Thoughts on r/askhistorians? Seems to me like one of the bery few tolerable subreddits

this It is impossible to discuss any topic remotely controversial. Everyone has to bend over backwards to make the nazis look bad even if you are discussing at what distance a sherman could penetrate a panzer IV's frontal armor. If you discuss a civilization from outside Europe, everyone has to be fawning about how brilliant they were compared to Europeans.

The fact that they don't believe in "winners are the ones who get to write history" means they are fucking retarded.

That's wrong though, writers write history

*Procures popcorn

>The fact that they don't believe in "winners are the ones who get to write history" means they are fucking retarded.

The fact that you do believe that means you're fucking retarded.

Think reddit and its posting style is pretty execrable, and I don't know what I'd do if this site didn't exist, and I had to use reddit to unwind. That said, history sounds like one of the few things adapted to reddit's style, where you need an authority via the OP or what the most upvoted comment is, even if it doesn't invite much contest.

I like it here too, but this site blows for doing that. Whenever there's an any actual authority figure on a given subject, most armchair historians here realize how out of their depth they are, and the whole thread grinds down to just waiting for the actual historian to give his spiel, no one able to refute him and threads die that way.

Anyways, the subreddit is decent for getting sources. Their rigidity about including them means it's always useful getting yourself acquainted with what posts are good for "X" period, theme, event...

big if true

death to reddit Tbh lads, regardless of subject matter
t. history grad

>Everyone has to bend over backwards to make the nazis look bad even if you are discussing at what distance a sherman could penetrate a panzer IV's frontal armor.

Do you have any links to posts where happens?

Same for

>If you discuss a civilization from outside Europe, everyone has to be fawning about how brilliant they were compared to Europeans.

I mostly stick to French history posts, so I'm curious to see what you mean.

But that's wrong. Ex-Confederates and such rewrote the entire civil war, and it's the main narrative to toss day: state's rights

>where you need an authority via the OP or what the most upvoted comment
The problem is that the most voted comment isn't necessarily the best, nor even just a decent answer.
There are some subjects (mostly media recs) that I need to go to Reddit for, so I tried getting into that sub too. I gave up quickly. Every other thread was topped by a bullshit answer from a thousand karma user, who by virtue of being well known could post whatever the fuck wanted without sources nor moderation.
AskHistorians is basically a overmoderated Veeky Forums with verbose answers that ultimately say very little.

>Anyways, the subreddit is decent for getting sources.
I've noticed some of their stuff is plagiarized from Veeky Forums charts (which is in turn plagiarized from oxford bibliographies)

/r/cuckold is the only place I visit
It's gone to shit in the last 6 months too

I know some of them come to Veeky Forums because there's been a few times I've seen people quoting passages or sharing explanations that I've posted here. Which, obviously I didn't create the explanations myself since they're based on what I've read, but when my explanation combines quotes and information from about 6 different sources and then someone else just happens to be able to explain the same exact thing in the same order, it's too much to be a coincidence. It's kind of neat.

The only subreddit I browse is /r/opieandanthony so I can feel better about the fact that I have to report to federal prison on drug charges in June.

Despite usual Veeky Forums spergery about it, it's not a bad sub, probably one of the best.
The main problem is people treating like a discussion board, which it isn't really intended to be. Also the usual reddit upboat nonsense and powerusers. is bullshit from what I've seen.

If you think it would be better unmoderated, replace reddit/link with ceddit. You can see some of the deleted comments.

Reddit is better than Veeky Forums in every way possible.

This but semi ironically

I made posts over there on an area of history I specialize in that got deleted for bullshit like this . One response I made got a bunch of upboats and people saying "good answer" and a mod deleted it because he didn't like one of my sources.

There are knowledgeable people there but the moderation is ass.

Fuck you, "my ass" is a legitimate source.

>make a long, well-researched post on r/askhistorians
>gets massively upvoted, get gilded twice
>few months later having a talk with a historian friend
>turns out all the information I provided was massively outdated
>like 1800s outdated
>tfw accidentally misinformed thousands of people

>post is literally defined by how much people upvote you
no thanks sweetie

Devil's advocate here. For most of the occasions that I went to ceddit to see the deleted comments for a question that interested me the deleted responses were either something that started with "I'm gonna go on a limb here and..." or "I'm not entirely sure but I think..." and then people complaining about the Nazi mods removing the answers they pulled out of their asses with no citations.

The only reason I go to reddit desu. Great place with many excellent answers.

Occasionally useful. For the most part, its shit. 99% of the posts gets 0-1 reply.

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>Occasionally useful. For the most part, its shit. 99% of the posts gets 0-1 reply.
Because the mods are fucking super sayian gestapo stasi nazis who delete your comment unless you write an entire book with 50 citations.

I got a history degree, worked with many historians and cool professors and I don't understand the autism there. It's this environment where you aren't allowed to have a discussion.

>Seems to me like one of the very few tolerable subreddits.

