Do women only do this when they are trying to send you signs or is it out of habit?

Yeah, it's really top secret info

>women making the first move
desperate fatso uggos maybe

There is one thing to know 100% if somebody (male or female) is attracted to you, without fail

Eye contact

you should be staring her down hard enough that it's obvious if she likes the way your face looks. if you can't tell after 10 seconds of unbroken eye contact then you are legitimately autistic and should avoid women.

>Eye contact
Explain. It's awkward as fuck for me so I always look away. It's the fucking worst when you're glancing around the room and you make eye contact with that ugly chick

Hair flip is usually to get it out of their face.

When they start touching you when they don't have to is a pretty good sign. A hand on the arm. a hand on your shoulder or back. That kind of thing.

depends if you are attractive they will do it trying to get your attention
if you are ugly, you are invisible and they are unconsciously doing it because they are thinking about chad

>When they start touching you when they don't have to is a pretty good sign. A hand on the arm. a hand on your shoulder or back. That kind of thing.
Damn I once were with a friend of my older sister (she was giving me chemistry lessons) and we started talking about exercise, she did pole dancing or something, she said she gained some muscle from it so I started touching her arms and I did it for several seconds. I always wonder if she liked it or wasn't anything sexual

If a girl looks more than 3 times at you, smiles, then go fucking talk to her. It's rare af for a girl to approach and needs the right liquor courage for that shit to happen. Man up and attack desu

man you are one sad dude

As a guy with long hair, it's not just a signal. I play with my hair all the time.

if she makes eye contact with you while fingering herself and thrusting her hips and making grunting noises directed at you then it's safe to say she's probably convulsing from some sort of drug overdose. tl;dr - there's no way she'd be doing this to intimate interest in you. i mean have you even looked at yourself in the mirror? lol

What if they just stare and don't smile? Am I some kind of circus freak if they want to keep staring? Shit happens all the time and pretty much all of them don't smile except for a couple

no im attractive :D

>do women only do this when they are trying to send you signs or is it out of habit?
i think it's subconscious flirtation but they spend so much time attempting to attract mates it turns into habit. i'm sure it's flirting though i find it fucking irritating.

>34
>several gfs
>women approaching him
don't take this user's advice he's a loser

Quit letting your self-conscious get the best of you. Girls are weird as shit. Just approach and see where it goes. He who hesitates, masturbates.

do you smile?

i think this to myself sometimes
however, if they see you have spotted them looking, its true shy ones may look away, but if they thought you were creepy or ugly they would not continue looking... they would avoid avoid avoid, unless they were going to be hostile

Dude I'm legitimately socially retarded. How do i even approach a girl? Just walking up and saying hi seems retarded. Anyways i can't carry a conversation with anyone in person even if my life depended on it

No, am I supposed to? Seems kinda dumb to desu
But what if they were just trying to figure out why I look so weird/ugly so they just kept staring? Seems plausible imo

>Anyways i can't carry a conversation with anyone in person even if my life depended on it
you have to be able to do that. get a retail job.

>But what if they were just trying to figure out why I look so weird/ugly so they just kept staring? Seems plausible imo
duno what to tell you, it sucks but sometimes you gotta take a chance.

Start conversations with literally anyone. Shoot the shit, make a joke. Just don't fixate on fucking her right then and there. Be smooth and don't think of the negatives or that will be spaghetti fucking city

How would getting a retail job help? I understand you have to speak to people alot but one of the job requirements would be that you have to be good with people, would it not?
I can't even carry conversations with male friends I've known for a while, much less some random person I've just met. I'll try it, but my social skills are terrible and spaghetti WILL spill sooner or later

I was at this girl's place just hanging out alone with her and she literally would not stop doing the hair flare shit with her hands over like a whole hour. but i 100% for a fact know she's not into me at all (and desu i'm barely into her at all, not really)

so it doesn't always mean the girl wants to fck 100% of the time guys. sometimes yeah, just depends

why would she hang out with you alone if she's not into you?
are you that unfuckable?
insults aside im genuinely curious how you are so certain.
you're not into her so you don't even care?

Lmao dude how old are you

that last part is true, but it's just some complicated details. but trust me when i say i know she's not into me. the point of my post was for others to realize just cause a girl does that once while they're talking to you or something doesn't mean she immediately wants to fuck or something. don't get ahead of yourselves based off a girl touching her hair one time or something

would you fuck a woman below your standards if she was in your house and you were alone and you thought not much more would come of it?
because a lot of guys would.
surely some women would...

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>No, am I supposed to? Seems kinda dumb to desu
i might try it if i were you. i smile at just about everyone i make eye contact with regardless of my intentions.

post before was saying the dude was at some chicks house alone. she's playing with her hair for ages, but she's soooo not into him.
im saying if the situation is right some people are willing to fuck those they wouldn't go out of their way for.
logistics

>I understand you have to speak to people alot but one of the job requirements would be that you have to be good with people, would it not?
i spilled my spaghetti just about every day for a year before i got the hang of it. maybe try food service instead. having a job like that helped me more with my social skills than five years of college did.

