How autistic is it to bring microplates into a gym for OHP?

Hadn't seen before, Does it make a big difference? I'm probably not at a level where they're needed though.

I not only took a set in, I left them there so anybody could use them.

>caring what some strangers think of you

must be hard to live like that

Not really, it solves a problem that can easily be solved in other manners, but it's the best solution if you must follow the autistic american linear progression model to its logical end.

.5kg plates are used in competition obviously, but I don't really see much training value in them and have literally never known anyone to use them in training.

They're very handy in ohp and bench it looks silly but I am convinced that they're the reason I can bench 130 kg and ohp 84 kg

What other manners can it be solved?

You don't need them. People that can bench and/or press way more than you have never used them, as I said, only purpose is to follow linear progression model to an autistic degree.

I've an intermediate borderline advanced squat/deadlift/bench but i cant ohp past 115. What do?

Train OHP

Tell me your programs, I can probably help.
Programs

Add 2.5kg every 2 weeks instead

Atm texas method

Monday :
BP 5x5
SQ 5x5
OHP 4x6
Tricep ext 3x8

Tue :
Deadlift 1x5
Block pull 3x5
Chin up 4x6
GHR 8x3

Thu:
BP 3x5
SQ 3x5
Row/face pull alternate 3x8
Abs 10 mins

Sat:
BP 1x5
SQ 1x5
Chin up 4x6

>He trains at a commercial gym

Train at a specialized gym (weightlifting, powerlifting, strongman) with coaches if you ACTUALLY want to become good.

>Ohp and bench same day
>texas method

Simple, for you, just press more often. I can also tell you that sets above 3 are largely useless for actually getting stronger.

There are none in my area

I have never seen microplates outside of competition and I have competed in both powerlifting and weightlifting, is this normal in USA to keep?

>in america you have to bring your own weights to the gym
wait is this true? lmao

not as autistic as stalling for longer than 2 weeks is

Lets say you do SS and switch between doing OHP and bench 2 times a week. If you put 1.5 kilo on those each session then that is 3 kilo's one week and 1.5 the other. That is 3 kilo increase one week and 1.5 the other. That is a lot of weight you are putting on your bench and OHP.

>he hasn't read ppst3
Why embarrass yourself like this?
Guys stronger than me do loadsa different things I know guys who bench 4pl8 for reps that only train upper body and bench once a week that doesn't cut it for me.

You're forgetting to diddy!

No routine is complete without diddying!!!

3+3 = 6
1.5+1.5 = 4
10kilo a month is pretty solid progress desu

Or you could switch to a more sensible program instead of autistically adhering to linear progression principle and likely get a 10kg+ pr in 4 weeks.
>Guys stronger than me do loadsa different things I know guys who bench 4pl8 for reps that only train upper body and bench once a week that doesn't cut it for me.
i.e. they get an obscene amount of volume for support musculature etc. and then pr, imagine how much they could lift if they actually practiced their skill as well?

In fact they would be like bench press specialists, as that is pretty much exactly how they train

>Or you could switch to a more sensible program instead of autistically adhering to linear progression principle and likely get a 10kg+ pr in 4 weeks.
Why would you do that when its more efficient to microload? You'll probably have faster gains when microloading then doing periodization. You are also getting new PR's every time you enter the gym. Its also not needed to do more complex programming for someone at that stage.

>You'll probably have faster gains when microloading then doing periodization
Probably not, in your projection you say 10kg in a month? At end of a good training cycle a beginner could very likely achieve a greater PR, not uncommon to see people making even 20kg PRs on lifts.
>You are also getting new PR's every time you enter the gym
I don't understand why this matters, this sounds like instant gratification ADHD mentality to me
>not needed to do more complex programming
actually, if you are at point where you need to buy specialized plates in order to get stronger, it is most certainly prudent to change programs (unless of course one autistically must adhere to linear progress model or session to session progress)

Seriously, of the 4 WL clubs I have visited here in my country, all of them have microplates just lying around in supply closet only brought out for meets.

He's probably the type that believes people can judge rpe pre 2-3 years of lifting

I don't use micro plate but i have little chains that weigh 200g each, I add them it helps to progress on overhead press

You think 3x5 10kg pr is comparable to a 1rm ? Do you think it's clever to have novices attempt 1rms once a month?

