Is a Vegan Diet the Ultimate Path to Being Veeky Forums?

Veganism is so freaking unnatural that it's probably the most expensive Veeky Forums lifestyle, why do you think only rich people go vegan successfully? Because they can afford to ship in protein from around the globe.

Let me sum up the entire argument here.

The science says to eat more vegetables.

You don't have to eliminate meat and eggs and all other foods that have a high amount of complete protein and increase testosterone to help you build muscle and feel horny and great while eating it. Just eat more vegetables with that stuff and maybe replace a little bit of it with vegetables here and there.

>vegans are extremist faggots
>vegans demand that you eat veggies or you are evil
>just eat a little less meat and a little more veggies
>if this doesn't pacify vegans then drive a dodge challenger into them

>vegan diet
>not even once

youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU

i value my mental and physical health, thanks. plus i don't have extra money laying around to spend on 1000 supplements you need when you are on that shitty diet

this is what fucking boils my blood. i already eats tons of vegetables in addition to meat. there's literally zero benefit for me to go pure vegetables only. my blood work is PERFECT even though i eat 3 eggs and either 400g of fish or chicken and drink 1L of milk every single day for the past 3 years.

Then how come the strongest animals on earth all eat plant based diets?

They do nothing but eat literally all fucking day

are you talking about gorillas? chimps are omnivores and so are many other monkey specie

youtube.com/watch?v=RQq93Q2txrs
youtube.com/watch?v=OUPhRYi_caY

majority of apex predators are carnivores and that's what matters. i don't give a shit about potential strength output of an animal. chimps are like 7 times stronger than adult male.

Rhinos, Oxen, Elephants

hippo is the most dangerous and most durable land animal. while they are considered herbivores they have been seen and filmed eating other animals

2/3 of my diet isn't vegan and I'm only 6 months in. Vegan kuks btfo.

meat

>calcifies your pineal gland
>gives you the adrenaline of the animal
>gives you parasites
>clogs your intestines

fruits/veggies/nuts

>catalyzes light code activation as the sun carries information and plants are liquid light
>gives your more atheltic energy as opposed to sluggish
>never have to wipe your ass
>gets mother nature on your side
>more likely to reach the higher dimensions upon death

This reality is not a fucking game. Thats a BLOOD SACRIFICE youre participating in. We're suppose to be shepherds for the animals. Stop killing your animal totems.

Lmao at your stuff

why is it good? As long as you eat enough veggies anyway, I don't see why

I'm not vegan so I have no stake in this. There is a significant greenhouse gas output from animal production. I eat meat and am aware of this, so I try to be environmentally conscious in other ways.

Is your body a cemetary? OR a well oiled machine? Cows are fed potato chips and m&ms. Chickens arent even their natural selves by the steroids. Pigs are cannibal scanvengers and roll around in shit all day. It's a drug that gives you acne and makes you stink. MIND BODY SPIRIT MOTHER FUCKER

>why is it good?
Because most staple vegan foods are like 95% water so it's hard to eat too much of it. You can stuff your face with bread and still not have a caloric deficit I guess, but without butter what's the point

fair point, but most of the normie vegans I know are overweight/obese anyway because they make up for meat by overdoing simple carbs. I think as long as you are capable of tracking your intake you'll be fine either way, so long as athletic performance isn't important.

>He doesn't panic eat a loaf of bread when he realizes he won't meet his caloric goal.

bodybuilding isnt healthy without live and electric foods

Oh yeah I'm not saying that it's the best way to lose weight, not by a long shot. For normies, the best option is probably just for them to just keep eating what they normally do, but less of it, and get rid of caloric drinks. Anything with more discipline and they'll drop it.

Vegan protein is incomplete and doesn't provide enough of a mps effect this is without even taking in the multiple amino acids that you'll require a highly variety of legumes and vegetables to even get them.

You're also more likely to be b vitamin , iron and calcium deficient that even with supplements in the long term 5 years you're still deficient.

It's a shit diet for lifters and non lifters.

>citrus fruits
>alkaline
whoever made this is brain dead retarded

>No, there aren't.
what about studies show meat being linked to prolonged inflammation and paralysing insulin sensitivity?

Normies can't even follow a simple diet like keto which is full of cheese and bacon do you think they can do it with a diet that is full of legumes and vegetables and need supplements they will relapse hard or be more deficient than the normal vegan.

