Finally, it's all coming together now

Finally, it's all coming together now.

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Mine is a morgue in a garden

>IS YOUR REFRIGERATOR a COMPOST HEAP or a PASTURE?

i don't event eat meat but this kind of vegan rhetoric sure russels my jiminies

I freeze my meat, is that better?

both

>Finally, it's all coming together now.
VEGANISM IS A LIE.

What do vehicles with petroleum-burning engines, and anything electric have in common? They're all powered by FOSSIL FUELS, which come from dead animals. Vegans aren't allowed to own or use ANYTHING that came from an animal -- therefore any so-called 'vegan' that drives a vehicle or uses anything electric is CHEATING and is NOT VEGAN. They may as well stop kidding themselves and go eat a steak, they all FAIL.

So-called 'vegans' also suffer from progressive cognitive deficit due to chronic amino acid deficiencies from malnutrition. That's why vegancucks don't make sense, their brains don't work correctly anymore. People I've known who were vegan then gave it up and went back to eating animal products regularly showed positive changes in their personalities and started being able to think more clearly again.

Vegans brains are so addled that they think you can raise an INFANT as vegan and expect it to be healthy and develop properly -- which it will NOT. Any pediatrician will tell you that you should not feed a baby a strict vegetarian diet, it will sicken, fail to develop, fail to thrive, and ultimately DIE. Pediatricians who encounter parents who insist, against all professional medical advice, in feeding their infant a Vegan diet, are reported to the police and to Child Protective Services, because it is legally considered CHILD ABUSE. What does THAT tell you?

Face it, vegancucks: humans are OMNIVORES, even many vegans admit it, and your meme 'lifestyle' is anti-health, anti-HUMAN, and exists as a political statement more than anything else, erroneously placing dumb lower animals above humans, which is pants-on-head stupid.

More evidence that Veganism is a LIE and actually hurts humans in the long run:
Veganism DESTROYS the fitness of pro athletes
blog.bulletproof.com/carl-lewis-vegan/

why is that vegan rhetoric and not just no meat rhetoric

where did you get this bait copypasta from

The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this was the rotten cantaloupes in my crisper drawer.

both involve the killing of a living organism

Doesn't matter if I eat meat or vegetables. In the end it all turns to shit

But both are dead? It doesn't make sense. To be comparable it should be is your fridge a morgue or a compost heap or some shit?

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>KILL EM WENDY

How I eat:
>Monday: Lamb
>Tuesday: Beef
>Wednesday: Pork
>Thursday: Chicken
>Friday: Turkey
>Saturday: Fish
>Sunday: Dinner at Parents
No shame, I like meat.

>This

I'm not usually one to bite the bait, but the irony is truly special in this one. Fossil fuels are primarily from plant materials.

On one last note: veganism is about trying to reasonably avoid harming animals.

>B-b-but museum fossils are m-made out of...

May fall outside of reason.

Finally

The plants are just as dead as the animals though.

Fossil fuels do not come from animals, but mostly from algae biomass

>Eat raw plants

Oh wow I feel great

>Eat raw meat

I have worms and I can't stop puking

Really fires up the neurons.

Wendy, isn't that super harsh?

not an argument

Good job side stepping his point, retard.

I don't care if animals die.
I don't really care if humans die.
Everything dies.
I don't think we should eat humans because I see it as a risk for my own safety.
I don't give a fuck if a chicken suffers and dies.
I want to eat good tasting foods.

i'm eating an apple right now. is the apple dead?

>i choose to base my life around fear and decadence instead of ethics

Not what I said at all. Good job mate.
Are you the arbiter of decadence?
Decadence is eating only plants because you're so pussyfied by "morals".

So called ''vegans'' pretend that them not eating animal products makes up for all the animals they kill when they buy soy, sugar, paper, oil and plastic and any other products that directly kill animals as a result of habitat destruction.

wtf i hate meat now

lets not get bogged down in semantics now you cringing autist

>i have no understanding of ethics

>Eating pork
ABSOLUTELY HARMFUL TO YOUR HEALTH

>I don't use animal products because they harm animals, which is unethical
>But eating plants is fine, irrespective of the thousands of deaths caused by harvesting said plants
>And using products that wipe out entire rain forest populations of animals and humans alike is fine
Vegans, everybody. Either killing animals is fine or it isn't. Choose.

i refer you to

my fridge is empty because I eat powdered bullshit since I'm apparently smart enough to count calories but not nutrients, but since I threw in 16:8 intermittent fasting I feel kinda okay, also started drinking coffee and teas because I'm not allowed alcohol.

