Is poverty the reason for the obesity crisis?

Is poverty the reason for the obesity crisis?

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>He thinks you can't lose weight eating only burgers
CICO nigg

>implying you get THAT burger for 1 dollar
>implying you need to eat salads to be healthy
>implying you can't buy an onion, tomato, pepper, and half dozen eggs for 4 dollars and feed 3 people a meal

/thread

nothing = $0
t. socialist

>eggs
Eggs aren't healthy at all though.

This, I eat 1-2 double hamburgers from McDonalds 5 days a week on work break, currently 165(was 220 6 years ago, i don't have good genetics for ez bod).

Just dont eat the fucking fries, sodas and shakes with 900-1200 empty calories

>i don't have good genetics
>I eat 1-2 double hamburgers from McDonalds 5 days a week
>i don't have good genetics

Oh yes, 'because x isn't healthy it can't mean it could be a cheaper and better choice than the even more awful y, therefore i just just eat y and get fat anyways'

Yes. Getting pic related for a few bucks is way cheaper and easier than planning and preparing healthy food.

Actually it is.
>be poor baby in poor environment
>on shitty diet as a kid so you become a brainlet
>brainlet gets shitty poor education so he gets a shitty job or becomes a criminal
>shitty jobs are soul crushing and monotone with long hours
>after 10+ hours of shitty job, brainlet only wants to eat and sleep and doesn't want to spend time cooking and managing expenses (nobody taught him this anyways so he probably isn't even aware of this being a possibility)
>one of the very few pleasures he can experience is eating shitty food and maybe smoke weed
>weed makes the brainlet's brain even smaller and more retarded
>brainlet is now 35 with 15+ years of doing the same shit all day every day with a fucked up body and brain
>brainlet spawns 3 children who follow his path apart from the very few who get out of the cycle, leave town and become happier and better

I don't get Veeky Forums's hate on weed. It's way healthier than the advocated alcohol.

Not him but It's completely possible.

Hell he could eat three a day if his goal was staying under 1200 calories.

Bullshit answer. Good job at avoiding an attempt to answer why salads are so expensive.

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Salads are worth whatever the market is willing to pay for it

>Dietary Guidelines for Americans has made many, many, many contradictions over the past years

but THIS TIME is just has to be correct, right?

>he believes in academia
lol

Maybe in America. In the UK you're looking at double that. I know my parents would rather bulk out 90% of our meals with cheap flour based/frozen foods, white rice, pasta, bread, potatoes etc and give us the tiniest amount of lean protein (growing up I might not even get a whole chicken drumstrick/leg) because meat and perishable fruit beg are expensive. Processed foods are cheap and last forever because they're practically not even food anymore.

Does he really have to 'explain' it to you?
Preference for healthy food goes up with economic status, so healthy options cost more.
No loss of sale to poor people that can't afford it, since they wouldn't want it in the first place, and more gain from the sale to the slightly richer people that buy them.

Being that there are more direct studies on the subject now, I would say they are more correct than in the past.

>more correct

Yay, the probability of them being right went up by 1%! Better start eating all those foods that apparently caused cancer a few years ago!

I love how retards still bring this up even though it was redacted and never made it into the recommendations. There is a strong consensus across all guidelines that dietary cholesterol increases blood cholesterol, it just happens to be the case that this effect is overall less relevant than the effect of saturated fat, so it is not the most important thing to focus on unless you eat 10 eggs a day.

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You do know how science works right?
Why would you base your idea that "Dietary cholesterol= Bad" off of scientific studies, but then willfully ignore "Dietary cholesterol= Good" from newer more detailed scientific studies?
Is it because it doesn't fit your preconceived notions, or because it doesn't fit your narrative?

What are you doing? And that statement is already retarded to begin with; "does not translate in into high blood cholesterol", no, but it translates into INCREASED LDL cholesterol. Most people consume 300-500 mg C a day, cutting that to 100-300 has a smaller effect for most people than cutting satfat to 6-7%

Fuck off vegan shill eggs are one of the most nutritionaly dense foods on the planet .

