Testosterone thread

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jack donovan is my husbando

Recommend me one OP
Nalgene a shit

Do I still read the reddit or new links?

They might be for test boosting.

they do increase circulation, and thus, shortens recovery time.

>Have you noticed how weak and fragile do modern teens look compared to 30 years ago?

I've noticed that idiots like you probably think models and actors from 30 years ago were representative of the average human being of the time. 60% of Ameicans are overweight, and something like 35% of are obese. Obviously that's degenerate and unacceptable, but what about obesity that screams "weak and fragile" to you? Weak, sure, since they're fatties, but fragile? Let me guess, you think a handful of scrawny Portland hipsters are demographically representstive of the average American male.

>In fact, testosterone levels go down 1% each year= 10% in a decade

How many times do we have to disprove this bullshit to you retarded conspiracy nuts? AVERAGE test keeps going down because overall, men are getting fatter and living longer. Fat people and old people produce less test. Therefore, when you average the test of those fatties and old men in with the test of healthy men, the average is lower than it used to be when there weren't as many old and fat men. A healthy man who eats a proper (or even half decent) diet and exercises regularly (or at least somewhat regularly) in this day and age still produces more or less the same amounts of test that his dad and granddads and so forths did during their own youths however many decades ago.

How bout you try actually lifting for once in your life? Oh, but I guess then you wouldn't have time to prattle on about your half baked conspiracies. Guess you should continue to avoid weight rooms at all costs while spending your days sitting your fat ass in front of a computer screen watching Alex Jones screeching redfaced about his incoherent bullshit on Infowars for hours on end.

Not OP, but I just got a Klean kanteen. Bought a sippy top to go with it, its great.

this kid...

What would be the best dietary changes I could make as a vegan to increase test? I already get lots of sleep, hit the gym 3 times a week, and avoid stuff like alcohol and smoking, so diet's really the only thing left to change.

My current plans are to increase saturated fats, so more avocados, coconut oil, and dark chocolate. Also planning on adding in cholesterol via oysters, which will also give me some animal protein as well as Vitamin D and Zinc (among others). Any other suggestions?

Everyone should watch these.

Biohistory 1 - intro
youtube.com/watch?v=b4-Od8cq5Gk

Biohistory 2 -
youtube.com/watch?v=b4-Od8cq5Gk

Biohistory 3 - the civilization cycle

there's a 4th if anyone's interested.

The videos talk about the part hormones play in all this, it's very interesting, I highly recommend it

immature answer - stop being vegan lol

mature answer - apart from compound lifts, take more suppliments that help including magnesium (obviously stay within healthy limits)

The best chance would be to eat meat.

Don't forget about the tren guys!

>be me: teen in the mid-late 90's
>no smartphones, internet was brand spanking new, not user friendly and not widespread.
>lifting, ju-jitsu, cycling, and army cadet shit was all I did except for vidya
>city I live in has fitness stores, outdoor stores out the ass.
>TV and culture about "hey get out of the house and do activities, they're fun", "you're a man, you're awesome, go out and be the most awesome man you can be"
>fast forward 20 years
>those fitness stores and outdoor stores are all coffee shops or clothing stores
>internet and smartfones are cheap, user friendly and available to everyone.
>TV and culture now about "get drunk/high, earn cash, fuck women, play vidya, be a dick to other humans or they'll be dicks to you so fuck them first", "you're also shit compared to these awesome women who are your superiors in every way"
>theyarenot.jpg

I can't totally blame these kids, they're born into a shitty, lazy, false and degenerate culture. I do feel sorry for those young guys whose legs are the same thickness as my arms.

>Everyone should watch these
>"biohistory"
>"the civilization cycle"
>it's very interesting, I highly recommend it

An insistent, zealous tone and made up pseudo-scienctific jargon are the classic marks of a low intellect, compensating conspiracy theorist and wannabe "patrician" intellectual. Tell me, just how poor were your grades in your high school science classes? Have you ever wondered why you did so poorly in those classes? Let me tell you why:

Putting the words "bio" and "history" together doesn't suddenly make your inane, anecdotal, "redpill", neckbeard conspiracy theory scientific or true. Science and truth aren't about the tone or profoundness of a statement, nor are they about how "sciencey" your word choice sounds.

Those videos are not presenting anything even remotely resembling science or truth. They are presenting a pseudo-scientific "theory", but instead of using actual facts or science to attempt to prove this theory, they used aesthetic and tonal arguments; i.e. having a clean shaven presenter in a suit, with dramatic music, dramatic visual cuts, crisp infographics, a very documentarian sounding narrative, etc.