There's a lot of good reddit just like there'a lot of good boards on Veeky Forums (exluding this on of course)

Fair enough! I don't think that every deleted comment is deleted unjustly, but enough of them that posting there becomes a frustrating exercise at times.

>t. r/askhistorians moderator

The rules are enforced. Many people here are just surprised that there is actual mod presence just like how people on Veeky Forums visit other boards and either get banned by mods or the community self moderates them out.

It's good but it fills a niche, which is well written and sourced answers to specific questions, something that isn't conducive to general or casual discussion unlike this board. People compare Veeky Forums to /r/askhistorians but it's very apples and oranges due to this reason.

Deletion at the moderators' whims. Wouldnt recommend it for any serious discussion.

/r/history is better, because it allows for more discussion

It's because people on reddit fetishize the state of not being a human being due to them being utter social failures. They're worse than even the losers on Veeky Forums in this regard because they aren't self aware. They're those people who think they're smart because they don't have any social skills when in reality they're actually dumber than your average normie because they aren't even smart enough to have baisc social skills so they dilute and police all discussion down to "hard facts."

They want you to have these boring robotoic conversations where you're only allowed to state ""facts"" like a ""rational person""

Normal human being:
>well billybob plato was a famous greek philosopher

Reddit history mods:
>Uhm no sorry sweetie you didn't provide at least 32 different academic sources and proofs along with your common knowlede comment about plato so I'm going to have to delete it and then dox your employer for good measure

gas all redditors I would rather deal with 500 Veeky Forums shitheads than 5 redditors

>I would rather deal with 500 Veeky Forums shitheads than 5 redditors
Unironically this. I’ve used both sites extensively and I no longer use reddit. There’s a point where you take yourself so fucking seriously it stifles any laid-back or normal conversation, and that is reddit. I’d rather deal with shitposting and trolling on Veeky Forums where people have a sense of humour than the borderline statist robots on reddit.

You can discuss all the shit you want at r/history you absolute spergs. Nobody's forcing you to go to r/askhistorians. Just because you want to vomit all your word spaghetti on Reddit based on hearsay, shit you skimmed off Wikipedia, and shit you """""""""remembered"""""""" from sources but conveniently don't have time to gather just to get upboats then go ahead and mosey on over there. I don't go to Veeky Forums expecting every poster to include proof of their post-grad thesis and doctorate degree but hen I go to r/askhistorians I'm willing to put just a teensy bit more faith in the answer of somebody who went out of their way to get crippling student loan debt and no job security just because they were so passionate about the history of Confederate submarine ballast tanks from 1862-1863 than some rando's answer on Veeky Forums with a quote that still has Wikipedia citation marks.

Yeah but askhistorians doesn't even work like that 99.9% of the time it's some doitforfree reddit mod deleting your post for no reason and the 0.01% of the time it's some cool guy describing confederate submarine ballast tanks.

Good post my Stand.

>shit you """""""""remembered"""""""" from sources but conveniently don't have time to gather just to get upboats then go ahead and mosey on over there

So if someone studies a subject for 5, 10, 15 or more years, you think that they will be able to remember specific sources for every thing they've learned? Interesting, but flawed, prespective.

damn it I spelled perspective wrong. Now I look the fool!

You can apply for the upboat flair here: reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7lrrhf/be_all_that_you_can_be_join_the_askhistorians/

So if you can prove that you're hot shit and an expert in Confederate submarine ballast tanks then you people can just take your word for it provided those Nazi mods see you busted your balls for it.

You didn't answer my comment, though.

You expect people who have studied something extensively to be able to remember exact, specific sources for every piece of information they know?

Define "every". I'm don't expect an itemized invoice of sources when somebody answers a simple question for free BUT I expect them at least have a modicum of sources or hell even a single one. A source isn't just an e-peen stamp it's what lets the reader understand you AND your argument critically instead of just face value. Referencing a source shows that you put in the effort to research the material and that you reasonably expect your audience to engage with that material as well. If you ask me a general question like "Why did the Roman Empire fall?" in earnest I would tell you the digest version (based on the classes and readings I did), provide fun bite-size quotes from my sources to reinforce my argument, and then refer you to the works of Peter Heather and Chris Wickham or hell even Gibbons if I'm feeling silly that day. I trust that you WANT to know more so I engage you with what I know and where I gained that information from so you can learn even more than I did. I also trust that you can instantly disregard my arguments if I cited my uncle who thought Rome fell because of buttfucking.

On the other hand I'm not your history professor though. I don't need you to cite Zosimus, the Historia Augusta, Tertullian, Jerome, St. Augustine, and Ammianus Marcellinus just to prove to me that Theodosius was the Roman emperor in the 380s. But maybe if I asked you about his reign or the events he presided over you could bring up salient facts reinforced by specific references. It's not just good rhetoric (i.e. backing up the shit you're saying) but it also has the bonus effect of introducing your audience to new information they're interested in.

On the other hand if you want to shitpost about history without citing any source then you can do so. It's a free country. Hell that's why I come to this board for to be honest.