Are you okay?

Beyond the newbie phase you are not gonna do 10kilo personal bests monthly. 10kilo a month is massive progress that you will only experience in your early phase of linear gains.

>I don't understand why this matters, this sounds like instant gratification ADHD mentality to me
That is because you are a moron.

>actually, if you are at point where you need to buy specialized plates in order to get stronger, it is most certainly prudent to change programs
Or you just keep slapping on plates every time you train and enjoy the gains.

Its hilarious how you keep repeating "autiscally adhering to.." Its not autistic, its simple, straight forward and it works.

if one rep max increases sets of 5 must logically increase.

and if they can't progress on a session to session week to week basis as normal they are not really novice.

but you are right, perhaps this is drastic, I think first and easiest step I would do is reduce repetitions in set and increase amount of sets if possible

>Beyond the newbie phase you are not gonna do 10kilo personal bests monthly. 10kilo a month is massive progress that you will only experience in your early phase of linear gains.
Yes I am aware of that, I specficially said it is common for people progressing to beginner training.

And really, I just find this very confusing, I have never seen people train with microplates in real life.

I thought you guys are discussing ss a novice program. In which case having them attempt a 1rm when they can barely have the form down is callous.

Also programs such as this fails novices in that the retard that came to the gym won't be able to give you an accurate 1rm for you to base their programming on

if you need this, you are done with linear progress as far as I am concerned.

And a major part of what a training cycle IS is skill improvement, thus making you more efficient and therefore safer.

At least you aren't brad dingleberry bringing in fake weights into the gym

>if one rep max increases sets of 5 must logically increase.

no.

I'm and I agree with you in commercial gyms you will never see them in black iron gyms I have seen only one Olympic lifter use them to test out his maxes pre comp but dunno I just like emancipated and if the weight keeps going up I don't play around with programming.

I have weightlifted for two years, trained at 4 clubs and never see them outside competition either

powerlifted for 4 years before that and never saw then either. I feel like it is maybe a cultural difference

i have always struggled with OHP. i just switched over to snatch presses, which are progressing much better, the form is a lot more restricting and difficult to cheat, and it hits the delts immensely harder than OHP. i'm already snatch pressing almost more than my OHP.

OHP is one of those lifts that just did fuck all for me. snatch presses are the fuckin way to go, BUT you need good shoulder mobility and knowledge of what a safe press feels like or don't even attempt them.

But you can still linearly progress just as when you first start squatting you can easily add up to 10-20 lbs per session if you started conservatively then you go down the only difference is squat and deadlift utilities bigger muscles thus it's better to stress them more.

well yes, true to an extent.

I am however personally not interested in seeing how much weight an individual can lift for three sets of five ad infinitum but rather how strong the individual can get in absolute terms

i bring mine for bench. showed this guy who i talk to there who is a cool guy, he laughed and told me that he didn't take it that seriously.

bitch nigga is far smaller and weaker than me however.

That's what comps are for no one relevant cares about your gym prs.

but what is the point when you could improve skill, not have to struggle (both physically and psychologically) with lifting a maximal weight (for you) every session and very likely come out with a big PR at the end? This is what I mean by autism, it also seems like very short term thinking and not really necessarily too mindful of athlete longevity

is that true? i'd say you were right. when the fuck did a 225 bench increasing to a 315 bench not increase the 5RM as well?

holy shit. maybe if you can optimize your form to squeeze out another 1kg on your squat 1RM then it wouldn't be true but come on.

my gym has .25kg and .5kg so i dont have to bring mine, but might as well if yours doesnt

But you would agree that being stronger in absolute terms will generally make you stronger in any other rep range (even if likely not as much as if you specifically trained THAT one rep range) no?

well it is somewhat different skill sets is what means I think, which is true.

What for? Genuinely asking?

sacrificing strength for skill is retarded at the beginner stage. build your foundation, then start skill focused training when adding more muscle becomes comparatively more difficult. at the beginner level, or even the intermediate level to some degree, getting bigger and stronger is absolutely the quickest way to progress.

we all know this, pull your head out your ass cmon

Skill will still improve since you are lifting heavier weight with same reps. The aim is for you to squeeze out as many of those no on gains as possible some people can easily continue microblogging for another month or two before they deload. No person lifting end stage novice weights for 3x5 will have psychological wear and this coming from a guy that did ss on a cut psychological wear is the stuff you get when peaking pre comp or my worst experience is Texas method on a cut.