Aesthetics and tone are not science, and have absolutely nothing to do with science. People like you failed your science classes because you think science is about the aesthetics and tone of your arguments and ideas, when really it's about whether or not your arguments and ideas actually hold any physical merit.

"Biohistory" and (most of) your bullshit ramblings about the testosterone levels of present day males are nothing but physically and statistically baseless, aesthetic, tonal, anecdotal pseudo-scientific conspiracies.

>inaccurate head fantasy anecdotes

Damn near everything you said has zero statistical basis and was 100% pulled out of your ass so that you could feel like a patrician intellectual commenting on "muh state of civilization".

>this much projecting
Seriously speaking, why so angry?
You literally sound like an underage

>oh shit he btfo'd me and he's so right that I don't know how to respond
>better just call him underage angry and projecting to try to draw attention away from how btfo'd I got

Nice deflection. What's wrong, can't handle having your bullshit thrown in your face by someone who actually knows what they're talking about? Go ahead, try to refute any of the points I made in either of my posts.

...

what the fuck
you didn't BTFO me you projecting and triggered retard
I'm neither of those guys

What do you want

Then what the fuck were you talking about? I'm arguing against pseudo-science with actual science, therefore I'm projecting? Also:

>I acted like a jackass
>haha he's so triggered because he called me a jackass for acting like a jackass XD

>Can't accept he lives in a shit time.
>Is a thirsty beta faggot
>Is a femtard triggered by a man who doesn't think her vagina is magic

Pick 2.

>inaccurate head fantasy anecdotes

The changes in store types in my city are not fantasy. The changes in technology between 90's - 10's are not fantasy. Culture has obviously changed between 90's and 10's

So what are you dribbling on about?

>internet arguments won:
underage
I called you for being so cringey, and projecting with muh Alex Jones etc
And you countinue projecting

>is making anecdotal claims about the times, past and present, and thinks that because they're his personal anecdotal claims that that means they're the absolute truth
>resorts to ad hominems when he gets called on his prattling, wannabe intellectual bullshit and subsequently gets thoroughly btfo'd

Where are you getting "thirsty beta faggot" and "triggered femtard" from? Do you even know what your "le epic /pol" buzzwords mean? One of those phrases refers to a man, one of them refers to a woman. And what do they even remotely have to do with this thread or any other comment that's been posted in it? You're like a kid drowning at a pool, desperately flailing about and trying to grab onto anything that might save him.

>The changes in store types in my city are not fantasy.

How big is your city? How many total stores used to be in your city and how many are in it now? How many of each speicifc type of store were there then versus now, and how signficantly - if at all - has the overall numerical proportion of each store type changed?

>The changes in technology between 90's - 10's are not fantasy.

No shit Sherlock. I didn't say that technology didn't change. I said your claims about its effects on people were pulled out of your ass, which they are.

>Culture has obviously changed between 90's and 10's

Again, no shit Sherlock. I didn't say that culture hasn't changed. I said your claims about what those changes are were pulled out of your ass, which they are.

>So what are you dribbling on about?

You being one of many irritating idiots who cherry picks and exaggerates anecdotal examples while ignoring the bigger picture in order to make yourself feel like some pompous "intellectual" who's just soooooo much more "aware" of the world and it's "sad state" than the rest of us "sheep".

Again, literally what are you trying to communicate here? So you just jumped into an argument that you didn't otherwise care for, and arbitrarily decided to attack me because....?

What does referencing Alex Jones have to do with projecting under this thread topic? Do you not know what the word "projecting" means?

>internet arguments won:
>underage

What did he mean by this?

haha Christ, someone needs to go for a long walk and a cold shower :^P

Also, maybe you'd like to go to their website where they list all the sources of their research? They consulted many studies before making these claims.

this kid is an idiot
>Why did I do that?
read what I wrote before

>look at what those guys said, they must be Alex Jones fans n sheeit

>internet arguments won:
do you know what sarcasm is?

>underage
you act like one
which means that this thrrad is for you, because, if you know so much about science, you should know how low your T is based on your behaviour. So read what OP wrote and start working inmediatly

>haha Christ, someone needs to go for a long walk and a cold shower :^P

What's wrong, can't provide a retort to any of my claims, so you have to resort to attacking the perceived tone of my argument? Do you know what a "logical fallacy" is? I'm guessing you don't, since you're a pseudo-science loving conspiracy theorist. I dare you try to respond to one of the claims I made, instead of just calling me angry and insisting that you're correct. Go ahead, I'll wait.