Somewhat, because lower class people are disproportionately more obese than those who are middle or upper class.

t. lived next to a poor Indian reservation where everyone's a fucking whale.

>suppversity.blogspot.ca/2012/02/eat-whole-eggs-all-day-and-throw-your.html
>If you do yet take a look at the actual effects the natural cholesterol from the egg-containing diets had on the blood lipids of the rodents (cf figure 3), you will notice that those were statistically non-existent. In other words, only the lard + synthetic cholesterol diet had a statistically significant negative impact on the plasma lipids of the rats.
>The 375x higher dietary cholesterol intake in the egg-groups, on the other hand, did not only shut down the endogenous cholesterol synthesis, as evidenced by the reduction in hydroxymethylglutaryl CoA reductase expression (HMG-CoA R, cf. figure 4) and increase its metabolization into bile acid via cholesterol 7a -hydroxylase (CYP71A), it also increased the LDL receptor expression in the liver (lack of LDL-r expression in the brain is associated with increased plaque formation in Alzheimer's, cf. Katsouri. 2011), lowered the formation and storage of cholesterol esterified cholesterol in the tissue by reducing acyl-CoA:cholesterol acyltransferase (ACAT) and increased the maturation of HDL and peripheral tissue cholesterol efflux via increased lecithin cholesterol acyltransferase (LCAT) expression.

I never seen a burger for $1.
Also making your own food is cheaper.

Eggs, Milk, Oats, Chicken, Rice. That shit is not expensive.

Yes.
Poverty leads to low standard of education, and a tendency to seek scapegoats for their situation.
These combined lead to people having no idea how to eat healthy, and blaming their obesity on anything other than themselves.

>poverty
>can literally eat yourself to death

lmfao

fuck off m8y, in UK eggs, milk, chicken breast etc is cheap as fuck, so are a variety of fruits, frozen veg, regular veg (especially onions, potatoes etc)

if you "can't afford a whole chicken drumstick" with your meal, which is 100% possible even on benefits, then your parents are just wasting money on drink, drugs, gambling or other bullshit

Fucking sick of this bullshit argument

could you explain what this means in layman's terms please?

No, it's hundreds of millions of dollars going into advertising fast/unhealthy food each year. Modern adverts don't just inform you a product exists, they're well-honed psychological propaganda campaigns, expertly crafted to bypass your rational decision-making process and sway you into buying their product. Approximately 75% of the US economy is based on consumerism, as opposed to filling a need that existed before PR campaigns. No wonder everybody's so fat.

Incase you're having a hard time understanding
>Eggs decrease chances of developing Alzheimers
>They also reduce your bodies cholesterol stores

This

>eggs
>literally has all the nutrients required to nurture a chicken foetus until it can survive unassisted
>unhealthy

>all those burgers raging at "europoors" are apparently too poor to afford food
mmh sounds about right

Great, thanks a lot! Very interesting result

pretty sure if i make a salad it won't cost anywhere near what a burger costs

fucking excuse making fat cunts

Nice rat study

Too bad dietary cholesterol increases LDL cholesterol in humans, and this is agreed upon by the USDA, EFSA and WHO, as well as various European governments. Although that debate was already over in the 90s, recent meta-analyses still found the same results - 100mg cholesterol = ~+2 mg/dl LDL-C on average, but with high variability, and a greater effect for lower baseline cholesterol

as a euro fag here, can somebody please answer OPs question?

it was already said that you can make cheaper salad yourself (how much for what cost?)
and that you won't get such burger for one $1
(+ nothing = $0)

but i'm still curious about the prices
how bad is the price differences between healthy/junk food in a regular store?
(not discussing fast food, where healthy = different customer profile)

Not so much poverty as a misplaced sense of trust. People are told x is healthy and y is unhealthy by authority figures . They WANT to be healthy and try to do as they're told . The board later gets sacked for corruption/incompetence. Then they are told that y was actually healthy and x was unhealthy . This repeats for a couple generations all the while straying farther and farther from the diet that they ate when they were closer to being "healthy"

We already debunked before that piece of shit picture you posted and I'd be glad you stopped posting it.