Why is the life of a plant worth less than the life of an animal?

>Dr,Axe

Nice source

>we can never minimize suffering to the point where it is nonexistent for every single living being to ever exist at any time
>therefore its okay to maximize suffering of whatever creature I like (cows, pigs, chickens)

hmm okay, Satan

whats the point of adding that picture? what does it mean? why did you choose that picture?

gives immunity against muslims

it's picture of hunger devouring me in my first days, you don't like pictures?

>I have no real argument so I type my straw man argument like this

yes, raw pork is very dangerous. luckily humans have found some sort of way to "cook" meat. I think that's the word.

>slitting the throat of an animal
>>>>>>>>>>maximise suffering
It is literally the fastest, most efficient way to kill an animal bar blowing their heads off with a 12 gauge.

thats way too deep to get from a picture.. I like pictures, but if they tasted good and had high nutritional value, i would kill and eat them.

>suffering = how you die
>one cannot suffer while living for years before dying

tl;dr
You're a faggot
Godspeed Wendy.

I just chose this pic because it's a pic and it's mostly correct.
Eat completely lean pork then, that's a lot safer.
Cooking something rid it of all toxins, if it did it would also get rid of beneficial nutrients.

Cooking something *doesn't rid it of all toxins ...

>Significantly limiting the capabilities of your body because muh animulhs
Name three (3) reasons why I should care

Where do vegans draw the line between life that's okay to eat and not okay to eat.

Plants are a form of life.
Do you only care about life that is similar to your own species?
All animals and plants share the same DNA which is basically a code of only 4 'letters' which code for the same amino acids from which all proteins are made.
The mechanism by which sugars are oxidised to release their energy (respiration) is almost universal.

It seems to me that you have some sort of bias of not eating something that is visually comparable to humans.

>Significantly limiting the capabilities of your body because muh animulhs
>Name three (3) reasons why I should care

>Significantly limiting your enjoyment of sex because muh rape victims
>Name three (3) reasons why I should care

>Yeah I'm immoral, so what? What's wrong with doing immoral things as long as I personally enjoy it?

This. Sad that all the mentally ill vegan retards are getting butthurt from facts!

Plants are not sentient.

it's about sentience. plants aren't sentient. some animals are probably also not sentient and many vegans would be okay eating those animals

Human beings have rights, animals don't. Therefore rape is immoral, but eating cheese and meat is not.
>according to MY moral standards you are IMMORAL!!!!!!!
Blow it out your ass

>Human beings have rights, animals don't. Therefore rape is immoral, but eating cheese and meat is not.
what do you mean by rights? are you talking about the law?

Animals aren't sentient the way humans are.

So, vegans have a problem with eating things that have nerves that fires electrical impulses to produce chemical reactions?

>Animals aren't sentient the way humans are.

Elaborate.

No, the complex agreements that make up modern society. Your right to free speech is my obligation to allow you to speak your mind freely with minimal interference, and vice-versa. Animals cannot shoulder obligations, therefore they cannot participate in rights.

the severely mentally retarded also cannot shoulder any obligations, is it ok to murder and eat them?

>Elaborate.

Animals aren't able to elaborate on things, like humans are.
In other words, they don't know shit about what's going on.
And if the only requirement is that they also have nerves that fire electrical impulses to produce chemical reactions, then if we were to breed animals that lacked the ability for nerves to fire electrical impulses, would it then be okay to eat those animals?

>Animals aren't sentient the way humans are.
Don't cows seek to avoid pain and suffering?

Which is why we prevent them from entering free society and institutionalise them so as to ensure they don't harm anyone or themselves. We limit their rights i.e. their rights to buy guns, their rights to free movement, liberty, privacy etc. We do the same to children too.
Their rights exist, but are limited and they are treated accordingly to those rights.

