly interpreted by the saints

What is this supposed to mean?

'that is not what the passage is saying. God condemned Onan not for “spilling his seed” but because Onan was rebellious. Onan refused to fulfill his duty to provide an heir for his deceased brother. The passage is not about masturbation but about fulfilling a family obligation.'

Because masturbation is not directly refrenced it is automatically a sin. Obviously this is silly.

My point cannot be refuted using the bible, Masturbation without lustful thoughts is not a sin.

Why would you compare your relationship with your earthly father to your heavenly one?

Oh jeez this is long and ridiculous. You have nothing but memes and traditions. Give it up.

If you dont want to masturbate to increase testosterone or because YOU are incapable of masturbating without lustful thoughts or maybe to make yourself feel more holy fine go do your thing. But dont claim your actions are biblically or Christian based.

Are we done?

We are done with this:

>"I'm not willing to give up the sin of masturbstion so I'm going to lie to myself and say it isn't a sin, discarding logic, and dragging the early Christians, bible, and saints through the mud."

If you are content to leave it there, so be it.

You know the people in heaven, the earth Christian weren't non-denominational, right?

I ask this; is it worth going to hell for masturbation?

Also, the idea that you think masturbation isn't inherently lustful is absurd. LUST is a sin. Not just fantasies in your head. Masturbstion is a result of LUST. It cannot exist without it.

>"the sin of lust consists in seeking venereal pleasure not in accordance with right reason...”

You didn't answer my question, because you know in your heart masturbation is shameful and wrong. And you would not admit it anywhere other than on an anonymous internet board.

I have sex several times a week and also masturbate.

How does it feel that I lift heavier than you and look more aesthetic?

>Are you aware that every single Christian was Catholic for 1,000 years after Christ died?
Catholic usually means roman catholicism, so no, your statement is wrong. See pic related

Here we go... The Church was called Catholic in the first century. It has the same doctrine as it does today. We can see this in the writings of the Church Fathers.

Also, the Church was always Roman. As it was founded by Peter and Paul in Rome.

The Church is : Holy, Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic... In short; your graph is an anti-Catholic lie.

The Graph would be correct if the red Roman Catholic line ran through the centre, with the Easten Orthodox breaking off at the point of the Great Schism.

This dishonest graph makes it look like Nestorian heretics are original Christians more than Catholics/orthodox lolololol

>god
haha

Pic is a quote from Ignatius... It seems the early Christians were very Catholic.

God will not be mocked friend

The reason people defend porn and masturbation is because that's all they got. They have been brainwashed since an early age to think it's natural to watch other people have sex and so they volunteeringly castrate them selves on a daily basis. They claim it isn't harmful but they can't even quit it for a week.

youtube.com/watch?v=n9LUoWfeNac

Do you not have wet dreams? I can't go much longer than a week of no fap/no sex without this happening. Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

You get them occasionally. I would say they are 100% preventable. They are a manifestation of lust. If you lust during the day, it will happen at night... There is no cheating.

There are ways to massively limit them, like not going to bed with much in your bladder, and sleeping on your side. Not turning on either your front or back will stop them too.

Amen brother! Good on you fleeing Egypt
>Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice

Yes, this is correct. They are a manifestation of your flaw, which I think is the lack of prayer. In terms of neuroscience, this:
>sleeping on your side. Not turning on either your front or back will stop them too.
Correlates with dmPFC activation, which is the only rational force against masturbation and addiction. The dmPFC is part of a brain network called Default Mode Network that qualifies you as an individual, gives you a sense of self and hope, and is responsible for something called the Theory of Mind.

All this being said, you are delusional when you talk like that about Non-denominational Christians. In your mind are simply attacking the weakest group, which you see as competition. You are playing with fire however, as the words you say will always come back to you. That is, of course, in the case you are the poster of said post. One day this Catholic heresy will end.

Have you read the original Christians? They were Catholic in doctrine.

Non-denominationalism is a grave sin according to the early Christians. But I suppose you would know more than them? Know more than the ones who learnt from the apostles?

>Quote related is from before the Catholic Church even decided on the Canon. That's right, the Catholic Church complied the bible, and declared what was and was not inspired by God.

>"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." —Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8

>Below is a quote from Irenaus from the 3rd century, discussing people like you:

>"But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul—that church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world. And it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition" (Against Heresies, 3:3:2).

>nature
>marriage

u wot m8

>First quote is Ignatius, forgot to type it.

>Here's another from Igatius (who died right at the start of the 2nd century)

"But inasmuch as love suffers me not to be silent in regard to you, I have therefore taken upon me first to exhort you that you would all run together in accordance with the will of God. For even Jesus Christ, our inseparable life, is the manifested will of the Father; as also bishops, settled everywhere to the utmost bounds of the earth, are so by the will of Jesus Christ… Let us be careful, then, not to set ourselves in opposition to the bishop, in order that we may be subject to God." —Letter to the Ephesians, Ch 3,5

>Ignatius recognizes the authority, or “presidency,” in particular of the Church at Rome:

"Ignatius, also called Theophorus, to the Church that has found mercy in the greatness of the Most High Father and in Jesus Christ, his only son; to the Church beloved and enlightened after the love of Jesus Christ, our God, by the will of him that has willed everything which is; to the Church wich also holds the presidency in the place of the country of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honor, worthy of blessing, worthy of praise, worthy of success, worthy of sanctification, and because you hold the presidency of love, named after Christ and named after the Father; here therefore do I salute in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father." —Letter to the Romans, Intro

That's nothing, I've been (involuntarily) celibate for 23 years

Mirin

But nah, celibacy is only true celibacy if there is no masturbation or anything else.

This

fitness is not only lifts, man

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature.

Did you suffer from nightly ejaculations?

I suffer from those when I do nofap for more than 5 days.

>fapping is unhealthy and abnormal.
>t. Christian pseudoscientists
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html?zx=5c392185e96536fa
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation#Health_effects
>news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/researchers-say-frequent-ejaculation-could-save-mens-lives/news-story/dedd2ce2cb85c9cf6ff67f24c455dbe5
>europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
>webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
>urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
>frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
>m.joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/52/1/51.short
>answers.webmd.com/answers/5004889/what-nutrients-do-you-lose-when-ejaculating-or-masterbating-do-you-lose-testerone-
>healthtap.com/user_questions/1294935-how-long-does-your-body-take-to-replace-the-nutrients-lost-by-masturbation

fuck off kyke

Was porn and masturbation encouraged to soften the population by (((them)))?

No
>kyke
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