It basically boils down to:
1) You're trying to buy a salad IN A FAST FOOD CHAIN. It's just normal the price will be higher.
2) The burger in the picture like hell is gonna be one of these $1 ones. Fake news, it's at least the triple of that.
3) Doing a salad at home is way way cheaper than that, with seven dollars you can make a salad for many days, at cents per ration.
4) YOU DON'T HAVE TO EAT OUT EVERY FUCKING DAY. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EXPENSIVE THAT WAY.

This picture is made by the typical fattie that has never really made any effort to actually look up how much actually healthy food costs.

Fuck off you can buy basic salad ingredients (lettuce, veggies, beans, dressing) for roughly 6 dollars and that'll make you like 4+ salads. If you have chicken laying around in bulk (which you should have anyway), you can add that in as well.

chicken can get pricey, lean cuts of pork would be a cheaper alternative.
Or cut eating meat most days and eat lentils (or generally legumes) instead

edgy

As a European I Always thought this was bullshit until I visited the states.

I really had a hard time finding healthy food, and often when I did it was more expensive than fast food which was Always close and available in high abundance.

Even though I loved my visit to the states, the thing I missed the most was decent food, the burgers were okay but the rest was just terrible.

I would say unhealthy food being available in much higher abundance and being cheaper is definately part of the problem.

Poor and impulsive people will almost Always choose fast food in such a situation and that's a very large part of the population

yet true.

Chicken is as cheap as crisps in America and potatoes are a dollar a sack . Use that as a baseline .

yeah I genuinely envy americunts for their chicken (breast) prices

Depends heavily on region. Out of curiosity what do you consider a healthy meal when out ?

Lets have a look at this, using cheap stores like aldi and not being a moron who insists on organic premium
>4 quarter pounder beef burgers, £1.99
>4 wholemeal seeded buns. £1.05 - could be half the price if you went with normal baps but hey ho
>single beef tomato for £0.45, can easily do 4 toppings with that
>lettuce £0.50
>pre sliced mature cheddar £1.35
>£5.34, £1.30, 4 meals, not including cooking oil if you so choose, that'd boost it by another £1 or so

I can't see everything in that salad so best guess
>lettuce £0.50
>cucumber £0.50
>20 cherry tomatos £0.71
>3 red onions £0.75
>sweetcorn, tinned, £0.30 for 160g
>assuming you're a fancy cunt and want some rocket, 120g for £1.50
>£4.20, 4 meals £1.05, you can probably get at least half again as many from the same amount of ingredients though this isn't looking at calorific value, only making a bowl like pic related.

>it's expensive to eat healthy
it really isn't

1) Name one place where a salad costs a dollar, oh wait you can't.
2)The image is obviously just a stock burger image you autistic fuck, they are not talking about that one specific kind of burger.
3)Doing shit at home almost always will be cheaper, that's not the point tho since we are not talking about the cost of ingredients in bulk but a prepared product. Also, you are not considering the time you spend making it (unless your time is not worth anything), the utensils, etc.
4)>1$-7$ is expensive. Just lol.

This response was made by the typical fresh out of rebblit contrarian who wants to be an edgy special snowflake while at the same time is ignorant of his own retardedness.

1kg of tomatoes 20kr
1kg of onions 10kr
1kg of pasta 10kr
1kg of chicken breast 60kr

100kr/10€ and a big mac with everything is like 8€.

people are just lazy

Great, how about you cite a few actual studies and explain them to show you grasp the information contained.
I'd love to have some real discussion on the subject.
>Too bad dietary cholesterol increases LDL cholesterol in humans
Source? Eggs have shown in increase the LDL receptors in the liver which causes a decrease in the LDL cholesterol deposited into our blood stream.