And getting stronger in 3x5 will get you stronger 1rm once you train yourself to handle heavy weights

what I'm saying is if you need specialist plates I would no longer say you are at a point where linear strength progress is feasible. Though not necessarily you would need a longer training cycle but you could also create additional volume through accessory exercises.

But either way, this really sounds like a culture crash situation. Note that I am also coming at this from a weightlifting perspective, not a "fitness" one.

why would you not eek out as much LP as possible with whatever plates you have, if it would result in faster strength improvement than other methods, which is often does, especially with lifts like OHP or weighted chins? better make the best possible use of LP whenever you can cause you'll sure as hell miss it later. who gives a shit that conventional gyms don't normally keep small plates, its a totally arbitrary cut off you have come up with. your loyalty should be to the strength increase, not to the crossing of a made up line at which LP is purposefully abandoned.

to reiterate, i argue this purely in the case that microloading would result in faster gains than other methods. apologies if this comes off as harsh. it just seems like a made up problem.

>In Europe, you have to bring your own pl8s to the gym

lmao fucking europoors

I just do extra reps. Are microplates really better?

But I would argue that abandoning linear progression (i.e. to lift as heavy as possible every session) IS most conducive to long term strength, as sub-maximal training improves set quality, thus improving skill, minimizing injury, better managing stress (so as to avoid regression) etc. etc.

when it comes to microplates LP is almost over anyway. why not abandon LP when it runs out, which it will anyway? then you can move to greater exercise variation, more volume, weekly/monthly progression etc

Very autistic and dumb because most 45 lb plates are like a couple of lbs heavier or lighter than they should be, so those dumb microplates only make sense if you always use the exact same bar and plates to do your lifts.

I did this before. Never again.
>buy two 2.5 lb plates from Craigslist because gym has like one pair that is always taken
>nervous to use them at the gym since I've never noticed anyone doing anything like this
>take a little bag Spongebob-themed with me to carry them in
>head to gym, change clothes, and head to the open squat rack
>feel like everyone is staring at me for using these different plates, so I fail a set
>decide to deload slightly and take off the 2.5 lb plates with some other weights
>as I'm unracking the weights a guy asks if he can use the 2.5 lb plates
>fuck no, these are mine
>in reality: "y-yeah sure" (forgot to mention that they were mine as well)
>think to myself that I'll just grab them back when I'm done
>turns out that he ended up handing the plates to a thicc fit girl when he was done
>she's doing lunges with them
>too autistic to approach her
>spent what felt like forever staring at her a few feet away from her waiting for her to finish
>decide I've waited long enough
>start saying "those are my plates", but say it in a weak voice where she doesn't even notice I'm speaking
>walk up to her and tap her on the shoulder, she freaks the fuck out
>say "those are my plates" again, except my voice calibration was still off and I end up saying it a little too loud
>everyone around us stops talking, and I can feel their eyes are on us
>turn around and leave the gym as fast as I can, don't even take the plates
>let the last 5 months of my yearly membership expire
My new gym has 3 sets of 2.5 lb plates at least.

Well, I'm not a fan of "running out" LP in the first place as I fear it often can cause many bad habits, regressions and sometimes injury, so it seems a little silly to me to break out the competition plates or even buying your own to bring to the gym.

Of course either method will get you stronger, so go for it if you want. I would also add that really the best choice is getting a coach.

fair enough, either or i guess

Why is it that gyms either have 100 2.5lb plates or like 3 for the entire gym? There is literally no middle ground. My college gym had so fucking many 2.5lb plates that they would be littered over the floor because there was no where else to put them.
The 24 Hour gym in my hometown literally has fucking 3 plates and they are always being used by some 50 year old lady doing leg press. Meanwhile, the 24 Hour has those gay fucking 35lb plates that are just fucking retarded. Seriously, no one wants to use the 35lb plates, there is no reason to have anything between a 25lb and 45lb plate.

RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What the fuck? Are you for real?