Oh wow thanks Veeky Forums

In how many patients? What other factors were changed? Did they stop being gross fats and eat at a calorie limit? Did they suddenly become more active and begin exercising?

>Plants make sugar for their food
>Sugars come from plants
>Processed sugars come from plant sugars
>Processed plant sugars cause diabetes

Veganism is to blame here, is it not?

This vegan infestation is brutal. Was never this bad before.

Sage

Trips of truth

They stopped eating animal products.

Where did you get that idea?

>>Processed plant sugars cause diabetes

Nope. Kempner, Sweeney, Himsworth.

I don't think we can have a single thread about anything to do with diet or fitness without it being thoroughly vegan shilled. Vegans pretty much derail any thread about diet by posting the same 10 shitty memographics.

We need a vegan general and have them fuck off to there.

Animal sourced foods not being good for you doesn't imply veganism.

It does because only vegans seriously believe that.

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"

but user ive watched what the health twice now, I know everything there is to know about the meat industry and how raysis it is to poor blacks in north carolina

Is this why vegans will literally report posts showing all the dysfunctions associated with veganism?

>report posts
How would you know? Announcing reports is against the rules. Did you get banned for shitting up the board with misinformation?

This would be true if there weren't so many sacred cows and self aggrandizing things in modern science.

>There is a reason why chicken/fish are staples of most bodybuilders diets

Entirely because it's cheaper and leaner

spoken like a true religitard

Post a pic of your physique.

No one told you to eat red meat.

They told you to eat seasonless poached chicken.

Why? So you can pray against it?

What?

Science is not "true". Science is not a claim, you can't just say "it's science" and that makes it so. Most scientific studies regarding nutrition are complete bullshit.

Fake and gay. So study people that eat red meat, happen to eat other really bad shit. So.. must correlate this some shitty causation explanation.

Reminds me of the study that says only fat people drink diet Coke. Prove me wrong Veeky Forums.

Science is about observational facts and logic. If it hurts your feelings and you are too dumb to understand it, then don't talk about it.

Welcome to pop science

>protein and fat increase risk of diabetes

who the fuck comes up with this shit?

Baww is it 2hard4u?

Oh boy here we go.

Red meat contains really bad shit.

NYC really cleaned their act up.

Vegan propaganda dont fall for their bullshit

>I like it so it must be confounding
meatlets will never learn huh

Some shallow layman understanding of science is still far ahead of infantile denial of reality. I admire your wealth of ignorance.

I admire your hubris.

>projection

>oh wow thanks Veeky Forums
Unless Veeky Forums was the one that told you about that retarded dietary meme you just posted, there's not need for thanks.
>t. pseudoscientist
It's a meme
There's nothing to complete bullshit
Junk science garbage.
And you stopped using your brain
It implies pseudoscience
Hackneyed quackery isn't science
Then people touting this and other anti meat dietary memes need to shut the fuck up
Complete retards
That statement contains bullshit
>diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ >foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/
>saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>(cont.)

>(cont.)
>authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>uib.no/en/node/103172
>healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
>breakingmuscle.com/fuel/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

Probably not.

Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it doesn't imply not causation and an excuse to ignore the relationship either. Generally you'd want to investigate it further by seeing if it holds in different samples across space and time, account for interfering variables, check for physical/chemical/biological plausibility, identify mechanisms, establish a dose-response, integrate experimental modalities that have differing sources of potential bias, etc

You also need some reasonable standard for causality, else you could deny everything from cancer to special relativity. Red meat definitely looks like an independent risk factor if you look look into some of the mechanistic literature (heme iron, Neu5Gc, saturated fat, cholesterol, AGEs/ALEs), but I'm not sure the magnitude of increased risk has been concretely identified in systematic reviews.

>this level of gish gallop
Thanks for playing, you lost.

>probable denial

Pick anything from any of your links that we could discuss in more detail

Post ONE of your nonsensical counterarugments and I'm gonna show you why it's bullshit. You cannot copypasta a long list of troll sources and expect me to defeat every single one of them.