Its like how you know porn when you see it but its hard to describe what makes porn, porn. No animal will ever be tried for murder or theft or anything so there is definitely a line somewhere even if its hard to draw out

>You have to be able to speak and explain something using human language to be considered sentient.

Says who? Your made up definition that's convenient for you now? That's not the common understanding of the definition of sentience.

>Would vegans be okay with completely brainless meat grown in a jar

Yes, and it's already a thing.

>Don't cows seek to avoid pain and suffering?
Do anyone really have free will?
Aren't we all just chemical reactions?

I'm not saying animals should have the rights to buy guns, what are you talking about. I'm talking about the right to not be tortured and murdered needlessly.

Why the fuck do you keep making your own points to argue against?
There is a big difference between "meat grown in a jar" and an animal that just can't feel anything.
What if, get this, we were to breed animals, let them run in fields, safely from other predators, let them fuck and enjoy life with all feelings, then put a painless pill in their food which turns off their nerves, then kill and eat them?

>What if, get this, we were to breed animals, let them run in fields, safely from other predators, let them fuck and enjoy life with all feelings, then put a painless pill in their food which turns off their nerves, then kill and eat them?
Would you accept this treatment for yourself to be moral?

I'm not making up points to argue against, your argument is that you must be able to elaborate on an idea to be sentient. That isn't true. That's your made up definition that isn't what the definition of sentient is.

>then put a painless pill in their food which turns off their nerves, then kill and eat them?

Can I do that to you?

You mentioned the mentally disabled not me. They have diminished rights, and we treat them accordingly. Animals have no capacity to shoulder obligations, and as such they have no rights, and they are treated accordingly. They have been selectively bred for centuries to make them the most efficient supplies of milk, eggs and meat. To the point that not milking cows would cause significant pain and eventually death as they produce more milk than their calves can drink. Not consuming animal products would lead to the extinction of at least some animal species.

Fuck off, Mohammed

>Would you accept this treatment for yourself to be moral?
Sure, why not. Give and take. Yin yang.
We ensure the continuation of their species and we get some return for our investment.

Luckily your body can easily deal with those ''very scary'' toxins

>I'm okay with being killed and eaten

Now you're just being intellectually dishonest. Not surprising.

Why does it matter if an animal is sentient?
It's still not our species, they're not human.

TRICK QUESTION!
Full Organic Permaculture Garden is the way to go!

>mfw am not racist
>mfw don't get offended by dickwads calling me Mohammed
>Not knowing anything about the digestive system

Why does it matter that we're human? Does that tiny difference in dna and a bigger frontal lobe justify going from severe punishments for murder to actually celebrating murder?

Because you can easily apply the same logic and justify owning and murdering anyone based on successively smaller pools of individuals.

You're not my countryman, you're not from the same city as me, you may not be the same race as me, you're not in my immediate family so why should I care about you? It's called empathy. I just do care about you and I don't want you to suffer, I can't imagine being different.

If I were to make a deal with someone, that for instance I get 300 million dollars and after 50 years they could painlessly kill and eat me, then sure.
Animals aren't capable to give any sort of consent because their cognitive ability is not highly developed.
Comparing humans and animals is weird because we're different.

Is the vegan argument only "Animals are sentient"?
Like this means anything?
Why does it matter if they are sentient?
>Humans are sentient and animals are sentient, therefore we shouldn't eat animals!
What?

Does a lion ostracize another lion for eating an zebra?

Are you aspiring to be as smart and as ethical in life as a lion?

I LOVE YOU WENDY

>If I were to make a deal with someone, that for instance I get 300 million dollars and after 50 years they could painlessly kill and eat me, then sure

That's fine, but you get to make that choice. You're just assuming a cow would make the same choice you would.

>Animals aren't capable to give any sort of consent because their cognitive ability is not highly developed.

Is that a justification for killing and eating them? Because babies and mentally disabled people can't 'give consent' either. Therefore fair game? We can kill?