>Also, maybe you'd like to go to their website where they list all the sources of their research? They consulted many studies before making these claims.

They consulted many studies in the same way that a middle school kid consults a bunch of Wikipedia pages while writing a history report. "Consulting" the work of real scientists and incorrectly and incompletely sourcing their work during the presentation of your own pseudo-scientific conspiracy theory doesn't mean you're doing science. If that "biohistory" bullshit is so true, then why doesn't it have its OWN studies, and why aren't there actual scientists supporting it? You clearly understand nothing about what science is or how it is conducted.

>Why did I do that?
>read what I wrote before

What you wrote before was incoherent and didn't make any sense.

>look at what those guys said, they must be Alex Jones fans n sheeit

All of this bullshit about present day testosterone levels and tempering with hormone levels in human populations is LITERALLY Alex Jones tier conspiracy bullshit.

Case and point: youtube.com/watch?v=_ePLkAm8i2s

>which means that this thrrad is for you, because, if you know so much about science, you should know how low your T is based on your behaviour. So read what OP wrote and start working inmediatly

Lmao there we go. So you ARE a believer in all this bullshit, and you were only responding to me the first time because you were buttblasted that I btfo'd all this bullshit.

Only reasonable user in this thread. Keep going brother.

Holy fuck that is cool.

I know right? Dogs are great companions.

what the fuck
this reayrd
>Lmao there we go. So you ARE a believer in all this bullshit...(blah blah)
And you keep projecting

>not taking into account age ranges in these studies

they exclude old men bro. you should try reading them sometime

>that wolf/bunny political analogy
Fucking Kek, this is actually the argument they make

Also I like how it just implies conservatives are virgins and liberals are chad

Niggas stop fighting. We're not here to discuss what made this happen (it's Reaganomics) or if it has happened. Just how to increase testosterone

How do I get tested for test?

No it just implies that niggers have more kids younger, reach sexual maturity younger and care less about their kids (all true)
Such a person will vote for Gibs

Do niggers vote for Gibs?
Oh gosh, wow they do.
Prediction correct.

>this retard
>And you keep projecting

You keep avoiding responding to any of my points, because you know that I'm right, but you're too embarrassed to admit it. So instead you're opting to try to derail any discussion that might have been raised over my points.

>which means that this thrrad is for you, because, if you know so much about science, you should know how low your T is based on your behaviour. So read what OP wrote and start working inmediatly

You explicitly admitted right there that you agreed with the bullshit in the OP, despite claiming earlier that you were attacking me for some other reason. Just give up, you only embarrass yourself more each time you come back with nothing more than "hurrrr retard!11!!1!".

Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly happy to have regular, grounded discussions about test. I'm definitely not happy though when the threads are set up within this framework of some idiotic conspiracy.

On that note; there really isn't that much to discuss when it comes to how to (naturally) increase your test levels. You just have to be generally healthy; i.e. eat right, go outside in the sun enough, exercise enough, etc. Obviously sex, being social, etc probably helps a lot too.

You know the word "conspiracy" does not mean just that cartoon group of bad guys in a room plotting right?

It means "congruent inspiration" which can be malicious or not.

There are many unique actors who either don't care, want, or are just making money by letting all the things that drop test happen.

That's real, it's "conspiracy". It's not just "coincidence" or congruent incidents

I do, but OP presents the issue as though it's a conspiracy. He talks about "contamination of our youth" and "invading hordes". He's one of those "da jooooos are poisoning us" nutcases, and that was the mentality that my original comment was zeroing in on.

Also, test isn't dropping because of any factors that aren't (more or less) 100% controllable by each individual man. And thus, there isn't much, if any, fault on anyone other than men themselves for dropping test levels. Diet, exercise levels, stress levels, etc are what are most important (aside from and along with genetics) for determing a man's test levels. Birth control chemicals in our water supplies don't have any significant effects, nor do any of the other similar conspiracy tier sources that nutjobs always try to blame for their low test levels and overall shit quality of life.

Nalgene has been bpa free for a long time. What are you suggesting?

Please get it through your thick head that estrogens are not the opposite of testosterone. Estrogens (e2) is anabolic as fuck.

So shut the fuck up about soy

>Say no to soy
Say no to ebin broscience

complete meme

this

also this

ESPECIALLY this

been taking zinc + magnesium + vit b12. does that help with test?