Pineapple at 8 PH
Just fug my facts up senpai, guess I've been marinating wrong my whole life.
(Pineapple is sitting comfy at 3.5)

Your problem is getting to bent up on nutrition as a math equations rather than a lifestyle. The more color -> the more alive it is, the more it will make you happy. I eat oranges to tune my sacrel chakra when I want to create. Red apples when I want to tune my root chakra to have better sex. The other day I ate my semen because I wasnt scared of it being tainted. NExt I will do urine therapy because my body is fully detoxed.

please bait or hang yourself

Lemons 10pH x fucking d

Well science proves you wrong macaroni. Pig related.

our frequency is just not the same. they lied to you.

SAGE

Bump because I like buttmad vegans

>try vegan for a bit over 6 months
>BP almost 200
>go back to eating meat
>BP back to normal
makes you wonder

It couldn't have anything to do with them having entirely different organs to be able to digest thing humans can't, could it?

The smartest animals on earth are meat eaters because predators are generally smarter than their prey.

Why do you trip in a thread that is irrelevant to your knowledge? You're only embarrassing yourself
>Vegan diet is low in some of the b-vitamins
Nutritional yeast
> and a few of the performance boosters like L-carnitine
Non essential amino acid, as long as you eat enough high quality protein rich in all the essential amino acids (just as EASY in a vegan diet as in a non vegan one) you'll be fine
>and creatine. You'd have to supplement to be on the same level
Even if you eat meat you'd have to supplement. It takes 1 kg of beef or 1.7 kg chicken to get the equivalent in creatine monohydrate in a 5g scoop, which is expensive. Plus nobody eats (or should eat) that much meat.
By the way, supplementing creatine is vegan.
>which I don't really think justifies veganism as a performance aid.
Your list so far reads like someone who googled "veganism unhealthy/bad for bodybuilding". What about the benefits from a diet high in antioxidants, low in saturated fats and cholesterol, high in nitrates, fiber to flush out estrogens and hormones and practically no inflammatory properties
>There are arguments for veganism but I don't think health is a strong one.
You should rethink it, we have falafel burgers with baba ganoush ;)
Wroooooooooooong. Please do research before embarrassing yourself.
Legumes, seitan, tofu and tempeh all cover your protein requirements even by the 1g/lb rule even in a steep deficit.
Great shitpost 8/8
Lol get a life nerd

Pescatarian is the best, both for cutting and bulking.
All the populations with extremely long lifespans are basically pescatarians living low-stress lives out in the countryside.

Idiot. There are vegan protein shakes.

If I would go vegan it's because of the meat/dairy industry pumping huge amounts of hormones and antibiotics into the animals which end up in my body by eating the products...

>vegan=vegetarian
>tomayto=tomahto

almost all foods are packed with extra vitamins and shit

>still believeing the greenhouse jew

Any diet that requires supplementation to be successful isn't really a successful or self-contained diet though

Are rice and beans expensive?

>Any diet that requires supplementation to be successful
I didn't use the word "supplement", unless you count nutritional yeast and tofu as supplements, which they aren't.
> isn't really a successful
Yes it is. Success is defined by the result, not the means. Not like veganism necessitates supplements, as I said above, just nitpicking.
> or self-contained diet though
Why yes it is. As long as the supplement is vegan, the diet is self contained. And believe me, there are vegan supplements for everything you can think of.
Again, not like veganism necessitates supplements, as I said above

Im not vegan but holy fuck thank you for this.
People have this whole misconception that vegan diets arent healthly and lack nutrition which pisses me the fuck off.

A vegan diet is the ultimate path to become a cucked nu male skelly.

youtu.be/EFF30jfTubU

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>Is atherosclerosis a disease affecting all animals or only certain animals?
>Atherosclerosis affects only herbivores. Dogs, cats, tigers, and lions can be saturated with fat and cholesterol, and atherosclerotic plaques do not develop (1, 2). The only way to produce atherosclerosis in a carnivore is to take out the thyroid gland; then, for some reason, saturated fat and cholesterol have the same effect as in herbivores

>Are human beings herbivores, carnivores, or omnivores?
>Although most of us conduct our lives as omnivores, in that we eat flesh as well as vegetables and fruits, human beings have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores (2). The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves. The teeth of carnivores are sharp; those of herbivores are mainly flat (for grinding). The intestinal tract of carnivores is short (3 times body length); that of herbivores, long (12 times body length). Body cooling of carnivores is done by panting; herbivores, by sweating. Carnivores drink fluids by lapping; herbivores, by sipping. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, whereas herbivores obtain it from their diet. Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores.