Maybe the worst fanbase of all time

It's a mixed bag. Some of the flaired users are awesome and it's a great place to find sources. I've posted a few answers there that didn't get deleted and were decently upvoted and that excited me to an embarrassing degree.

There is a lot of shit to wade through though. There seems to be a lot of people there who get their notions of history from video games or other media which are not necessarily academically rigorous in nature and it shows through in a lot of questions and the answers that get deleted. I also FUCKING HATE the "I'm an a living in b in the year c, how do I feel about d?" question format.

I think it's probably the best place to ask questions about history. Their moderation team is actually made up of historians and the strict moderation ensures that you don't get retarded meme answers.

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>I've posted a few answers there that didn't get deleted and were decently upvoted and that excited me to an embarrassing degree.

probably better than this shithole

>2018
>not using the Oxford comma
t. brainlet, American, or probably both

>Caring about upvotes
I know that we're hardwired to care about that dumb stuff but you have to realize it's meaningless. People buy upvotes with money. It doesn't mean anything.

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But yeah everywhere on reddit you get the reddit audience and thats fucking cancer. Welp i mean they are even here to a large degree

So many people outing themselves as redditors. Burn this fucking place down. Id rather have it destroyed than to being shitten up by reddit

>shitten up

Veeky Forums is the poor artist colony that got over run by gentrifying y*ppy r*dditors wanting to be hip

Veeky Forums isn't much better at this point. It used to be a cesspool that made good OC, now it's just a regular cesspool like Something Awful.

casual discussion forum that pretends to be academic. a fucking farce like most internet shit which wants to be taken seriously. also reddits fucking atrocious design and layout will always ruin it.

> Oxford comma

>he doesn't use the oxford comma
laugh at this fool

>not making any paper you write intentionally inconsistent as a form of soft rebellion

Is taking high dose(2000mg+) DXM and remote viewing and/or astral traveling the ideal way to learn history?

Fuck off, Joe Rogan.

>never been on reddit before
>click the first thread to see responses
this seems fun

Reddit is better for porn for sure. And info in general. But Veeky Forums is more fun.

As a Mesoameriaboo, it's probably the best resource for Mesoamerican history online that's approachable to laymen/people not already decently informed about it or interested in it.

There's a ton of good posts about it, both in terms of being informative, and in terms of actually presenting the information in an interesting way that makes people give a shit about it: Like, with Medivial Europe or Classical anqituuty or Fuedal japan, most people, even if they know nothing about history, still have a mental image in their head about what life was like and what a street corner would look like, and knows the name of a few specific important people and have an understanding that those are places with hundered and thousands of years of history of political events, wars, and so on. Almost nobody has that frame of reference for Mesoameircan society or history, and Askhistorians does a damn good job of contextualixing and providing it.

Also, so much info online about the region and it's culture online is just bullshit or flawed, reading posts there about the region should help most people be easier to identify good or bad sources a bit better, or to have a place to ask if you are unsure if something is legit or not. Reading posts there also helps you to be able to check out more specialized resources good like FAMSI or Mesolore without being totally lost.

Just read a book.

There's a legit guy on Veeky Forums who is a latin american studying mesoamerican history on here

Here is my dong. It and many like it are the reason we are all here. Fat history maker right here

Jesus, user, how big are you?

3 or 4 inches my dude

And here we have the redditors that have infested this site come out of the woodworks

>not a 100% aesthetic
>H O R S E
>D O N G

>area of history I specialize in
what exactly do you mean by that? have you read some wikipedia articles? some youtube videos? maybe read a book or two?
or are you an actual expert in the field, ie. have you studied it in a real academic setting and even published something?

4 (you)s

but user history is le SCIENCE no speculation aloud

Which was also a cesspool that made good OC and is now just a regular cesspool

This board's quality just went up by at least 10-15%. Keep it up lads

There is no reason to shit on reddit as much as Veeky Forums does. Its true that you get a lot of cringey shit and the upvote system isn't the best but that doesn't make the entire site worthless. You are just like the people who would view Veeky Forums as just /b/ and /pol/

>defending reddit
>taking shit about /pol/
something tells me you don't even like anime

/pol/ and /int/ are the most redditous boards on this site. /tv/ too at this point

>tries to downplay the things that make reddit shit

I fucking despise everything about their culture, fuck off.

You have to go back

This is his home now and it has been for a long time now.

Everything about reddit makes it shit.

How the fuck is it a casual discussion forum? Have you seen their moderation system? They're actually awfully strict about it. And it does have academics in their staff. One of my most favorite users there has a PhD in Greek warfare.

My girlfriend and I study a lot about Mesoamerica, her the Aztecs, me, more the May. We often visit Veeky Forums too.

The fact that the mods are so anal about being "factual" is an issue, history isnt a science, it relies on historian's interpretation of the evidence to paint a picture, ideally history should be in constant flux to get closer to the truth

Except it's the opposite, most people there take the idea that history is a process too far/don't value facts enough

I'm not a fan of sucking dicks so I wouldn't know what's it like visiting rebbit.

But you're on Veeky Forums so you do enjoy guys dressed as women showing you their dicks