If you aren't deficient in zinc, does fuck all (talking strictly testosterone, those all have benefits)

i sweat a lot though so i suspect i'm losing a lot of zinc through my perspiration and am probably deficient.

They don't want you to reproduce

oh, and before someone says "the doses arent high enough to be detrimental to your health"...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3365860/

The study on blacks does not account for the genetic differences in IQ. Blacks do not have certain genes that Eurasians carry, thus they have lower IQ. Asians for example have the lowest testosterone levels and highest IQ-s, even among somewhat high-test asians.

Testosterone levels are not much related to IQ. What is interesting though is, for example, doctors on average have higher IQ and higher body hair and test (whites). Race should be accounted for in studies like this.

I'll give you some testies if you want. Oral administration.

masturbation lowers T, after that it start to rise back

Sex does not lower T, which is interesting to say the least.

It's all to do with brain chemistry and shit

lol that's not a picture of rippletits

yes

Fuck outta this thread.
or post body.

> I'm perfectly happy to have regular, grounded discussions
But you don't. You start throwing unrelated insults like a teenager, trying to look like an intellectual

obvious samefagging

ωω γραφει το ονομα του σωkρατη στα ελληνιkα. ξερεις οτι μιλα σοβαρα

>say no to say
because the soy almost everyone consumes is processed (ers.usda.gov/data-products/adoption-of-genetically-engineered-crops-in-the-us/recent-trends-in-ge-adoption.aspx), and soy itself contains isoflavones, you fucking braindead vegans

> Dr. Kenneth D.R. Setchell from Colorado State University, discovered this small molecule called equol from humans back in 1982. Since then he has been researching the molecule. He has already proven that the compound is formed in the gut when we eat isoflavones, and that men who eat a lot of soy have high amounts of equol present in their blood stream. Back in 2004, Dr. Setchell found out that equol is a strong anti-androgen, which can almost completely shut down the activity of dihydrotestosterone (the most potent androgen)
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14728586?dopt=Abstract
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14681200?dopt=Abstract

>One 19 year old man who started consuming hefty amounts of soy in his diet, suddenly the guy lost all interest to sex and suffered from erectile dysfunction. His blood DHEA, testosterone, and DHT levels also plummeted significantly. 1 year after stopping the soy consumption, his erectile health and hormonal profile was fully regained
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

>From 99 infertile men, the men that ate the most soy had the lowest sperm count.
humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/23/11/2584.short

>soy protein increased the number of epithelial cells in the breast tissue by 29% (this is a sign of overblown estrogen).
cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/5/10/785.short

>Soy protein decreased testosterone and DHT levels in healthy young men
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15735098

There are also studies which show no major differences in testosterone levels after soy consumption. However they’re quite often sponsored by SOYJOY or other large soy producers.

DUMB FUCKS

sorry, say no to soy*

>but what about obesity that screams "weak and fragile" to you?
fat "men" have low T you braindead intellectual wannabe teenager. If you're so smart you can are the connection there

>How many times do we have to disprove this bullshit to you retarded conspiracy nuts?
It's not a conspirancy you idiot, and you didn't even disprove it, you just "justified" it, which still won't make the T levels of nu males acceptable

> A healthy man who eats a proper (or even half decent) diet and exercises regularly (or at least somewhat regularly) in this day and age still produces more or less the same amounts of test that his dad and granddads and so forths did during their own youths however many decades ago.
Did someone say the opposite?

Even if tobacco would increase test, it would be dumb as fuck to start smoking.

(1/2) I just woke back up, so let me get back to some of these before I get to work.

Didn't even see your comment last night, but I'll respond to it now. That also does not matter. The trends of lower test levels among men of any given age range have been observed BUT NOT EXPLAINED, with researchers who have noted the trends not being sure of the reason of the change. You are correct that even within age ranges and controlling for obesity levels, test seems to have decreased. HOWEVER, researchers know that whatever the reason for the change is, it's not "muh birth control water" or "muh estrogens". I brought up the effects of obesity and age on the overall average test because retards often cite that average test the same way other retards cite the "average wage" of men versus women in "gender gap" arguments.

Aww, is somebody upset because their jewish control fantasy is being disproven by people who actually know what they're talking about? And so now, like everyone else, you're desperately trying to change the subject and draw attention away from the fact that I btfo'd all your bullshit. How bout you fuck out of this thread instead bitch boy. Or you can go ahead and post your body first. Go ahead, I'll wait.