>What evidence connects atherosclerosis to cholesterol?
>The connection between cholesterol and atherosclerosis is strong (9, 10):

Atherosclerotic plaques similar to those in humans can be produced in nonhuman herbivores by feeding them large quantities of cholesterol and/or saturated fat. It is not possible to produce atherosclerotic plaques experimentally in carnivores.
Cholesterol is found within atherosclerotic plaques

>Do statin drugs have to be taken every day for the remainder of life?
>if a patient subsequently becomes a pure vegetarian-fruit eater it might be possible to discontinue the statin drug

Source: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/#!po=2.63158

CARNISTS BTFO AND ON MEDICAL WATCH

what a retarded statement

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>If some dipshit can't control himself and eats his weight in tendies every day, that's on him, not meat.
You don't need to be overweight to get a heart attack from all the saturated fats, trans-fats and cholesterol in the meat dairy and eggs you're eating.

>What evidence connects atherosclerosis to cholesterol?
None
>The connection between cholesterol and atherosclerosis is strong (9, 10):
No, it's not.
>authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>uib.no/en/node/103172
>healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285

The animals you eat are supplemented with vitamin B12 though.

Do you even bother with reading the articles you're linking?
>bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>Saturated fat does not clog the arteries: coronary heart disease is a chronic inflammatory condition, the risk of which can be effectively reduced from healthy lifestyle interventions
>saturated fat

And no one will because those are memes
>suppversity.blogspot.com/search?q=eggs
>suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/12/dairy-good-bad-or-ugly-latest-studies.html
>suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/07/cheese-your-health-cvd-cancer-metabolic.htm
>suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html
>Animals store vitamin B12 in liver and muscle and some pass the vitamin into their eggs and milk; meat, liver, eggs and milk are therefore sources of the vitamin for other animals, including people.[5][7][29] For humans, the bioavailability from eggs is less than 9%, compared to 40% to 60% from fish, fowl and meat.[30]
>Animal sources with a significant content of vitamin B12 (range among top 20 sources of 50 to 99 µg per 100 grams)[32] include clams, organ meats (especially liver) from lamb, veal, beef, and turkey, fish eggs, mackerel, and crab meat.[4][5]
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Animal_sources
>Do you even bother with reading the articles you're linking?
Yes but I now know you clearly didn't and also don't know anything about basic science or biology

That's how they store vitamin B12, not where it comes from.

i know you made this up, but just in case you didn't, you should go to a heart specialist asap, you'll literally die senpai

all human beings benefit from vitamin d supplementation, does this mean that no human diets are successful?

meat-eater brains can't handle subtleties like this

>vegans can only be weak
mensjournal.com/health-fitness/articles/why-americas-best-olympic-weightlifter-is-vegan-w434203

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

well then show us your blood tests mr. perfect

Do you have autism or something? You are still posting the Norwegian study funded by the dairy and coconut industry that showed that low-fat diet is healthier, which they simply ignored in the press release.

How can you be so dense?

And the problem with saturated fat isn't just that it causes atherosclerosis. It also happens to cause insulin resistance, NAFLD, diabetes, brain damage, inflammation, dysbiosis, endotoxemia, certain forms of cancer, birth defects etc.

>catalyzes light code activation as the sun carries information and plants are liquid light

RIP my sides

>fat manlet oly lifter tired of being bottom tier trash
>timeforpeds.jpg
>gets leaner and bigger
>ohshitpeoplewillnotice.avi
>"I'll just tell people I went vegan"
>vegans actually believe it

Yes

Carbonated water is close to neutral, that's why it has minerals, so it's not acidic

>most predators eat meat

You are doing leaps of logic that anyone with an IQ below 200 would have a hard time following.

youtube.com/watch?v=9fIUsqeOA5g

I am a biochemist and former vegan (for two non-consecutive years). Allow me to preface this by saying- I feel a huge amount of compassion for animals, and I've cried more than once about having to kill to eat.

When I was a vegan in 2008, I felt extremely weak after about a month, and by the end of the year, I felt like death every day. I was 13 at the time but I knew the one thing I'd changed was my diet, and I was craving meat severely, so I went back to an animal-supplemented diet for several years. Better armed with nutritional knowledge, I attempted veganism again for a year when I was 19. I hit my macros, took D3 and B12, and supplemented with EFA/ALA's. By the end of the year, I was unable to function. I couldnt think straight, lost all physical stamina, was constantly exhausted. I saw my physician, did some labs, and found out my cholesterol was in the toilet. We did more labs and that was the only level that was off.