I worked at a burger king for 2 years when I was 16 lol
I'll try it but I have a terrible smile and it just makes me look worst. Some People think I'm having a stroke when I try to smile

nah m8 she was giving you signals that she was "bored" or something like that. when a woman shows irritation it's usually because you're not showing them attention the way they want you to be. she would have played it off had you gotten up and left but she wanted the d senpai.

Bullshit, heres some.
>eyelash flutters
>staring
>nervous and smiley when you talk to them

When you already know her already
>pushes her boobs out toward you
>asks to feel your muscles
>bumps her boobs into you
34 yet doesn't know basic flirting from age 15.

maybe you're just too young then. i couldn't talk to anyone until i was 25 but my social game turned around really quick.

>attention the way they want you to be

this is an important point. not all attention is the same. there's different ways to show it and different types of attention. probably something to keep in mind for all of the guys wanting advice in this thread

Should I just give up? When I say I'm socially retarded I really mean it. Like I majority if time I don't interpret what they're saying until they explain to me in full detail like the retard I am, and when someone talks to me and I try to respond, I normally don't know how to respond and end up jumbling my words up, and up fucking up the pronunciation, and then I don't really know how to word shit so I normally stay away from social interactions

i hope you don't give up. you're articulate enough to explain your self perceived deficiencies. you are probably, as is customary for us here, underestimating your ability to communicate. it's hard work and still something i work on every chance i get. i had conversations with at least a dozen people i'd never met before today.

and i'll add i was in your shoes no more than a year ago. now i'm being quoted for advice on women and am a legitimate leader to many people in my life.

Thanks man, I'll keep trying, especially when uni starts back up after harvey ends

markmanson.net/the-levels-of-eye-contact

Eh, it's no guarentee. My best mates cousin used to act like she was interested, and duck out of any attempts at actually taking it anywhere. She used to ask me to feel her arm and 'see how soft the skin is' or show me how flexable she was by bending back. Sit next to me at gatherings. That sort of shit. Asked her out three or four seperate times over a year or so, the last few actually using the word date so there would be no confusion, but it always just ended up with friendly nights out and a little teasing.

It might have been differing life goals that held her back, and I know she had low self esteem. I'm looking for a partner, and I'm a little older than here, and she was just looking forwards to uni.

What I'm saying is just because she is clearly into you in some way, it doesn't mean you'll get anywhere even if you are confident. Sometimes life uh uh... doesn't find a way, and it just isn't convenient.

There's no true formula for figuring it out, but some basic signs. I assume you mean at the gym, if you can notice them looking at you more than usual it could be a start. A clear sign is having her workout in your "personal space", like fucking close, catch her eyes admiring you in the mirror, hook line and sinker son you're in. 95% of the time this doesn't happen, I've had it once blatantly but I had a girlfriend so didn't act on it.

If I catch a girl eyeing me 4+ times in a workout then i assume it's not just a coincidence. The next time you know she is looking just calmly but unpredictably move your eyes to hers, look her dead in the eyes and don't look away. If she looks away immediately it's a +1 for you, caught you mirin. If she locks eye contact for 2-3 seconds go for an optional very minute smile, so low key it will leave her wondering "fuck did he give me a little bit or was I imagining". Boom, this bitch is thinking about you, if she smiled back BOOM you're reallly in.

Next thing to consider is are you actually decent looking. If you are fat or painfully average I'm sorry to say you probably aren't getting admired. In my experience if a girl is admiring you she literally won't be able to keep her eyes off you, it's actually like she can't help herself.

I've been approached several times while at the club by women telling me I'm cute or handsome, my last girlfriend left her number on my car at the gym so I'm not speaking out my ass. I'm 5'9 and 21, good facial structure but I'm no chad or Slayer. Find your look, refine it, master hygiene, dress solid and love yourself. When you love yourself and are confident women can smell it on you and you have an "aura" that draws in people. Don't be a creep locking eyes with every women who looks at you twice, be humble and only strike when certain.

Bro, I'm going to humiliate myself for your sake here. I was the most socially fucked up kid imaginable. I was bullied (and I mean one kid starts, and the entire fucking class follows, until my name was known around the entire school) from starting primary school (6) to mid-high school (15) across around four different schools. It got so bad I basically became a hermit and self educated, by making myself a prickly shut-in who to this day feels nervous about picking up the phone. I even feigned a stomach issue (or at least exaggerated stress cramps) to the point I was willing to have enemas, blood test, and stays in the creepy child wing at the hospital to avoid school.

In my teens, I was just the sensitive but quiet gentle giant, but I acted hostile and pushed people away, because I was fucking terrified about socialising at that point. Awkward as fuck too. I would say stupid shit, like at a camp out once, I repeatedly asked a guy who was cooking to spoon me (I was asking him to pass me a spoon) and only afterwards realised how it sounds. I would say shit like that all the time, and only afterwards cringe myself half to a panic attack.

In my late teens to mid twenties, I was a NEET because of this, and gained weight steadily til I was 230ish.