>Why are you making food so delicious and cheap stop it

>kr
What kind of moon currency is this?

that middle picture would be like $50 in canada if not $75

This is from the dietary report of the Guidelines Advisory Committee. They received a lawsuit because their members had financial connections to the egg industry.

businessinsider.com/usda-sued-over-new-dietary-guidelines-2016-1

The final dietary guidelines did not include the decision to remove warnings about cholesterol. In fact they got more strict by telling people to not just limit cholesterol to under 300mg/day, but to "eat as little as possible"

choosemyplate.gov/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines-answers-your-questions

Seasonal, transportation, storage and subsidization issues. There's billions of dollars in subsidiaries going to corn and soy which directly supports the production of meat and dairy product meanwhile fruit and vegetable farmes get maybe around 1% of that.

Most of the problems with obesity among poor people are more lack of time to eat or do anything. Working 60+ hours a week leaves you with literally zero time to actually make anything. Especially if you have a bunch of niglets to feed already

I find junk food to be way more expensive than healthier food in terms of what you get, at least in California. 10lb sack of potatoes is 3-5 dollars, sack of chicken breast at costco is 25 dollars for 50 servings (20 dollars at supermarket for like 18 servings). Can of oats is only like 6 dollars that last like a solid month. Eggs are very cheap, so most of the expense in my diet goes towards frozen vegetables which are usually 5-8 dollars per pack

Most junk food items have smaller amount of servings for same price or higher often

fatties would still rather buy 7 burgers than a single salad

I don't know about other cities but here being poor isn't an excuse
>Food bank provides quality food
>Farmers markets have discounts for people living on government assistance
>Whole foods store has discount program for poor people and cheap staples
>Local farmers give away produce pretty frequently
>Utility companies give yuge discounts for people on assistance or with low income
>Good nutrition is really not that fucking expensive in general

I've given up trying to figure out what the deal is, I think these people just need mental assistance along with their gubmint bucks.

>less than 6 dollars for a whole chicken
Jesus, food prices are really low in the US.

>eggs
>generally speaking is what keeps embryos alive and nourished if not developing inside womb
>alive
>unhealthy

>1) Name one place where a salad costs a dollar, oh wait you can't.
>2)The image is obviously just a stock burger image you autistic fuck, they are not talking about that one specific kind of burger.

The dollar salad is right there in the pic though , its between the buns. The whole point of lettuce in a sandwich is to have your side salad and entree in one portable format .

how!?

Swedish/Norwegian

I used to work at a Baskin Robins. A large shake costed $7.27 and we made sure to charge for everything else added to it: extra ice cream, whipped cream, extra Oreo pieces. You don't spend just a few bucks at BR.

What does a fat native woman look like?

Fuck off, veggie cuck.

When I haven't cooked food I buy a whole roasted chicken for like 7 Euros.
I buy prepackaged salads which cost me about 3 Euros and they've got like 3 servings in the bag so for like 10 Euros I can eat lunch 3 days
If you take the skin off, roasted chicken is pretty healthy.

Eating out is a waste of money.

>What does a fat native woman look like?

The same as every other native woman

I can literally get a 100g serving of porridge oats for 7p from my local Morrisons. Also:

>implying the type of food you eat is what makes you fat, not the amount.

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Went shopping yesterday
>pound of dry beans for $1.50
>12oz chopped frozen greens for $1 each
>organic carrots and sweet potatoes $1 a pound
>24oz oats for $2
>dried currants and raisins $2.99 a pound

The most expensive thing I got were walnuts, something like 9 bucks a pound and I got half a pound. If you buy the raw ingredients and cook the food yourself and don't buy "health food" brands with huge price mark-ups, eating healthy is cheap, if not the cheapest option.

>as little
For keeping saturated fat in check.. Maximizing egg consumption to 100% SF is >12 large eggs.

Are you a chicken embryo?

Have you given one the fucc?