But I am. Starting off a discussion rambling about "contamination" and "invasion of the hordes" and other bullshit like "biohistory" is not a grounded discussion, and I explained very clearly why. The field was then left open for a grounded discussion; i.e. people could've responded (intelligently) to the legitimate points I brought up in my first comment and a legitimate discussion could've unfolded from there.

>You start throwing unrelated insults like a teenager, trying to look like an intellectual

Lmao nice attacking the tone deflection. I'm not trying to look like anything. I was right and people like you were wrong, because I argued with actual science and you argued with pseudo-science.

>soy protein isolate
>not whole soy foods
You are comparing a processed food to ALL soy products. You are a brainlet, kys.

There used to be an old meme that your body doesn't know the difference between sex and masturbation but that's been proven wrong. Apparently even talking to an attractive woman slightly increases testosterone, while fucking a woman compensates for the T loss from ejaculation.

Basically T production is your body's way of rewarding you for doing the right things from an evolutionary perspective.

(2/2)

>correlation versus causation
>ONE 19 year old man
>what are anecdotes

I'm actually very open to the possibility that soy has negative effects on men's health, HOWEVER, the effects it has are tentatively understood, at best, and even if there are effects, they're almost certainly insignificant. Which is why I'm usually annoyed at people overreacting to it and putting so much focus on soy.

Like I said before: eat a good diet, exercise, go out in the sun, lower stress, etc. This is what's important for test (and damn near every other aspect of your health). Acting paranoid and autistic over things like soy is generally a waste of time and not important at all. Also >fat "men" have low T you braindead intellectual wannabe teenager. If you're so smart you can are the connection there

I literally did make the connection there, you braindead intellectual wannabe teenager. Did you not read my entire comment?

>It's not a conspirancy you idiot, and you didn't even disprove it, you just "justified" it
>which still won't make the T levels of nu males acceptable
>the T levels of nu males
>nu males

You and the OP have presented it varyingly as either a "conspiracy" or some kind of societal "epidemic", which it is not. Lordy lordy, you're calling me an intellectual wannabe while I'm speaking actual science, meanwhile you're over there talking about "the T levels of nu males"? The irony is incredible.

>Did someone say the opposite?

They added in all this paranoid bullshit about "chemicals in the water" and the "state of the modern man". I.e. your stupid nu male bullshit again.

>still produces more or less the same amounts of test that his dad and granddads and so forths did during their own youths however many decades ago.

Literally the entire thread topic and every similar paranoid test thread is about how modern men supposedly have less test for any reason other than because of their lifestyles and personal choices.

You see now that I did not know, that even talking to a woman you find attractive changes your test level, even if slightly.

But yeah, it basically is a reward system of sorts. Today it might not be paid much attention to due to porn being easily accessible and people having medical help in overcoming diseases.

As far as I remember, a lowered testosterone comes with increased chance of getting sick, generally.

is bmi a meme?

Depends on your body fat senpai

Βρήkε την ειkόνα στο διαδίkτυο kαι την kοπυπάστωσε στο ινφογραφιkό του δίχως kαν να αντιληφθεί πως είναι γραμμένο στα ελληνιkά.

translatefags ή οντως ελληνες;

The science behind these things is always the same: it may or may not increase, it's inconclusive, more data is needed, one research said yes but the other said no, etc

I do it all. If one person at one point saw a small correlation, and it won't cost me anything or harm me in any way, it's worth trying it.

Yes they are a meme. A study showed that strength training males gain less muscle mass taking cold showers following a strength session, than those that took a hot shower following a strength session. This is likely due to the fact that cold showers reduce inflammation, with inflammation being one of the key primers for hypertrophy both sarcoplasmic and myofibrilar. Also, the cold shower group had lower mean testosterone than the hot shower group. You can interpret this however, but you absolutely cannot say cold showers increase testosterone.

Guys, im extremely concerned, going to a doctor in a few weeks
>go from 210 to 245 in a year (stressful time, no sleep, graduate college)
>noticed 5 weeks ago my dick erect has shrunk from 7 and 1/4 to 6 and 1/4th
>ive cut so far down to 229
>my dick is still at a smaller size

>During that year I also masturbated like 10 times a week even when I got girlfriend just to de-stress

Does this sound like low T? Ive been cutting and doing high intensity muscle workouts but no changes, still emotionally down about it.