>Why does it matter that we're human?
Because it's our race and our biological purpose is to reproduce and ensure the continuation of our species.
>Does that tiny difference in dna and a bigger frontal lobe justify going from severe punishments for murder to actually celebrating murder?
I haven't seen anyone celebrating murder of animals.
If you watch ancient tribes that hunt down animals, they pray to "gods" and pay respects to the animal before they kill it.
I don't feel that is celebrating murder. Nor do I feel that some bored out of his mind slaughter house worker is celebrating killing animals.

>Because you can easily apply the same logic and justify owning and murdering anyone based on successively smaller pools of individuals.
Really?
So, you're afraid that the government is going to start killing and eating black people?

>You're not my countryman, you're not from the same city as me, you may not be the same race as me, you're not in my immediate family so why should I care about you? It's called empathy. I just do care about you and I don't want you to suffer, I can't imagine being different.
If I died tomorrow, and you somehow found out, you wouldn't give a shit.
Empathy is a trait that has survived evolution because it's beneficial for the survival of your species.

Why don't you go into a lions den with your empathy and see how many children you can father afterwards?
Survival of the fittest.
If your goal is to be the nicest and least intrusive organism on earth, then you're not going to survive.

Your choice to live in this consumeristic society that destroys habitats and pollutes the planet on a massive scale, utilising daily the basic yet destructive products that you spare no real consideration to as regards their creation, far outpaces any "ethical points" you gain from choosing not to consume animal products. You have no impact on the actual suffering of those animals if you haven't killed them yourself, either; whether or not you choose to buy chicken breasts at your local store is irrelevant. Those chickens will be killed regardless, and someone or something else will inevitably consume them. Your decision to use any products that actively pollute the environment is a far greater contributor to animal and human suffering than your decision to buy or not buy dead meat, products like your car and various other machines. If you want to be a vegan for personal health reasons, then fine; any pretensions of doing it for ethical reasons, though, is a short-sighted and hypocritical grasping for moral comfort and standing.

>I haven't seen anyone celebrating murder of animals.
Have you heard of hunting? Thanksgiving dinner? Random Veeky Forums posters proudly talking about how big a chunk of a corpse they just consumed?

>If I died tomorrow, and you somehow found out, you wouldn't give a shit.

If you died tomorrow and someone told me the very user I was talking to on Veeky Forums died I would be sad. What do you mean give a shit? Would I donate to your family to help bury you? Probably not. But if I had the power I would surely go back and stop you from dying.

>Survival of the fittest
>If 1 group of individuals has enough power to do whatever they want to another group, it's perfectly justified

ok then

>That's fine, but you get to make that choice. You're just assuming a cow would make the same choice you would.

Considering I am way more cognitive able than a cow, then yes, I can choose what I feel is better for that cow.
I can provide a safe and "happy" life for that cow for many years and ensure the continuation of their species, which is perhaps the most basic point of life.
They wouldn't survive in the wild, eventually.

>Is that a justification for killing and eating them? Because babies and mentally disabled people can't 'give consent' either. Therefore fair game? We can kill?
We know babies will evolve their cognitive abilities eventually, and we need babies for the continuation of our species.
Mentally disabled people.. let's not go there, it would take forever to discuss. I don't think we should kill mentally disabled people, but perhaps screening during pregnancy and abortion is what we need as a society eventually, with consent from the parents, etc.

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I would like to live as a lion

>You are not doing absolutely everything you can to end animal suffering, therefore you should stop doing even the little bit of good you're doing right now and start murdering even more animals needlessly.
Logic checks out

My fridge is mostly vegetables from my garden and eggs from my chickens, plus a bit of milk from a local dairy farm.
There's half an elk and 4 or 5 geese in my chest freezer though.
>Falling for the supermarket Jew when you can just go out and kill an animal yourself
It's a lot more personal, spiritual even. Except for the geese, I kill those because I hate them.

What are you doing on Veeky Forums? Lions don't use the internet.

nice b8

>Considering I am way more cognitive able than a cow, then yes, I can choose what I feel is better for that cow.
>I am smarter than someone/something therefore I get to control it's life / the circumstances of it's death

Well that's clearly wrong.

>I don't think we should kill mentally disabled people

Why not?