No but we are also not Avocados yet consuming their flesh seems to be universally considered healthy

how bad is mc donalds really? is it just not enough that could be even'd out with healthy food mixed over a day or is it plain bad/unhealthy.
im bulking and the option is always there for a quick cheesburger or even bigmac. for the rest of the day i would eat clean and healthy.

Because there's science showing that avocados are good for us. Nobody argues avocados are good because "avocado flesh nourishes the seed." It doesn't work as an argument for eggs being good.

Honestly you gotta have your head in your ass to not be able to put together a meal that is just a cheap as fast food (which isn't even cheap where I am, a fucking meal at mcdonalds is gonna run you 12$) and miles healthier. Things that are dirt cheap and "healthy" in a balanced diet.

>potatoes
>rice
>meat (at least where I am at you can get decent cuts on special for a little over 1$/lb)
>eggs
>corn
>lentils
>most wheat products

Seriously, at least where I'm from it's more expensive to buy processed shite, is it really any different anywhere else? The only reason to ever buy processed junk is to save cooking time, otherwise its cheap to buy and even cheaper to grow your own food if you've got some space to work with.

Dietary cholesterol itself is recommended to limit, which is one of the reasons why even lean meat is restricted to 6oz or less a day. Even when it comes to saturated fat, the goal set by the american heart association is 5% or less of calories. Based on a 2000 calorie diet, that would be about 11g of saturated fat. A large egg contains about 2g of saturated fat. Eating 6 eggs would put you over your saturated fat limit even if for the rest of the day you ate like a strict low-fat vegan.

health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015/resources/2015-2020_Dietary_Guidelines.pdf

>AHA
>takes money from monsanto (soy/grains/vegetableoil crops) and every other big grain producer
>Actually being an authority on anything but funneling money and forming public opinion.

How come in around 50% of heart attack victims their ldl levels are normal to low, and total cholesterol is also normal to low. Can you actually show me somewhere than proves an actual solid correlation to major heart events or all cause mortality and high total cholesterol ?

"As recommended by the IOM,
[24] individuals should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible while consuming a healthy eating pattern."

The IOM says explicitly that dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol and has no known safe intake level.

nap.edu/read/10490/chapter/11

AHA takes money from lots of different companies, including animal agriculture industry and vegetable oil companies. So that point is kind of retarded, especially considering that the AHA recommendations are largely identical to the recommendations made by similar organizations all around the planet, from Japan to Iceland and Brazil

It`s a red herring , there`s a reason that faggot spurlock won`t release his food diary .

>How come in around 50% of heart attack victims their ldl levels are normal to low, and total cholesterol is also normal to low.

You talking about this?

newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/majority-of-hospitalized-heart-75668

Probably because what's accepted as "normal LDL" is 2-3x higher than what would be natural

>We found that less than 2 percent of heart attack patients had both ideal LDL and HDL cholesterol levels

Takeout will always be expensive

I pay 150 kr (19,30 dollars) for all my veggies for a week

>Veeky Forums's hate on weed
Nobody here unironically hates weed
>advocating alcohol
Nobody anywhere ever unironically advocates alcohol.

>growing up I might not even get a whole chicken drumstrick/leg
Frozen chicken legs are dirt cheap in the UK, either your parents are retarded or you're lying.

I really like the salads at Mcdonalds, but I really can't justify the price. Good thing a fillet o' fish or a mcchicken has around the same calories and is a third of the price.
But that being said, salads are way overpriced when they shouldn't be, they should cost less to make than the burgers. I'm seriously considering stopping buying the items from Mcdonalds that they make profit off (drinks, fries, etc) just out of spite.
Do any of their items cause losses or barely break even?

>Do any of their items cause losses or barely break even?
Are you serious right now?

A lot of products from low-grade shops put too much sugar in their stuff.
Most noticeably bread related products. Most Americans and Mexicans don't notice, so they get fat and overall have a higher risk of health issues.

It's cheaper to bake your own bread with yeast packets, flour, olive oil and water