Im concerned that it may be high bloodpressure/bad circulation, or even worse, diabetes

I put on weight last winter, and noticed that my libido was shit, and no hard erections, now i m at 18% bf and my dick is getting harder for each day.
Drop some weight and it should be fine

glad for you mate, keep up the good work.
today is a vacation day so I have time to read all the info in the thread. I'm hoping I can drop another 10 in september, its been effecting my relationship

Thanks, I hope it works out for you, the way my weight-loss have effected my relationship is that my gf cant keep up with my libido.
The only things I really changed was
>sleep 7-8h a night.
>No sugar what so ever.
>cut fat
>lifting 4 times a week (5/3/1 bbb)

T. Labcorp
They keep redefining normal to silence the topic. Youbg people who aren't wearing an aromatase factory are healthy at senior citizen levels of T? Trump is like 450 on his lab as an obese senior that doesn't exercise and eats KFC. And folks with lower test are healthy?

...

Ignoring how stupid your picture is (Hurr rabbits have unlimited food) you do realize in terms of evolution rabbits are a far better species than wolves, right? For that matter Ants are better than both by a light year.

>Each ant completely fulfills it's role in society
>Ant always works towards the collective and there is no competition in ant society
>Ants will commit suicide if they are remotely in danger of bringing harm to the colony
>Ants are one of the most fit species in existence and will fight animals over 10 times their size, holding them down by the legs as other ants rip their throats out
>Ants will also sometimes assimilate other colonies into theirs almost completely transitioning power peacefully by murdering a single ant (enemy queen) or doubling down on queens

Ants are literally superior to shitty wolves and rabbits in every way.

Would be interesting to have the same data for teens and young adults, since testosterone doesn´t play the same role in body development after you´re fully grown.

>Have you noticed how weak and fragile do modern teens look compared to 30 years ago?

First thing I noticed starting university last year is that, aside from a handful of exceptions, 90% of all guys there still look like scrawny 15-year-olds.

much thanks, i will look into bbb, havent tried it b4

Oh I see, you're a scientifically and mathematically illiterate nutcase who is insecure about your illiteracy, so you make up conspiracies to make yourself feel like you actually know something. Please go read a middle school math textbook before posting again.

Nobody is "redefining normal". Your pic sounds to me like a medical institution that redefined a medical parameter to make it more medically and mathematically accurate for whatever they were using that parameter for. That's literally what science is: you update it over time as you gain a more accurate understanding of the topic you're researching.

The first interval on the left is based on "lean" men's test levels, the interval on the left includes fatasses with a BMI of up to fucking 30. No shit the minimum and maximum of the ranges dropped with all those fatties in there. What are those intervals being used for? Because it sounds to me like they're just descriptors for the general populations test levels, which would make them accurate.

>Youbg people who aren't wearing an aromatase factory are healthy at senior citizen levels of T?

When did anyone say that a young man with the test levels of an old man was healthy? That is literally not what anyone in this thread has proposed, nor is it what we have been talking about.

Congratulations junior, you downloaded a picture and then later uploaded it to Veeky Forums. Do you think that maybe at some point you should have learned how to actually interpret the picture that you're trying (and failing) to prove a point with?

Total test levels went down with time, yes. Did your tiny little pea brain happen to notice that my comment that you're responding to explains why that happened? Hint: it's not because of a conspiracy or chemicals in the water. It's because of lifestyle changes.

Yes, I'm sure that's so much different than how college campuses looked 30, 40, or 50 years ago. Anecdotal pseudo-science, everyone.

>all studies were only done with soy protein
so yeah vegans are retards
can you """disprove""" the rest, you ebin science """man"""?

The gubbmint is unironically after your T. Shifting the Gaussian curve will permit fewer peoples from being rightfully prescribed TRT, which the left ward tail end of the new interval qualify as.

Is that picture from the avicci music video

I know that label

>poorfag detected

Fucking lost

holy shit you're retarded
it wouldn't surprise me from a teenagers who wants to win internet arguments
You made a huge amounts of false assumptions in every single reply of yours and looked like the idiot you are, and then replied again with more stupidity. If you care about yourself (I doubt you do), stop trying to look like an intellectual, because you're doing the exact opposite.
Also you can't even argue, all you do is to talk two lines abou science, without citations, and then start insulting like an inmature boy, thinking it makes you look smart

The "gubbmint" isn't shifting anything you fucking imbecile. Jargon dropping the word "Gaussian" and simplistically referencing the tail end of a bell curve doesn't make your conspiracy theory right.

The curve has skewed leftwards, no one is arguing that. What is being argued is *why* the curve has skewed, and there are plenty of actual, scientific reasons for why that has happened. "Water supplies" and "estrogen poisoning" are not among those reasons.