Unfortunately hypocholestemia is not studied because it is virtually unheard of- you have to be a vegan to get levels that low. After exhausting all the diagnoses that could explain why I couldn't function, I started eating meat and butter again. Within a week I was back to normal, could think clearly, felt strong and well. Though the mechanisms are not entirely understood yet, the human body requires cholesterol to function. It is known that low cholesterol correlates with depression. I wasn't getting adequate omega-3's either, and my brain had nothing to repair itself with- so it stopped working. Veganism is not a viable option for people who wish to retain 100% of their capacity to function. You can get by on a vegan diet, the body is designed to survive starvation and poor conditions for a very long time- but if you want to LIVE, to THRIVE, to not be depressed and sluggish and weak, and have your brain working at half-capacity, you have to consume animal products

You know we make our own cholesterol right?
you might have liver damage that makes it difficult for you to create your own, but please cite a source that says only vegans can get hypocholestemia.
anecdotes aside, dietitians and nutritionists agree you can be vegan from birth to until you're elderly.

Any recommended plant-based proteins? From prozis or whatever website based in europe/ships from europe

asking since i need something easier on the stomach, got some samples from regular whey(from xcore hydro isolate, cookies & cream and that shit had actual cookie pieces and a 7/10 taste) and tried it and gave me gas and stomach rumbling and all that shit when you feel like you have diahrrea

MyVegies
100% Vegetable Protein New Formula

Weider
Vegan Protein

Scitec
Pure Form Vegan Protein

hemp protein powder without a doubt

>Even more not reading
>How can you be so dense?
>Asks this then proceeds to prove how much he didn't read and posts more dietary memes

>You're also more likely to be b vitamin , iron and calcium deficient that even with supplements in the long term 5 years you're still deficient.
I read that same study, it also said meat eaters were also deficient in b vitamins, among other things.
It also was a case study and didn't know why this was, probably because people get lax on their diets and are lazy fucks.
>vegan protein is incomplete
Can I ask where you buy this vegan protein?
Because lots of plant proteins are very near complete and only have to have a side dish of something else to become complete, a serving of pea protein powder is complete IIRC but might be lacking in methionone which is easy af to get.
>t. meat eater who eats chicken or fish everyday but eats vegetables because I'm not a child

It truly is best, I'm thinking about going pesco and eating fatty fish + fermented soy as my go to proteins.
Would still eat a nice steak once or twice a year though as a cheat meal.

It doesn't require supplementation though.
Not that it should matter because most people should be on a couple supps anyway.

Most vegans on here are cunts but so is everybody else, let's be /comfy/ m8's.

I'm curious about you not getting adequate omega-3's user, did you not eat flax/chia or were the omega-3's not as effective as their animal counterparts.

Do you have any insight on fatty acids found in vegan foods compared to EPA and DHA?

Why hemp over pea?
Lactose intolerant so I can't fuck with whey.

Can someone tell me what those proteins were that vegans struggle to get?

There is like 2 or more proteins that are especially hard to get enough of when you go full plant diet but are very easy to get if you eat meat.

Methionine and lysine, the latter can be found easily in beans and legumes and meth can be found in nuts and oats.
Not vegan so there might be easier sources than I know.
The other 7 are found in practically everything though.

Thankyou non-vegan-bro

never had pea but have heard good things. hemp is highest in fiber so i've been using that

Pea appears to have a more complete amino profile and is cheaper, apparently tastes like shit though.
Am a fan of fiber gains though, how well does hemp mix/taste?

>never hated vegans
>read some of their posts ITT
>IQ decreases by 50
>realize 99% of them rely on isolated studies and anecdotal pseudoscientific studies to back everything they say
>literally stroking each other to every empowering comment to cows they say.
>realize they're basically SJW-tier hippies.

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never had it straight up actually. don't think it would taste very good or very bad. i mix it in with the Joe Rogan Kale shake every day instead.

Of course vegans are super faggots it took you this long to realize it

>posts le meme image without any argument whatsoever

rly fires up the neurons

Apples don't seem very nutritious but other than that it seems fine, I have no idea what a salad size of kale is though.
Would throw some flax or chia seeds in their for both fiber and omega gains.

apple is a must... or else it taste like shit because of the garlic.

Rather throw a kiwi in there for vitamins or a banana for potassium gains, what do apples have?
Not trying to shit on you using an apple just really don't know what nutrition they give.

Sweet fuck, Lad. Watch his interviews with Ronda Patrics asap.

Apples are the tits and actually help you build and maintain muscle.