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Over the years I had around five chances at a relationship. The first, after our first kiss, I faked being sleepy in a dirty bath robe when she next visited to scare her off. The next I just lost interest after kissing. The one after we got to the point of me and her (mostly) naked on an air bed, when all the lust sort of drained away, and I noted how rough her hand felt on my cock (spit/lube bitch, or even use the pre) and then we sort of awkwardly went to sleep. Another I knew was into me somewhat, and instead I showed interest in another girl who wasn't into me, while she was right there. The latest I actually travelled a few hundred miles to see, had a good time, and then when she started talking about seeing me more often and even paying to come up a few times a week I actually had a fucking full blown panic attack and went on to sabotage so hard she noted in a final text I had shattered her.

Then, I sort of 'woke'. I had some nasty shit happen in my life. After that, I stopped focusing on me, and started doing some volunteer work. This alone, dealing with people and realising they weren't assholes and some just genuniely nice (and many older folks incredibly lonely), raised my confidence and social skills massively.

It also made me gain some self esteem. I was needed. I had purpose and value in this context. It made me wonder if there was more to life, and that I really needed to get my shit in order. I've gained skill in a trade where I can work for myself. I've made myself start going out more. Started being more responsable with money. And, of course, starting getting Veeky Forums.

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you're gay right.

More relevant, despite all the social retardation above, I actually started asking girls out and showing clear interest in dating them. (Before realising I have nothing to offer, so holding off until I'm at least earning a decent living.) The first time? I was shaking for hours before and after asking someone out. It didn't go anywhere, but it showed I wasn't going to drop dead or even fuck up, because it's really, really simple. Be pleasant, take your time so you don't rush your words, open with something normal and friendly, and then just before you leave them casually (even if you are anything but casual inside) ask if they want to go out for a drink or something to eat sometime. Bam.

If they say no, then never mind, you can flee and it was nothing important. Life goes on. If they agree, and one will eventually, it's a massive confidence boost that makes the next time far easier. And all this is from the 230ish guy. If I could do it then, we can all do it after losing a few pounds and building a little.

Its nice to know your story had a happy ending, anyways how is your body progress going since u saidbu were getting Veeky Forums? And you said you were gonna "humiliate yourself" but don't worry dude, were all anonymous (except this damned tripfags) here so it's practically impossible to humiliate yourself here

Practice makes perfect. I'm a nurse and have to talk with my patients literally all day, different people every day, some literally crazy.

Now im at the point where I just walk into rooms amd say hi to the frequent fliers and talk about random shit. If I know their day sucks, or if they're demented and scared, I let my smartassy, autistic humor come out. Sometimes the jokes are completely inappropriate but idgaf, they all end up liking me.

My role model for talking to people is the smiley, niave, talkative middle aged housewife character from Homebound. She's the main characters embarrasing mom or something. In a roundabout way shes got bigger balls than her punk daughter, because shes not afraid of people. She drones on about stupid shit, but most random conversations are very superficial and that's all u need.

you can never know because some girls are really shy while some girls are just flirty and nice with everyone. last time i went out the girl who was way out of my league was rubbing his leg against mine was genuinely nice towards me. but she was way out my league so she was just being nice

I got up to 245ish pounds, and have made it to 220ish since starting a short while back. I'm currently wearing one of my older XX-L t-shirts because it's an amazing feeling to see it become ever more like a fucking tent around me. And also good motivation to keep going.

My shoulders fucked me up when it came to realising how big I was getting. They are broad so it only became obvious I was obese when large shirts could no longer fully mask my growing stomach and tits.

I got this girl in work i think is interested , always looking for excuses to touch me , calls me every morning to ask me to meet her for coffee , texts me if i dont see her for a few days to tell me she misses me etc. But very little eye contact , she always looks away , specifically down and to her right. What could i read into that?

Standing in conversation, their feet are pointed at you

Sitting, legs crossed over with foot pointed at you and/or leg swinging in your direction

laughs and smiles a lot at you

grabs you by the cock and starts sucking

htrwbllifestyle.blogspot.ie/2013/07/how-to-read-womens-body-language-for.html

This is sad Op

"subtle indications of interest" are coping strategies from ugly puas

if a woman likes you she will let you know it quickly and in an obvious way

>what are other "signs" a girl is interested in you and wants to let you know?
When she doesn't mind that you don't have a rubber on hand

Don't analyse it. The next time you see her just ask her to get a drink with you after work.

if you tell a girl shitty jokes and she laughes at them she is into you or she is literally retarded, either way you can fuck her

I fucked this up once with a new girl in another department . Turns out she was a recovering alcoholic but really wanted my attention so she went out drinking with me anyway. Even though I didnt ram a funnel down her throat, 4 mixed drinks was enough for a relapse. She was fired a month or so later. She got arrested twice for drunk and disorderly and HR didn't wanna spill the beans since it happened behind closed doors but it's assumed she chewed out her department head for pulling her off to the side about her slipping work ethic. She's fun when she drinks though

Tfw I only get these smiles when passing strangers in public